Women in comics

Zombipanda said:
Doc's right. Monica Rambeua is the ****. There's also Agent 335, Misty Knight... hm.... Who else? If we're talking about black dudes too, the list is pretty extensive.
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And off topic, so let's give Mavericker the benefit of the doubt and make it black females, in which case Storm has spent some time as leader of the X-Men. I don't have those issues, but I assume she rocked because, hey, Storm.

skotti-chan said:
Let's not forget Storm
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Beat me to it.
 
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TwilightEL said:
Topic? Um... I've read at maximum three romance mangas in my life and I suspect they weren't very good, but the guys have no spine and are constantly getting smacked around by screechy, two-dimensional women. Why is that? Is that actually a turn on for some people? I wanted a meteor to hit their house just so they'll stop being morons.
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I missed this post, but am now referring back to it. I've complained about this before...why does every chick in manga/anime have to be a ***** with mystical super strength? Seriously, in high school romance manga, the lead love interest is either a shy, Hinata-arch-type girl, or a *****y Sakura-arch-type girl (using examples from Naruto because it's all the rage at the moment). Hinata girl blushes and does nothing but think about the guy she likes and Sakura girl gets walked in on while she's changing, and then punches the main character into space.

I for one, find nothing about this a "turn on". I don't even think it's very funny. Come up with a new story, manga-writers; Love Hina came out YEARS ago, and remaking it over and over again is just annoying.
 
TwilightEL said:
And off topic, so let's give Mavericker the benefit of the doubt and make it black females, in which case Storm has spent some time as leader of the X-Men. I don't have those issues, but I assume she rocked because, hey, Storm.
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Yeah. I forgot about Storm. ;) How could I forget about Storm? So, exactly how many black female leads are we looking for?

Edit: There's also the sheriff from Welcome to Tranquility - one of the strongest female characters in comics, and one of the better role models.

I think Gail Simone's probably the person we should examine to see how to write good female characters. They're strong, smart, have their own problems, but aren't either oversexualized or desexualized. And they don't turn into lesbians just because that's what's hip and progressive.
 
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Zombipanda said:
Yeah. I forgot about Storm. ;) How could I forget about Storm? So, exactly how many black female leads are we looking for?
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What is it now? 13% of the United States population (where most comics take place) is black, and a fraction of that is female. It's stupid to have comics over flowing with African characters just so that you won't seem like a bunch of racists. Not saying that there shouldn't be female, African characters, but that there are plenty already.
 
Wade_Wilson said:
What is it now? 13% of the United States population (where most comics take place) is black, and a fraction of that is female. It's stupid to have comics over flowing with African characters just so that you won't seem like a bunch of racists. Not saying that there shouldn't be female, African characters, but that there are plenty already.
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Is this on topic? It seems like it's more about race than women.
 
Wade_Wilson said:
What is it now? 13% of the United States population (where most comics take place) is black, and a fraction of that is female. It's stupid to have comics over flowing with African characters just so that you won't seem like a bunch of racists. Not saying that there shouldn't be female, African characters, but that there are plenty already.
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That's what I'm saying. A character should develop around the natural progression of the story, rather than just being twisted around a certain way to be politically correct.
 
Zombipanda said:
Yeah. I forgot about Storm. ;) How could I forget about Storm? So, exactly how many black female leads are we looking for?

Edit: There's also the sheriff from Welcome to Tranquility - one of the strongest female characters in comics, and one of the better role models.

I think Gail Simone's probably the person we should examine to see how to write good female characters. They're strong, smart, have their own problems, but aren't either oversexualized or desexualized. And they don't turn into lesbians just because that's what's hip and progressive.
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Gail is so awesome, I can't wait for her run on Wonder Woman. Finally someone will write her well.
 
TwilightEL said:
Is this on topic? It seems like it's more about race than women.
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It kind of is. With only 13% black, and half of that female (I'd assume), you're not going to end up with tons of prominent, black leads. There are, however, a good number in comics, and I don't think that writers should go out of their way to write more just to appeal to a certain demographic.

It's kind of on topic.
 
I'm more interested in seeing more international characters than minority American characters. But that's a different topic.

Gail Simone is one of my favorite writers and I'll be dropping BOP after next issue. Haven't decided on whether or not to get Wonder Woman, since I really don't care much about the character and I'm trying to cut down on books anyway.
 
Mavericker said:
I'm tired of sexualized tomboy-types.
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tomboy
One entry found.

tomboy

Main Entry:
tom·boy
Pronunciation:
\ˈtäm-ˌbȯi\
Function:
noun
Date:
1566

: a girl who behaves in a manner usually considered boyish
— tom·boy·ish adjective
— tom·boy·ish·ness noun
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I do not think that word means what you think it means.
 
y'know what, it's my turn to rant.


I'm sick and tired of lesbians and bisexual women written from the fact that their sexuality is the only thing that matters. Instead of writing them as a female character/heroine first and lesbian being what she is in the company of the person/people she loves.

I mean, with all the hype behind Batwoman's outing, I was seriously expecting the status quo, but I really love how her and Renee's story turned out.

But with people like Vaughn and Whedon and Winnick, we're getting the "we're here, we're queer, get used to it" army.
 
skotti-chan said:
y'know what, it's my turn to rant.


I'm sick and tired of lesbians and bisexual women written from the fact that their sexuality is the only thing that matters. Instead of writing them as a female character/heroine first and lesbian being what she is in the company of the person/people she loves.

I mean, with all the hype behind Batwoman's outing, I was seriously expecting the status quo, but I really love how her and Renee's story turned out.

But with people like Vaughn and Whedon and Winnick, we're getting the "we're here, we're queer, get used to it" army.
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Yeah, it seemed like in the later seasons of Buffy, Willow constantly mentioned her lesbian status. When you reference Vaughan, are you talking about Karolina? Can you elaborate on that?
 
I actually feel the same way about black characters. Has there ever been a black character who's stories aren't steeped in fighting racism? It's the same with gay characters, particularly Winnick's. I get they're trying to make a point or whatever, but it actually makes for horrible, one dimensional characters and defeats the whole purpose of their existence.
 
TwilightEL said:
Yeah, it seemed like in the later seasons of Buffy, Willow constantly mentioned her lesbian status. When you reference Vaughan, are you talking about Karolina? Can you elaborate on that?
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Yeah, the Karolina/Nico thing.

I will be honest, it's mostly just how BKV portrayed Nico. Being a goth chick, myself, I was kinda pissed off by the fact that Nico's just a screaming stereotype. I mean she's a whiny cutter, who will sleep with anything with a pulse.
 
skotti-chan said:
Yeah, the Karolina/Nico thing.

I will be honest, it's mostly just how BKV portrayed Nico. Being a goth chick, myself, I was kinda pissed off by the fact that Nico's just a screaming stereotype. I mean she's a whiny cutter, who will sleep with anything with a pulse.
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Or even without, in Victor's case.
 
TwilightEL said:
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
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I'm referring to mannish female types, and some of them are sexualized.

Wade_Wilson said:
It kind of is. With only 13% black, and half of that female (I'd assume), you're not going to end up with tons of prominent, black leads. There are, however, a good number in comics, and I don't think that writers should go out of their way to write more just to appeal to a certain demographic.

It's kind of on topic.
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I disagree with you-there should be more strong leads that are women of color.
 
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