Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. discussion (spoilers)

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So according to the interview Ward chooses to be with Garrett because he has trained with him? What about Triplett?

This thing was just to put a black guy in the team and stretch the series telling little by little the origins of the newbie lol


It was cool to have a nod at the origin of the Fury's cutting device he used to escape his SUV in Cap 2, created by Fitz.
 
Ice said:
Marvel.com exclusive interview with Brett Dalton (Agent Ward) confirms Garret was the Clairvoyant


Then they proceeded to let me in on what their plan for my character had been all along. I don't think anyone knew who the Clairvoyant was, so they told me first, "Well, Garrett is the clairvoyant and Garrett is your supervising officer and you trained under him so that makes you also part of Hydra."
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See, this I don't get. It seemed to me in CA:TWS that Sitwell was pretty clear that Zola was/is the clairvoyant. It would be nice if they stopped being coy at this point and came right out and said who it is.
 
Well, after bailing on this show prior to the midseason break, I get sucked back in by CAPTAIN AMERICA: WINTER SOLDIER. Now I want to go back and watch this arc.
 
An interview with the producers (some spoilers inside as they talk about what will come in the last episodes).

They talk about how since they known the Cap 2 script, they began to write all the main arc of the first season around Hydra and Ward, puting all the little pieces of Ward being a traitor in all the episodes.

http://www.tvguide.com/News/Agents-SHIELD-Spoilers-Hydra-Clairvoyant-1080215.aspx
 
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Cool, so we have:

1x18: with Talbot and Blackout
1x19: with ???
1x20: with Hill
1x21: with ???
1x22: with Fury

It will be hard to wait all the summer for the next season and Avengers 2, after knowing HYDRA is everywhere!
 
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Colonel Talbot is in the next episode (18) with Agent Koenig as well.
 
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mike3717 said:
See, this I don't get. It seemed to me in CA:TWS that Sitwell was pretty clear that Zola was/is the clairvoyant. It would be nice if they stopped being coy at this point and came right out and said who it is.
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It was never clear at all that Zola was the Clairvoyant, we just all assumed that. The name/word Clairvoyant is never even mentioned in Cap-TWS. They're also not being coy, anymore. Last nights episode blatantly confirmed Garrett as the Clairvoyant. And the interview posted above confirms it too (unless these are just more red herrings to confuse the audience, but I think the Clairvoyant identity mystery is done with and the rest of the season will focus on Coulson's team tracking Garrett and Ward down and dealing with the repercussions of SHIELD's dismantling. I also think we'll see Garrett and Ward recruiting, specifically enemies who appeared--or will appear--on the show, like Graviton, Blizzard, Deathlok, etc, a sort of Masters of Evil beta).

It was said in Cap-TWS that Zola created the algorithm that allowed the Clairvoyant (Garrett) to be able to accurately predict people's actions based on their past (school grades, political leaning, tax records, etc). So Zola created it, Garrett used it and built up the persona of the Clairvoyant around himself by using it.

Captain France said:
An interview with the producers (some spoilers inside as they talk about what will come in the last episodes). They talk about how since they known the Cap 2 script, they began to write all the main arc of the first season around Hydra and Ward, puting all the little pieces of Ward being a traitor in all the episodes. http://www.tvguide.com/News/Agents-SHIELD-Spoilers-Hydra-Clairvoyant-1080215.aspx
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Bell: In upcoming episodes, we'll get into the agenda of why he was on the team. There's a very specific reason that he's there. In terms of Ward making himself invisible, Coulson loves projects. He likes to take people and fix them up. Ward was a project. Who was the biggest threat on the plane? Who could do the worst damage to him? May [Ming-Na Wen]. He seduced her and slept with her. Who was the unknown on the plane? Skye [Chloe Bennet]. He became her S.O. How do you endure yourself to a team? You do something selfless. He jumped out of the plane after Simmons [Elizabeth Henstridge]. If he had failed to save Simmons, he'd be OK. He had a parachute. But he did all these things along the way to neutralize or take the stink off or to bring people to his side in each of those instances. Those are just some of the examples. There was a method to the madness.
Loeb: Take a look at Episodes 6, 7 and 8. In Episode 6, he jumps out of a plane and saves Simmons. So he's now endeared himself to everybody there, but the one person he's not endeared himself to is Fitz (Iain De Caestecker). How are you going to fix that? Well, you go on a mission with Fitz and make Fitz feel like he's the hero of the story. Now, all of a sudden, the one guy who didn't like you likes you more than he ever did. Now there's a bromance going on. Then he gets a hold of the berserker staff and we see a very, very dark side of this guy. But, fortunately, it's not something that you hold onto very hard. When he winds up in bed with Lorelei (Elena Satine) and she talks about how different he is, again, those were little things along the way that hopefully when people and go back and look, they'll do, "Wow, it really was there."


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Cool, so we have:

1x18: with Talbot and Blackout
1x19: with ???
1x20: with Hill
1x21: with ???
1x22: with Fury

It will be hard to wait all the summer for the next season and Avengers 2, after knowing HYDRA is everywhere!
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Agreed. I have a feeling Season 2 (assuming it gets picked up for another season, which is likely as it still retains strong ratings, especially in the male 18-49 crowd) will focus on the team uncovering and tracking down Hydra cells across the world.
 
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It's not Skrull Kill Crew, but Hydra Kill Crew lol

Known HYDRA members:

- Johann Schmidt / Red Skull (deceased?)
- Arnim Zola (deceased?)
- Heinz Kruger (deceased)
- Alexander Goodwin Pierce (deceased)
- Agent Jasper Sitwell (deceased)
- Agent Jack Rollins (deceased when one of the Hellicarrier crashed on the Triskelion?)
- Agent Brock Rumlow (severely injured)
- Senator Stern (arrested)
- James Buchanan 'Bucky' Barnes / The Winter Soldier (brainwashed)
- Agent Mike Peterson / Deathlok (controlled)
- Agent John Garrett / The Clairvoyant
- Agent Grant Ward
- Baron Wolfang von Strucker
- Raina / The Girl in the Flower Dress
 
DIrishB said:
It was never clear at all that Zola was the Clairvoyant, we just all assumed that. The name/word Clairvoyant is never even mentioned in Cap-TWS. They're also not being coy, anymore. Last nights episode blatantly confirmed Garrett as the Clairvoyant. And the interview posted above confirms it too (unless these are just more red herrings to confuse the audience, but I think the Clairvoyant identity mystery is done with and the rest of the season will focus on Coulson's team tracking Garrett and Ward down and dealing with the repercussions of SHIELD's dismantling. I also think we'll see Garrett and Ward recruiting, specifically enemies who appeared--or will appear--on the show, like Graviton, Blizzard, Deathlok, etc, a sort of Masters of Evil beta).

It was said in Cap-TWS that Zola created the algorithm that allowed the Clairvoyant (Garrett) to be able to accurately predict people's actions based on their past (school grades, political leaning, tax records, etc). So Zola created it, Garrett used it and built up the persona of the Clairvoyant around himself by using it.
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Yeah we know that now. I guess most of my problem stems from the fact that I find Garrett as the Clairvoyant incredibly boring. I would have been far happier if it had just been Zola. And the scene in CA:TWS Sitwell actually just said that Zola created the algorithm. He didn't say he created it for someone else to use hence my (and probably most peoples) assumption that Zola was the Clairvoyant. I am still looking forward to where this goes just not as enthusiastically as I would have.
 
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mike3717 said:
Yeah we know that now. I guess most of my problem stems from the fact that I find Garrett as the Clairvoyant incredibly boring. I would have been far happier if it had just been Zola. And the scene in CA:TWS Sitwell actually just said that Zola created the algorithm. He didn't say he created it for someone else to use hence my (and probably most peoples) assumption that Zola was the Clairvoyant. I am still looking forward to where this goes just not as enthusiastically as I would have.
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Zola created it, presumably for Hydra to use. Ergo, since Garrett is a Hydra double agent, seems like that falls into the plans for the algorithm.
 
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Zola created it, presumably for Hydra to use. Ergo, since Garrett is a Hydra double agent, seems like that falls into the plans for the algorithm.
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Yeah yeah yeah....:lol:

Wouldn't you rather have had it play out that Zola was the Clairvoyant and that Garrett had just been his assistant or whatever? Like we were led to believe from CA:TWS? I mean I have to figure most people who saw the movie went into the next ep of SHIELD figuring Zola was the Clairvoyant.
 
mike3717 said:
Yeah yeah yeah....:lol: Wouldn't you rather have had it play out that Zola was the Clairvoyant and that Garrett had just been his assistant or whatever? Like we were led to believe from CA:TWS? I mean I have to figure most people who saw the movie went into the next ep of SHIELD figuring Zola was the Clairvoyant.
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Perhaps, but it's important to keep in mind Marvel has their plans for the films and the series. Certain bigger name characters are reserved for the films, like Zola. Given Hydra's resurgence in TWS, it stands to reason they may have plans for Zola in Cap 3. Hence they probably want to keep him separate from the series for the time being. Besides, given the timeline of ep 16 and 17 occurring during TWS, and Zola apparently being blown up the day before the conclusion of TWS, it stands to reason it wouldn't have made much sense for him to pop up on the show as Clairvoyant. Now, since Widow uploaded the flash drive containing all SHIELD and Hydra's secrets at the end of TWS, my theory is Zola uploaded himself to the flash drive just before the bunker was destroyed, and was able to upload himself to the internet at the conclusion of TWS.

Besides, we've gotten a number of Marvel villains introduced on the series already, and that'll continue through the end of the season. Granted they're B and C-list villains, but that's logical since the A-list villains are reserved for the films. It's important to be realistic in viewing how they're doing the show in conjunction with the films. As it is we've got Fury appearing twice on the show's first season, Hill appearing twice, and a number of the SHIELD agents who appeared in the films and One Shots (Sitwell, Blake) also appearing. I think they've done a good job cementing the show in the films universe.
 
DIrishB said:
Perhaps, but it's important to keep in mind Marvel has their plans for the films and the series. Certain bigger name characters are reserved for the films, like Zola. Given Hydra's resurgence in TWS, it stands to reason they may have plans for Zola in Cap 3. Hence they probably want to keep him separate from the series for the time being. Besides, given the timeline of ep 16 and 17 occurring during TWS, and Zola apparently being blown up the day before the conclusion of TWS, it stands to reason it wouldn't have made much sense for him to pop up on the show as Clairvoyant. Now, since Widow uploaded the flash drive containing all SHIELD and Hydra's secrets at the end of TWS, my theory is Zola uploaded himself to the flash drive just before the bunker was destroyed, and was able to upload himself to the internet at the conclusion of TWS.

Besides, we've gotten a number of Marvel villains introduced on the series already, and that'll continue through the end of the season. Granted they're B and C-list villains, but that's logical since the A-list villains are reserved for the films. It's important to be realistic in viewing how they're doing the show in conjunction with the films. As it is we've got Fury appearing twice on the show's first season, Hill appearing twice, and a number of the SHIELD agents who appeared in the films and One Shots (Sitwell, Blake) also appearing. I think they've done a good job cementing the show in the films universe.
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Well when you put it that way........:wink:

You are right in that for any complaints I may or may not have there is no debating that Marvel has done an excellent job of planning this whole thing out. It's really unprecedented. I wish DC would pull there heads out and do some planning and execution also.
 
mike3717 said:
Well when you put it that way........:wink:
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Yeah, it's not perfect but I think they've done a decent job of tying in the AoS show with the events of the films. It's tough keeping everything straight, let alone getting the film stars to appear on the show.

You are right in that for any complaints I may or may not have there is no debating that Marvel has done an excellent job of planning this whole thing out. It's really unprecedented. I wish DC would pull there heads out and do some planning and execution also.
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Agreed. WB really needs to get their stuff together to expand the DC Cinematic Universe. While Marvel has been doing a great job overall, I think some direct competition from DC in terms of the crossover film series can only help make Marvel's better. And hopefully DC are able to match their quality level. I'm starting to doubt DC will tie in their various television series with their films, however, whether existing shows like Arrow or the upcoming shows like Flash, Gotham, etc, which is a bit of a shame, since tying in those shows allows them a much greater degree of world building as opposed to just the films. WB also desperately need their own version of Kevin Fiege to oversee the various films.
 
DIrishB said:
Guess he won't be getting into Skye's pants.
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She looks better in them anyway.


I love the way Marvel did this. Garret being the Clairvoyant is perfect. If Zola was the Clairvoyant, then you would have to watch both the show and the movie to understand what was going on. As it stands, we've got two interconnected plots that can stand alone but enrich each other if you see both.

It makes sense that if Hydra had infiltrated SHIELD and were secretly trying to achieve their own ends, that they would have several avenues for doing so. Project Insight was Hydra's endgame. Everything they did was leading up to that, but for 70 years they were biding their time, growing in numbers, and achieving their smaller goals. Project Insight only became possible after the events of Avengers. So before that, they used Zola's algorithm on a smaller scale to help them achieve their goals and kill their enemies and potential enemies.

We need to remember that the Clairvoyant/Garret wasn't the head of Hydra,
Pierce
was. And before him, someone else was. So he used various tactics to throw the world into turmoil, to remove threats to Hydra, to gather technology and power, to experiment on people so they could create super soldiers, etc. So they used the Winter Soldier, and Centipede, and the Clairvoyant, and possibly AIM, or the Ten Rings, etc to achieve those goals. While Centipede was using alien tech, extremis, super soldier serum, and deathlock technology to create super soldiers, Strucker was using Loki's sceptre to control or create mutants/"miracles". Hydra is a big organization and has it's tentacles in lots of different things.
 
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