Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. discussion (spoilers)

Captain France said:
But maybe it's the opposite: Skye inspired the new Ms. Marvel look.

Going with the new look and with the old origin could be a good mix for the MCU Ms. Marvel.
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I just don't see either having any connection or inspiration to each other. The editors at Marvel went to G. Winslow with only the idea of having a muslim teen girl being the Ms. Marvel last year while/after the pilot for the show was being filmed and I doubt Winslow was shown/asked/whatever anything of the show for any ideas.
 
Ice said:
True, but doesn't meant the serum could react differently with her body. Not saying it will, just that there's always that possibility.
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Yeah I guess, but that would come off as contrived, least in my opinion.

wyokid said:
They did all sorts of stuff to Coulson as well though, with Skye it was just straight serum. Damn good episode.
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All they did extra to Coulson was implant the false memories of Tahiti, I don't see why that would negate any powers the serum supposedly may give people.

Captain France said:
The blue alien is for sure a Kree (introducing Guardians of the Galaxy's Ronan the Accuser) Coulson was suffering many days to the blood because he is human, but Skye seems not as she reacted positively to the blood after few seconds. Conclusion: Skye is a white Kree or a Kree-Human hybrid. This reinforce the Mantis' hypothesis to me. The Kree blood will maybe open something closed in Skye. fun fact: Mantis was called Lorelei in the Eclipse Comics. or it could be: The rings, the bracelets, the hair, the scarf, the skin, a girl, the alien origin (carol danvers received Captain Marvel dna and that's what gave her her powers)...
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Could be, though I honestly think we'll see MCU's version of Captain Marvel introduced in a film rather than the TV show. We'll see if she displays any weird powers next week.

wyokid said:
I'm thinking it's a Frost Giant.
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Could be, though it lacked any of the ice shards the Frost Giants had on their brow ridges, etc. Maybe that would tie in with the "magical place" memory implant repetition Coulson had?
 
Who Was That Blue Guy in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.?



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Well here's a picture of Nebula from GotG:

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And here's Yondu (missing his head fin, so probably not the final look).
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Neither of them are Kree (at least in the comics), but there are definitely going to be a lot of blue aliens in the GotG movie, so it makes sense that this blue guy in the tank is setting up for GotG and creating another link between it and the established universe.
 
Ice said:
Who Was That Blue Guy in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.?
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That's interesting. That would allow for Coulson and Skye to develop/possess super powers while explaining why Coulson hasn't shown any signs of those powers so far. Though I'm having trouble thinking of Coulson as Captain Marvel/Mar-Vehl. The different consciousness thing does help with that, though, and if true would offer Clark Gregg some interesting acting opportunities as he not only discovers the alien consciousness, but accepts it and starts working with it. If this is true I'm thinking we won't see Coulson become Captain Marvel until at least the season finale.

Captain Canuck said:
Well here's a picture of Nebula from GotG: And here's Yondu (missing his head fin, so probably not the final look). Neither of them are Kree (at least in the comics), but there are definitely going to be a lot of blue aliens in the GotG movie, so it makes sense that this blue guy in the tank is setting up for GotG and creating another link between it and the established universe.
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Exactly.

wyokid said:
That is literally the dumbest theory I've heard so far.
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Why? It's more likely than a Frost Giant as you claimed for several reasons.

One, the body isn't anywhere near big enough to pass as a Frost Giant, nor did it look like one other than the blue-skin bipedal humanoid look.

Two, another Thor film isn't due for at least 3-4 more years, so I doubt they're going to bother with meta connections now (despite Sif and Lorelei's appearance next week, which is probably just a way to encourage DVD/Blu-Ray sales for Thor - The Dark World).

Three, Guardians of the Galaxy comes out in August, and it makes sense to begin dropping hints/connections between AoS and GotG in some ways (we know they've already tied AoS in with Thor - TDW directly, and will be doing so with Captain America - TWS in the next month or so). Given that it makes sense they'd also want to tie in with GotG, probably bringing the hints/revelations to a head in AoS's season finale in May. GotG releases in August, and then a month and a half later AoS Season 2 begins they can pick up on whatever surprise the Season 1 finale leaves off on. Seems perfectly logical to me, from both an in universe standpoint and a marketing standpoint (which Marvel Studios are absolute geniuses at).
 
I really hope Coulson doesn't become Captain Marvel. I mean, the idea that he and Marvel share the same body IS sort of similar to the original Captain Marvel stuff where he and Rick Jones switched places using the Negabands. But still, I hope not.

I do like the idea of Skye being Spider-Woman, but if she is, I really doubt they'll call her that. I think that would just be too confusing for the casual fan that doesn't know that Spider-Woman and Spider-Man are unconnected in the comics. They might make her Arachne.


Huh… what if the Clairvoyant is Madame Web? (She might be part of the Spider-Man franchise though).
 
I like the kree theory. Hate the Coulson = Capt Marvel with a "duel consciousness" theory. I say let Coulson be Coulson. Let him be repulsed and bitter by what Fury did to him and so on. That's fine. They don't need to give him powers imo. I think that the drug, combined with Skye's being an 084 and the fact she wasn't dead can be the reason(s) it affects her different and gives her powers. I think Coulsion is a well established character and trying to morph him into something else just seems kinda lame to me.
 
mike3717 said:
I like the kree theory. Hate the Coulson = Capt Marvel with a "duel consciousness" theory. I say let Coulson be Coulson. Let him be repulsed and bitter by what Fury did to him and so on. That's fine. They don't need to give him powers imo. I think that the drug, combined with Skye's being an 084 and the fact she wasn't dead can be the reason(s) it affects her different and gives her powers. I think Coulsion is a well established character and trying to morph him into something else just seems kinda lame to me.
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There is something to the Coulson as Cap Marvel theory, if you think about it. First, why'd Fury even bother to try resurrecting Coulson? If they had that technology no SHIELD agent would ever have to die... unless it's expensive or rare (due to some component needed to pull it off, ie the GH325 serum). And was Coulson really so special and essential he was worth the cost? Or was Fury just being a softie and keeping his favorite agent alive? I doubt it. I think it'll be revealed there was more to Coulson all along, and Fury knew he'd be the perfect subject to transplant that Kree's mind into (assuming it is a Kree, which is definitely more likely than a Frost Giant or Atlantean as has been theorized online). Though I'm not convinced Coulson is sharing a consciousness with an alien, let alone Captain Marvel.

Also, it's interesting to consider where that alien/Kree came from. For now I'm thinking it was one of the Kree chasing Peter Quill's father in the 1980's, which may factor into the scenes set in the 80's in GotG. The ship crash landed, and SHIELD recovered that body (and maybe more).
 
The blue guy in the water is 99% a Kree and an easter-egg for GotG, look at the Ronan toy, they have the same symbol:

(I've put it in links format, if some people don't want to be spoiled by the Ronan's look in GotG)

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Also, Coulson looks like to have superhuman agility that no other shield agents have: just remember the One-Shot: A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer, or the first AoS episode when Mike Peterson throws the van's door.
 
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DIrishB said:
There is something to the Coulson as Cap Marvel theory, if you think about it. First, why'd Fury even bother to try resurrecting Coulson? If they had that technology no SHIELD agent would ever have to die... unless it's expensive or rare (due to some component needed to pull it off, ie the GH325 serum). And was Coulson really so special and essential he was worth the cost? Or was Fury just being a softie and keeping his favorite agent alive? I doubt it. I think it'll be revealed there was more to Coulson all along, and Fury knew he'd be the perfect subject to transplant that Kree's mind into (assuming it is a Kree, which is definitely more likely than a Frost Giant or Atlantean as has been theorized online). Though I'm not convinced Coulson is sharing a consciousness with an alien, let alone Captain Marvel.
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Oh I can def see this being the case. I just hope it isn't. Seems to me that since Coulson was dead for 6 days no decision was made immediately and perhaps Fury was told of this experimental procedure by his sources outside of SHIELD and decided Coulson would be an excellent candidate to test it on. He was already dead so what could be the harm? That's the way I look at it anyway. It doesn't necessarily have to be premeditated.

DIrishB said:
Also, it's interesting to consider where that alien/Kree came from. For now I'm thinking it was one of the Kree chasing Peter Quill's father in the 1980's, which may factor into the scenes set in the 80's in GotG. The ship crash landed, and SHIELD recovered that body (and maybe more).
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This I like.
 
mike3717 said:
Oh I can def see this being the case. I just hope it isn't. Seems to me that since Coulson was dead for 6 days no decision was made immediately and perhaps Fury was told of this experimental procedure by his sources outside of SHIELD and decided Coulson would be an excellent candidate to test it on. He was already dead so what could be the harm? That's the way I look at it anyway. It doesn't necessarily have to be premeditated. This I like.
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He was dead for 4 days, and I doubt they had the alien body and serum derived from it without testing it previously. Especially considering it appears they had it for awhile (if the theory about the Kree body being obtained during the GotG 80's portion is accurate, which it may not be). Even having only obtained it relatively recently, the had it long enough to hook it up in the tank and derive the serum from it, which had to take awhile. I really doubt Coulson was the first it was tested on.
 
DIrishB said:
He was dead for 4 days, and I doubt they had the alien body and serum derived from it without testing it previously. Especially considering it appears they had it for awhile (if the theory about the Kree body being obtained during the GotG 80's portion is accurate, which it may not be). Even having only obtained it relatively recently, the had it long enough to hook it up in the tank and derive the serum from it, which had to take awhile. I really doubt Coulson was the first it was tested on.
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All perfectly plausible. He doesn't have to have been the first test subject. In fact he doesn't even have to the first test subject it worked on. He was just a subject. I agree with you that all this does seem to indicate Coulson's greater importance and will likely lead to something with him. I just hope its not making him Capt Marvel.
 
mike3717 said:
All perfectly plausible. He doesn't have to have been the first test subject. In fact he doesn't even have to the first test subject it worked on. He was just a subject. I agree with you that all this does seem to indicate Coulson's greater importance and will likely lead to something with him. I just hope its not making him Capt Marvel.
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I actually agree, I was just saying there is likely going to be some reveal concerning him and Skye by season's end. I'm not saying they'll end up being Captain Marvel and Ms. Marvel, just that there are some type of changes/twists regarding that serum.
 
Maybe the serum ends up being the MCU version of the infinity formula and it was first used on Fury back when he lost his eye.

Also, I just thought of something. In this episode, they mentioned that Coulson's heart was torn in half by Loki's spear. Wouldn't that have killed him pretty instantly? He lasted a few minutes.

And finally, what do you think T.A.H.I.T.I. stands for?
 
Do the titles actually stand for something? I thought it was just how they do the episode titles like how Friends did "The one with...."
 
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