Ultimate Power series discussion [spoilers]

Re: Ultimate Power #2 Discussion (spoilers and whatnot)

This wasn't as bad as the awful, awful first issue, but it was still pretty terrible. The whole thing was a stupid fight that led to absolutely nothing.

Stan Lee and Jack Kirby could tell this entire issue in one splash page (and it would be better and more exciting).

I felt I got more for my money with Vision 0 and I already bought two copies of all those issues.

Straczynski couldn't get here faster, if only to make some sense from a Supremeverse perspective.

Also, I wonder if Spider-Man won't take off after next issue. Because, you know, no one but Bendis could ever write him. Or ever has.
 
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Re: Ultimate Power #2 Discussion (spoilers and whatnot)

this wasn't bad, it wasn't good, it was ho-hum

im not familiar with the SS so maybe thats why im not buying into this much, ant-man's with the ultimates but spider-man's still with kitty? so much for DiB's timeline, the art was great but now that i now that lands a tracer it kind of ruins it for me it's great art but it feels stale or something now too bad i liked his art,

so maybe the people that end up not going home is the entire squadron supreme, wouldn't that throw a wrench in the works

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Not a fan of the Land art, but I had to, ummm, E-Byrne it for the Ultimates appearance.

Continuity? What continuity? I think the story just is and should probably be read that way, subtracting it out of Ultimates continuity altogether. I know this is supposed to be set between Ultimates 3 and 4 so that whatever character crosses over can show up in Ultimates 4, but I just don't believe it.
 
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It seems to be written that way, but it's advertised as just the opposite. As having a MAJOR impact on continuity and everything like that.

There's no excuse for sloppy continuity in any universe, let alone one that only has a couple hundred issues in it, almost a third of which were written by the guy writing this series.
 
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Joe Kalicki said:
It seems to be written that way, but it's advertised as just the opposite. As having a MAJOR impact on continuity and everything like that.

There's no excuse for sloppy continuity in any universe, let alone one that only has a couple hundred issues in it, almost a third of which were written by the guy writing this series.
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I think the excuse, if there is one, is that Ultimates V2 has taken so long to finish up that it piled up all the other titles into a continuity trainwreck. No one wanted to tie any other book into anything happening in Ultimates, because they'd either spoil a twist or get stuck waiting for the final issue of Ultimates.

It's also possible that the original plan was to place this between V3 and V4 of Ultimates and then, with V2 running so long, it just got moved up to between V2 and V3. Whatever character it is that crosses over will just sit in a training limbo (or one of Nick Fury's detention cells) until V4.
 
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Land's art has always bugged me, but this issue finally hit home what the problem is:

Every panel looks like the characters posed for a photagrapher. There is no natural and exciting motion in the shots. It's all style. Very pretty style, but not very evocative of action, motion, and emotion. It looks "posed."

I'd like Land if he just did cover art. That is supposed to be posed looking.
 
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ShaggyMarco said:
Land's art has always bugged me, but this issue finally hit home what the problem is:

Every panel looks like the characters posed for a photagrapher. There is no natural and exciting motion in the shots. It's all style. Very pretty style, but not very evocative of action, motion, and emotion. It looks "posed."
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Courtesy scans_daily:
http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/2691220.html#cutid1
http://community.livejournal.com/scans_daily/2689697.html#cutid1
 
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Ice said:
Uh...yeah, huh. In that panel, he had said "In the past year alone.." :?
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There's some leeway allowed there. After all, if we assume Ultimates Vol. 1 ended somewhere in the middle of 2003 (Ultimate time), and Vol. 2 picked up in 2004, it wouldn't be much more than a year that had passed. I can forgive him for not mentioning the exact amount of months or days that had passed in addition to the year. Honestly, thats just nitpicking. ;)

So, even with that ambiguous time reference, what Fury said still makes sense...least to me.

gemini-mk said:
im not familiar with the SS so maybe thats why im not buying into this much, ant-man's with the ultimates but spider-man's still with kitty? so much for DiB's timeline, the art was great but now that i now that lands a tracer it kind of ruins it for me it's great art but it feels stale or something now too bad i liked his art,
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Hey now, don't start doubting me yet. Nothing is set in stone with the timeline, so there's always room for adjustment. And I'm leaning more and more to believing this could take place after Ultimates 3 (even though it isn't close to out yet), and at the very least after Ultimates 2. Sure, the Triskelion is apparently rebuilt (after being destroyed in Ultimates 2), but thats not outside the realm of possibility. And if the Ant-Man featured in Ultimate Power isn't Pym (which is entirely possible), then it all would make sense. If this is the case, we can assume these three things happen between the conclusion of Ultimates 2 and the conclusion of Ultimates 3 (or maybe even the beginning of U3 if Loeb was mistaken or the story changed in some way):

- Hulk escapes after Ultimates 2 and is again on the loose

- The Triskelion is rebuilt (and looks exactly the same)

- SHIELD somehow used Pym's research to create a new Ant-Man (which may or may not be the Ultimate version of Scott Lang)


They're just theories right now, but in time we'll see how it shapes up.

Rhyo said:
Not a fan of the Land art, but I had to, ummm, E-Byrne it for the Ultimates appearance.

Continuity? What continuity? I think the story just is and should probably be read that way, subtracting it out of Ultimates continuity altogether.
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Its just in my genes to do exactly the opposite...I can't control it!

I know this is supposed to be set between Ultimates 3 and 4 so that whatever character crosses over can show up in Ultimates 4, but I just don't believe it.
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Agreeing with you there. I'm just having a hard time swallowing the fact that some Ultimates characters will no longer be a part of the Ultimate universe...and if they are transported to the Supreme-verse, that the consequences will be long-lasting...

Joe Kalicki said:
It seems to be written that way, but it's advertised as just the opposite. As having a MAJOR impact on continuity and everything like that.

There's no excuse for sloppy continuity in any universe, let alone one that only has a couple hundred issues in it, almost a third of which were written by the guy writing this series.
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I love you. Marry me. We can have the wedding in Massachusetts.


;)
 
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compound said:
It's your karma for turning a lesbian :wink:
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Indeed.

Interesting side-note...that former lesbian and I are dating again...what a strange, sordid life I lead. And I love every second of it. ;)

Anyway, back on topic.

The biggest thing so far with this series seems to be the lack of any real meat to the story (something I've noticed of Bendis' writing more and more the past couple years). Sure, its only two issues in, and there's still set-up that needs to be accomplished, but the pacing, logic, character motivation and dialogue are all severly lacking...sounds like your average, current day Bendis title.

I'll keep picking it up, because I'm an Ultimate completist, and I'm hoping it'll improve with Loeb and Straczynki's turns on the series, but so far I'm extremely non-plussed. And thats not even counting the apparently wonky continuity.
 
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I refuse to pass judgment on this story, till at least after five issue. Its too early start saying this story sucks. Beside, didn't the announcement of this story say that Bendis was only writting half of the story? It could very well get better after Bendis's run.


Side note: Hey DIrishB, I thought you'd like to know you name keeps popping up over at the SSH! board in the Ultimate Spider-Man Thread, in regards of your timeline. Some think your great, some not sure because they assume your just a fan with a lot of time on your hands.
 
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DIrishB said:
Hey now, don't start doubting me yet. Nothing is set in stone with the timeline, so there's always room for adjustment. And I'm leaning more and more to believing this could take place after Ultimates 3 (even though it isn't close to out yet), and at the very least after Ultimates 2. Sure, the Triskelion is apparently rebuilt (after being destroyed in Ultimates 2), but thats not outside the realm of possibility. And if the Ant-Man featured in Ultimate Power isn't Pym (which is entirely possible), then it all would make sense. If this is the case, we can assume these three things happen between the conclusion of Ultimates 2 and the conclusion of Ultimates 3 (or maybe even the beginning of U3 if L
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...But I posted the quote of them saying it does, as well as the link to the newsarama article. Doesn't anyone read my posts? :(
 
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the watcher said:
I refuse to pass judgment on this story, till at least after five issue. Its too early start saying this story sucks. Beside, didn't the announcement of this story say that Bendis was only writting half of the story? It could very well get better after Bendis's run.
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Bendis is only writing one more issue, then its Staczynski for 3 issues, then Loeb for the final three. I have more faith in the Straczynski and Loeb, but. . .I don't know where they could possibly go with this story.
 
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Lynx said:
Bendis is only writing one more issue, then its Staczynski for 3 issues, then Loeb for the final three. I have more faith in the Straczynski and Loeb, but. . .I don't know where they could possibly go with this story.
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I think that bendis starts well but finishes bad. So this may be a good start. I really like Lands art but I'll have to agree with the lack in differences with faces.
 
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the watcher said:
Side note: Hey DIrishB, I thought you'd like to know you name keeps popping up over at the SSH! board in the Ultimate Spider-Man Thread, in regards of your timeline. Some think your great, some not sure because they assume your just a fan with a lot of time on your hands.
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Both are true, honestly. I don't remember if I ever posted it over on that board, though. Probably.

In terms of a lot of time on my hands, though, thats a bit unfair. Like most other people, I work full-time, have a busy social life, etc. Its not like I spend all day every day working on this thing. Its been a slow work in progress, a little bit added or changed at a time...its just been in progress for about three years now. I don't know why I felt the need to justify that, just don't want people thinking I'm some pale, bleary-eyed freak poring over Ultimates issues in front of his computer.

Baxter said:
...But I posted the quote of them saying it does, as well as the link to the newsarama article. Doesn't anyone read my posts? :(
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Yes, Baxter, I saw that same interview awhile ago, not long after Ultimate Power was first announced. However, like I said, the plans could have changed between now and then.

Hibiki said:
I think that bendis starts well but finishes bad. So this may be a good start. I really like Lands art but I'll have to agree with the lack in differences with faces.
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Actually, in my opinion, this instance is a case of Bendis starting out poorly. Where he goes from here is anyone's guess, but it doesn't look good with him only on one more issue. It seems like his first three issues will just be filler and establishment until later (least I hope thats as bad as it gets).
 
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Yeah I left out how many were disappointed by this. I was thinking it though so at least we're on the same page. But Im enjoying it and other than the lack of fresher faces, Im still enjoying the art.
 
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Hibiki said:
Yeah I left out how many were disappointed by this. I was thinking it though so at least we're on the same page. But Im enjoying it and other than the lack of fresher faces, Im still enjoying the art.
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Fair enough. I did enjoy the second issue more than the first, so at least he's improving. ;)
 
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DIrishB said:
Yes, Baxter, I saw that same interview awhile ago, not long after Ultimate Power was first announced. However, like I said, the plans could have changed between now and then
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All I ask is to be acknowledged.
 
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