Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. discussion (spoilers)

I had some cool ideas that would be great for some episodes. Like having Isaiah Bradley, the original Captain America show up and have his past revealed to the group; could even shake Coulson up a bit. And even have an episode where the team shows up for clean up duty after some battles, but find Damage Control taking care of business, only to find out it's really the Wrecking Crew. Not sure how they'd get their weapons enchanted this time around, but this is just a basic idea. Maybe not even have them enchanted yet?


Man, I should write for this show.
 
And even have an episode where the team shows up for clean up duty after some battles, but find Damage Control taking care of business, only to find out it's really the Wrecking Crew.

Um...this already happened on Ultimate Spider-Man...
 
I had some cool ideas that would be great for some episodes. Like having Isaiah Bradley, the original Captain America show up and have his past revealed to the group; could even shake Coulson up a bit. And even have an episode where the team shows up for clean up duty after some battles, but find Damage Control taking care of business, only to find out it's really the Wrecking Crew. Not sure how they'd get their weapons enchanted this time around, but this is just a basic idea. Maybe not even have them enchanted yet?


Man, I should write for this show.

Agreed.

I think one the show's biggest shortcomings is not regularly using existing B, C, and D-list Marvel heroes and villains instead of new characters hardcore fans don't really care about.

I realize that they probably want to save the bigger, more recognizable heroes for possible movie appearances in the future, or even other TV shows like the Netflix deal, but surely there are a wealth of characters that could be used without stepping on any toes for future movie/TV plans.

By doing so, it'd generate more hype for the show amongst hardcore comic fans, which inevitably trickles down to excite casual fans who have no idea who these characters are, but are excited due to others' excitement (does that make sense?).

Granted it should be done somewhat gradually, as not every episode should feature a super powered individual... but when they do focus on a super, make it someone that some people have at least heard of. Original characters are great and all, and I know the show is about regular human SHIELD agents, however its about those regular human SHIELD agents interacting with and dealing with the onset of super powers. Would be nice if those super powered people that show up from time to time are someone from the comics. This applies to SHIELD personnel as well. The Victoria Hand thing was a nice touch, I'd like to see more of that.
 
Ok, so I've caught up on the episode and this thread (A.O.S is shown on Fridays here in the UK so I had to avoid this thread for spoilers for a few days). That episode was one of the best yet, though I thought it summed up everything about AOS so far in that it was a nice entertaining hour on a show that is steadily improving, but I still feel that it could be a bit better and misses some oppurtunities and possibilities. Anyway it was nice that it linked in at the start with the aftermath of the events seen in T:TDR by being in the same setting. I was half expecting maybe a little cameo from Dr Selvig at some point perhaps at the end which would have really tied things in together but maybe that was asking for a bit too much. It had a lot of excitement and pace in it with some good fight scenes, and we got to see another side of Ward which is exactly what has been needed. It had a slightly darker tone than most of the previous episodes and the direction by Jonathan Frakes was good. However, it still feels a little Scooby Doo at times, such as the bit when the professor revealed the possible locations around the globe for the other parts of the staff, which led to Skye and Ward being in the underground chambers. And I just didn't see Peter MacNicol as being an Asgardian. I know that was meant to have been on earth for a milenium but there was nothing otherworldly or extraordinary about him at all or the way he was played. I mean this guy was meant to have lived through the so many incredible events in history, from the middle ages and viking rule through to the Renaissance and the enlightenment, he would have been a contemporary of Shakespeare, Da Vinci, Galileo, Columbus....so many things but what could have been a fascinating story (and the basis for a whole episode) was just brushed over in a couple of lines, and he could just have been any old middle aged guy. One of the things I've loved about the MCU is that when we'e met the Asgardians before they have always seemed a little otherworldly, be it in their more grand way of speaking or their mannerisms. So I felt they could have made more of the 'Asgardian stranded on earth for a thousand years' side of it rather than it just being more about the chase to stop the Norwegian hate group getting the other parts of the staff. The ending was strong though, both when Ward opened up about his past and scene at the end when he brushed off Skye and went with May, and Coulson's 'Tahiti' sequence was cool. So it was a good episode though while enjoyable left you wishing that they could have maybe done more with the Thor link.

Oh, and remember that after the last episode I said that I suspected that May was Skye's mother? Did you catch that line when Ward asked her about what she's seen when she held the staff? And she replied something like 'I see it every day'. I take that to be a reference to Skye and how May has to see her everyday but keep a secret. I wonder also if the actress playing Skye is deliberately known here as Chloe Bennett (rather than Chloe Wang as she was previously known) so that we don't guess about her Chinese heritage to help hide that plot twist of her being May's daughter?

J. August Richards to return on AoS 1x10

Looks like the Agents first case will come back to...help? That's cool, I like that they'll be revisiting characters and storylines from previous episodes.

I wouldn't be surprised if we haven't seen the last of Amadour from the Eye Spy episode. That was too good a character to just throw away and I think they left it kind of open with Coulson saying he'd try and make sure she got a fair trial. I could definitely see her joining up with the team for a mission.
 
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But I think the whole point of McNicol's character is that he's just a regular guy. He was a mason who broke rocks. He wasn't a warrior, he just signed up for the war to travel. He doesn't know Thor. He's just a regular blue collar nobody. Except that he happens to be an ancient alien. I thought that was pretty cool b/c we haven't seen it before.

Oh, and I have questions about Ward's flashback. Was that his brother in the well, or was the other guy his brother or was he in the well? And did he drown? (assuming it wasn't him). Did they show that, or was it sort of left ambiguous?
 
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And I just didn't see Peter MacNicol as being an Asgardian. I know that was meant to have been on earth for a milenium but there was nothing otherworldly or extraordinary about him at all or the way he was played. I mean this guy was meant to have lived through the so many incredible events in history, from the middle ages and viking rule through to the Renaissance and the enlightenment, he would have been a contemporary of Shakespeare, Da Vinci, Galileo, Columbus....so many things but what could have been a fascinating story (and the basis for a whole episode) was just brushed over in a couple of lines, and he could just have been any old middle aged guy. One of the things I've loved about the MCU is that when we'e met the Asgardians before they have always seemed a little otherworldly, be it in their more grand way of speaking or their mannerisms. So I felt they could have made more of the 'Asgardian stranded on earth for a thousand years' side of it rather than it just being more about the chase to stop the Norwegian hate group getting the other parts of the staff.

Like Captain Canuck said, though, he was just a regular guy (or doing his best to appear so). He wasn't Asgardian nobility like all the main characters in the Thor movie. And while he was alive at the same time as Shakespeare, Da Vinci, etc, and a number of other historical persons, it doesn't mean he met them or even knew of them during their lifetime. In fact it's far more likely he didn't, even with as much as he traveled.

And even if he had Asgardian mannerisms and speech patterns originally, he's been hiding out on Earth for over a thousand years. It'd make sense for him to consciously change and adapt his speech to that of the style around him, hence having a modern approach to his language. After all, he's been around for awhile, so I'm sure he's had accents and spoke in languages of a variety of different regions depending on where he was at the time.

Oh, and remember that after the last episode I said that I suspected that May was Skye's mother? Did you catch that line when Ward asked her about what she's seen when she held the staff? And she replied something like 'I see it every day'. I take that to be a reference to Skye and how May has to see her everyday but keep a secret.

I thought of that too after your post regarding that possibility. Could be... Though that'll make things eternally awkward for Skye and Ward going forward once that's revealed. It's also kind of a dick move on May's part if she's aware of Skye being her daughter (which if that's the case, her line in this episode reveals she knows), and since she's been living on the plane with them for months she obviously knows there's an attraction between the two. We'll see how it plays out.

I wonder also if the actress playing Skye is deliberately known here as Chloe Bennett (rather than Chloe Wang as she was previously known) so that we don't guess about her Chinese heritage to help hide that plot twist of her being May's daughter? I wouldn't be surprised if we haven't seen the last of Amadour from the Eye Spy episode. That was too good a character to just throw away and I think they left it kind of open with Coulson saying he'd try and make sure she got a fair trial. I could definitely see her joining up with the team for a mission.

As for Chloe Bennett changing her last name from Wang, I doubt it has anything to do with keeping a secret from the audience. Anyone interested can just look up her background/parentage on a number of websites, Wikipedia amongst them. I think it's more to do with using the Bennett name to be more "accepted" by audiences in America, Canada, UK, etc. While the show is airing worldwide, it's fair to see the focus audiences are there, and the actress and her agents probably decided to use the Bennett last name to give her a more American, white Anglo-Saxon sound, as well as to distance herself from the Wang Asian pop star background. Just a theory, but I doubt it had anything to do with the storyline of the show.
 
While I wasn't suggesting that the character would have known those historical figures personally I still think that there was more they could have done to make him seem a little more otherworldly or give him a more interesting story to tell. To live through all those amazing eras in history and to see the things he would have seen would have.given him one hell of a story and could have made for a great twist at the end if they'd have held off the reveal. I know they were trying to make him ordinary seeming by saying that he'd been an ordinary Joe on Asgard and had been an ordinary Joe on earth for a millennium but they just made him a bit too...ordinary to the point I found it a little hard to believe the character, but that's just my take personally. You know thinking about it I wonder if a type of actor like Lance Henriksen or Rutger Hauer would have been better for the role, someone with a little more gravitas, more world weary and European mystique. That could have worked well.
 
While I wasn't suggesting that the character would have known those historical figures personally I still think that there was more they could have done to make him seem a little more otherworldly or give him a more interesting story to tell. To live through all those amazing eras in history and to see the things he would have seen would have.given him one hell of a story and could have made for a great twist at the end if they'd have held off the reveal. I know they were trying to make him ordinary seeming by saying that he'd been an ordinary Joe on Asgard and had been an ordinary Joe on earth for a millennium but they just made him a bit too...ordinary to the point I found it a little hard to believe the character, but that's just my take personally. You know thinking about it I wonder if a type of actor like Lance Henriksen or Rutger Hauer would have been better for the role, someone with a little more gravitas, more world weary and European mystique. That could have worked well.

I get what you're saying. But even living in those eras doesn't necessarily mean he was exposed to the things from those eras history has taught us about. I remember he spent time in that monastery shown at the end, for instance, and those are by definition places of seclusion. And even when he lived out in the real world, without modern inventions like Internet, television, or even phones, information traveled at a significantly slower pace, to the point if one wasn't living in Italy during the 1400s to 1500s, it would've been entirely possible to not be exposed to the art and science of the day at all. Granted I'm sure he learned of it and most other world history eventually, but given it was a 45 minute episode balancing his story with the SHIELD agents and the doomsday cult or whatever they were, I can understand not being able to delve into his character all that much.

However, I expect we'll see him in a future episode (or episodes), so perhaps we'll learn more. I did think they did a good job with the reveal though. Even though it happened midway through the episode, I was certainly surprised by it, as I assumed he was just a regular professor who wanted the power of the staff. The reveal he was an Asgardian trying to protect the staff was unexpected.
 
Oh, and I have questions about Ward's flashback. Was that his brother in the well, or was the other guy his brother or was he in the well? And did he drown? (assuming it wasn't him). Did they show that, or was it sort of left ambiguous?

Ward is the little boy in the well, and the 2 other boys are his brothers..
That's why he had fear and hate about this moment.
 
Or was he the little boy at the top that has rage and hate for not saving the boy in the well and not standing up to the bully? I think that's what I'm inclined to take from that scene. That's the reason that he wanted to become an agent and save people because he had the chance to save someone before and didn't take it.
 
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Ward is the little boy in the well, and the 2 other boys are his brothers..
That's why he had fear and hate about this moment.

Or was he the little boy at the top that has rage and hate for not saving the boy in the well and not standing up to the bully? I think that's what I'm inclined to take from that scene. That's the reason that he wanted to become an agent and save people because he had the chance to save someone before and didn't take it.

Yeah, I couldn't decide between those two.
 
I took it as he was the boy at the top of the well and he couldn't save the other kid, which makes more sense than the other way around. The rage comes from survival's guilt.
 
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Ward is the little boy in the well, and the 2 other boys are his brothers.. That's why he had fear and hate about this moment.

That's what you're meant to think at first, but later on the flashback is shown again and the kid in the well is yelling "Grant!" and trying to get him to throw the rope down. Ward's first name is Grant, hence he was the one up top who wanted to throw the rope down to help, but his older brother (the other kid outside the well) threatened him that if he did so he'd be going in to.

It's a good genesis of Ward's characterization as presented so far, since he's obviously got a huge hero complex and his repeated habit of putting himself in harm's way to help others or carry out missions is a form or retribution for that event.

He was too afraid of what his brother would do to him to help the kid in the well (not sure if it was their younger brother or what), though initially we're meant to think he's the kid in the well. But again, that kid in the well clearly calls out to Grant...doubt he'd be calling out his own name if it were him in the well. His anger/rage was due to his inaction.

I took it as he was the boy at the top of the well and he couldn't save the other kid, which makes more sense than the other way around. The rage comes from survival's guilt.

Exactly.
 
That's what you're meant to think at first, but later on the flashback is shown again and the kid in the well is yelling "Grant!" and trying to get him to throw the rope down.

Okay, I knew someone said Grant somewhere during the flashback, but I couldn't remember who said it to whom. Thanks.
 
The late night romp with May and Ward wasn't the first time. Interesting...



First we had a Sunfire-esque character and now a Nightcrawler-esque one.
 
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May's totally Skye's mom.

Yeah, this episode seemed to allude to that further.

The late night romp with May and Ward wasn't the first time. Interesting...

I may be wrong but I think the ending of last week's episode was the first time and they've been carrying on between last episode and this one, maybe a week or two.

First we had a Sunfire-esque character and now a Nightcrawler-esque one.

Actually I was hoping he would end up being one of the U-Foes, either X-Ray or a male version of Vapor, but alas, no such luck.

Still, I liked that they used the different worlds/dimensions thing as an explanation.

And as for May being Skye's mom, it definitely seems likely at this point. The whole "You have to let her go" thing she said to ghost guy being the same as what Coulson said to her does align with that. Perhaps the mission she went on where she gained The Cavalry sobriquet is the same mission where she needed to give up Skye for adoption?


Overall another very strong episode. AoS have certainly turned the corner and are putting out regularly good episodes for the past few weeks.

And the promo for next week's looks good. I'm glad Peterson is returning and I'm hoping (if he survives) he may become a regular cast member. Would be nice to get a bit more racial diversity to the cast besides the 4 white people, 1 Asian, and 1 half Asian/half Caucasian.
 
Yeah, this episode seemed to allude to that further.

And as for May being Skye's mom, it definitely seems likely at this point. The whole "You have to let her go" thing she said to ghost guy being the same as what Coulson said to her does align with that. Perhaps the mission she went on where she gained The Cavalry sobriquet is the same mission where she needed to give up Skye for adoption?
Yeah, or maybe she couldn't save Skye's parents and it ruined her. I don't know, but there is definitely some sort of connection. I picked it up when May was listening to Skye talking about the nuns in the orphanage.





I may be wrong but I think the ending of last week's episode was the first time and they've been carrying on between last episode and this one, maybe a week or two.
Oh, maybe. But Ward did say they don't get much shore leave or something of the sort last episode.


Still, I liked that they used the different worlds/dimensions thing as an explanation.
Especially since One of the nine realms is Muspelheim - a fire realm that would mirror the Judeo-Christian imagery of hell. There is a rumour going around the Internet that Muspelheim will be featured in the third Thor movie, with Suture as the main villain, trying to cause Ragnorok. Apparently you could see Suture's silhouette in during the convergence in The Dark World.

There's also the realm hel, which is the afterlife realm, but it's not as hellish.
 
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