Civil War series discussion (spoilers)

How would you rate Civil War?

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Victor Von Doom said:
First of all...........In-N-Out burgers are the best fast food burgers in the WORLD. Yes....the WORLD!!!! Anyone who disagrees obviously has never had a Double Double before. Because once you have a Double Double from In-N-Out, just the sheer thought of this not being the best fast food burger you've ever tasted would cause your head to explode.

True story...I've seen it happen to a friend of mine.


Second.........Civil is a hype machine juggernaut. But in its defense--the story is very good. While there are only 2 issues to the story so far....all the tie-ins (for the most part) are great stories as well. Amazing Spiderman has been the best its been for a long time. Frontline is a great well-written tie-in. And there are others just as great.

So basically---its a lot of hype surrounding the story...but fortunately...it's delivering for now.
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You've obviously never been to Fudrucker's.

ShadowPrime said:
Hibiki:

Sorry, but you prove my point FOR me.

Racist Man and Captain Brutality sound like villains to you? Okay. To YOU. Who gets to decide? That is precisely the point. What Cap is arguing is that once you put on a mask, you are outside the law, and answerable to no one. Well, maybe to HIM. Hmmm... So who gets to decide the limits of conduct for "heroes"? What is the code of conduct for the Punisher? For Wolverine? What if the NEXT guy in a mask doesn't share Cap's views on where the line should be drawn? On race relations? On the rights of criminals? Of the simply ACCUSED? If Captain Brutality decides that breaking a few bones to get info is justifiable, who does he answer to?

And your comments re the police are....startling...to me. Let me see if I have this right. Cap disagrees with a government policy. So Cap pitches a SHIELD agent out of a racing vehicle ... during what is essentially a jail break... right into the path of some oncoming, pursuing police cars... causing what appears to be a high speed multi car crash, with police cars sailing through the air at 60 MPH... and that is OKAY because cops are "always in the line of danger"?

Yikes.

Shadow
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Am I being graded or are you trying to find something wrong with what I said b/c I see no argument to what you're saying. You're just pointing out everything I've already said. And what do racist man and Captain Brutality sound like to you, heroes? Racism is wrong no matter what. You can't tell me you disagree with that. Don't tell me what THE point is. Tell me what YOUR point is to bringing up my comment.
 
Millar on numbers:

Mark Millar said:
Great time at a friend's place in the countryside for the last week (more on this later), but had an email from Marvel marketing with some cracking sales info on the first three issues. MCW issue one is now pushing towards 400K and should surpass this with the next printing. Issue 2 is pushing 300K and orders-- initial bloody orders-- for issue three are ALREADY almost 340K. Bear in mind that re-order activity on these books is huge and I have another big surprise in this issue and it's not unrealistic to suspect that this issue might just pass the 400K mark too. I'm bloody delighted so thanks very much. Lovely news to come back to.
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Yeah, I think Hitler tried something like this with the Jews, and Pols, and ***s and some Catholics. Let's round them all up "just so we know where they are". Because the bad guys killed a bunch of kids trying to get away from the good guys. And then lets throw the good guy in jail. Execellent stories, it's a marketing stroke of genius, they have tied into the left/right political dissension and made it into a story and they are selling the fire out of it.
 
I idea behind registration is that super beings present a dangerous threat. Not all of them are dangerous, but if they are left unchecked the dangerous ones will commit attrocities like Stamford. I think it's stupid that they blame ALL super heroes for Stamford, though. Especially calling them baby killers. That's like calling all Americans baby killers because some American killed Arab Children(yes, I know they actually do call us baby killers and worse). The point is you can't be guilty by association.

I just thought of a better analogy. Drinking. If you are someone who drinks, are you guilty of drunk driving because other people who drink drink and drive.
 
MaxwellSmart said:
I idea behind registration is that super beings present a dangerous threat. Not all of them are dangerous, but if they are left unchecked the dangerous ones will commit attrocities like Stamford. I think it's stupid that they blame ALL super heroes for Stamford, though. Especially calling them baby killers. That's like calling all Americans baby killers because some American killed Arab Children(yes, I know they actually do call us baby killers and worse). The point is you can't be guilty by association.
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They being whom? The government or scared civilians? One is doing the resitration and the other is doing the name calling. Probably that neither actions would appear so extreme or out of the blue if Marvel had built up Heroes costly mistakes over a longer period.

It's like they woke up just yesterday realizing what kind of thing would also happen routinely in a superpowered world ; just as Police occassionnaly screw up, so would superheros. And the less training and coordination they have, the MORE they'll screw up. With the exception of Captain America, no heroes in Marvel has been portrayed as having unfailingly good judgement.

And no you can't blame all super-heros for Stamford but if you wait until one super screw up before you call him up on it you are not doing your job as a government official. You ought to look into ways to proactively reduce the number of screw-ups.

I'm guessing many sees this in the same term as gun control. And I guess we can see a metaphor here but if we just take the story at face value there is no comparison. Some of these characters have more firepower at their disposal than an F-16 fully loaded. We can debate until we are blue in the face about the right of one man to carry one handgun, but I think we can all agree that no one wants a civilian flying around in a F16 with a full battery of air to ground missile without some form of control over his actions.

If I were living in this fictional world I'd be kinda interested in some control being exerted. Because without authors willing to bend the laws of probabilities to keep the casulaties down, you'd be swimming in collateral damage. I remember reading a Hulk Story where a few years ago where a 30 story or so building was toppled and where Banner felt guilty because there was one guy (or even kid, I'm not sure) who got killed. I thought : Just One!?! Mr Banner, thank your lucky star Bruce Jones (the author) is a wuss. Same hold true for many other super stories. Often the obvious consequences of their action is not even brought up, much less dealt with.

The only downside of Registration is that it could go too far. We'll see.
 
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MaxwellSmart said:
I idea behind registration is that super beings present a dangerous threat. Not all of them are dangerous, but if they are left unchecked the dangerous ones will commit attrocities like Stamford. I think it's stupid that they blame ALL super heroes for Stamford, though. Especially calling them baby killers. That's like calling all Americans baby killers because some American killed Arab Children(yes, I know they actually do call us baby killers and worse). The point is you can't be guilty by association.

I just thought of a better analogy. Drinking. If you are someone who drinks, are you guilty of drunk driving because other people who drink drink and drive.
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They're not blaming ALL superheroes. Not exactly. They just don't want it to happen again; they don't want to take that risk ever again.


That said, I am not pro-registration. But that doesn't mean you can't understand (to a point) the other side.
 
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Reed - Asks Black Panther for help and support in the registration. Black Panther declines. He asks how Johnny's doing but Reed says he hasn't been there in 2 days and hasn't heard from Susan. He then goes on about the jungle/tech. Black Panther cuts him off and tells him to call Susan. (Best part of the issue.

Pym w/ Wasp is at Dr. Strange's but Wong says he wants nothing to do with Registration and is fasting in his Antartica fortress and meditating hopeing that Tony stops.

Iron Man - Visits the X-Men (Emma). Emma says that they won't support or reject the registration. Just that they'll remain neutral. Tony's disappointed and on the way out Bishop sneaks up on him and asks him to talk.

Cap n' Company go through fake names (I don't have the book with me -- Am I supposed to know who Daredevil is because of this because I still don't.). They're gonna start new lives. They get a distress singnal and head to a chemical plant fire.

Cloak transports the rebels inside. They find that it's a trick and Stark & Company confront them. Spider-Man talks a lot and Cap asks if MJ's ok with the fact Sandman knows her Zipcode now. Tony says they don't want to fight but give them one more chance. Cap tells him five minutes and they shake hands. When Iron Man pulls his hand away he finds a small device they messes with the suit.

The two sides begin to fight. Spider-Man's new suit is the ****... ( :oops: I said that out loud) Pym grows to fight Goliath. When the fighting really seems to be getting no where (good guy vs. good guy = Stalemate), SHIELD opens up codename: Lightning and everyone stops

Enter Thor.

5/5

Who the **** is Daredevil!!! :arrgh:

Thor.... cool. But if I hear the internet fans all going on about how awesome of an enterance this was when Hawkeye in HoM got smashed, I'm gonna go ape**** and get banned. Personally I thought Hawkeye's was better.
 
Lol, the "fake" names they all have are MillarWorld mods (the last names are, anyway). So, no, you shouldn't recognize them. They are just meant to be random fake names.
 
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What I was trying to say with my point is that having a woman spit in Tony's face, beat Johnny Storm into a coma, and having the phrase baby killer thrown around every which way is ludicrous.

I'm not saying the blame ends with Nitro either. Personally Speedball is loosing my support rapidly by saying, "But I didn't do anything wrong!" There are just certain rules you play by as a member of society and as a "hero" especially and one of them is "you are responsible for the forseeable consequences of your actions."
 
Did anyone get that Daily Bugle edition?

In the last pages is an editorial by She-Hulk in favor of registration which is probably the best argumentation yet shown from a Marvel Character on the topic.
 
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Not bad. I really liked Cap & his team changing in the alleyway...pretty cool twist.

What I don't get with this is that they way this series is being hyped, it's like they want people to pick between two equal sides; Equal as in, morally. But they make no bones about Tony Stark being the "bad guy" and Cap the "good guy". Strange.

I'm kind of "meh" about Thor. The guy is a Norse god; what does he care about the law of one country? Why would he get involved?
 
E said:
I'm kind of "meh" about Thor. The guy is a Norse god; what does he care about the law of one country? Why would he get involved?
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A popular theory is that it is Donald Blake in control of his body, because Thor would have never sided with the Registration.
 
Yeah, but pretty cool reintro. Although I will agree, I loved hawkeye's return much more. The fact that he is still there might even bring him back into Civil War. I thought it was kinda obvious with Codename: "lightning" that it was thor. Then again, my bf bought the variant with him on it. He said he also saw a spiderman one that looked a lot better.
 
big rain storm last night killed UPS. so i didn't get to read it. sounds good, though i hate the idea of the Fan Four breaking up. It makes sense though.

I like the thought of Spider-man whooping on everyone, because he should be able too. Between his smarts, speed, and strength, he is a versatile beast. While I originally thought that he would switch sides because something happens to May, my friend who runs the shop thinks it will be after he beats hte crap out of Cap.

(Iron Man winning is unnacceptable)

So since I won't read this til tomorrow, will someoen tell me what was the hint towards DD's identity.
 
iceman said:
big rain storm last night killed UPS. so i didn't get to read it. sounds good, though i hate the idea of the Fan Four breaking up. It makes sense though.

I like the thought of Spider-man whooping on everyone, because he should be able too. Between his smarts, speed, and strength, he is a versatile beast. While I originally thought that he would switch sides because something happens to May, my friend who runs the shop thinks it will be after he beats hte crap out of Cap.

(Iron Man winning is unnacceptable)

So since I won't read this til tomorrow, will someoen tell me what was the hint towards DD's identity.
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If you've read Secret WarS, he kicks the crap out of the X-men until Xavier I think wipes his mind of the incident. This includes cyclops, storm, rogue, and yes wolvie. Who else was there?
 
iceman said:
So since I won't read this til tomorrow, will someoen tell me what was the hint towards DD's identity.
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There is no hint. It's a straight up shot of the guy without his mask on. They just don't name him. Which is ridiculous because of artist interpretation, we can't tell exactly who the character is but he's right in our face.
 
TheManWithoutFear said:
There is no hint. It's a straight up shot of the guy without his mask on. They just don't name him. Which is ridiculous because of artist interpretation, we can't tell exactly who the character is but he's right in our face.
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Deadpool knew who it was and almost told us, but, nooooooo, Cap had to smack DP with his shield before he could say anything.

And doesn't it feel as if the pro- and anti- forces used just a tiny fraction of the energy they are putting into fighting each other into rounding up villains instead, the Marvel U would be entirely supervillain-free?
 
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