Ultimate Marvel Timeline / Chronology (v. 3.0)

SLIDING TIMELINE

HAS BEEN IMPLEMENTED!





First of all, thanks to CaptainCanuck65 for helping to solve the dreaded Ultimate Power continuity issues. His idea worked great (with some minor tinkering), and solved a lot of continuity problems.

This led to a pretty noticeable rearrangement of the recent Ultimate releases (the last several USM, UXM, and UFF arc, Ultimate Power no longer broken up and arranged differently, Squadron Supreme stuff moved earlier allowed for the Ultimate Power mini to be condensed on the timeline.

Also, by doing away with the specific years (which I'll admit, hurts a little), it leaves the timeline more open, allowing for specific dates in the books themselves without being tied down by them.

If anyone sees any mistakes or has any suggestions, please post them!


Enjoy!
 
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HOORAH!
i'm glad to have helped. I like it when stuff fits together like this. One question though...
Fury is in the Sentinels arc (he talks to Beast after he escapes). So it seems like that should take place before Ultimate Power. Is that you choosing the lesser of two evils b/c of something I missed?
 
also, it seems to me that certain events (like World War two or when the FF go back in time) should be given their appropriate times b/c the whole idea of a sliding timeline is that the present is the present for the reader, right? like for the modern reader of the Avengers (616) they are living in 2008 and the team got together in the 90s ish when in reality it happened in the 60s. But Captain America got frozen in ice in WWII and that is a fixed date. The sliding timeline works around that by making the time he was frozen in the ice longer rather than sliding that date with the rest of the timeline.
Does that make sense?

You can disagree, but in my opinion certain events should (or actually, they do) have fixed dates.
 
Interesting!!

Looks like it could be the best way to go!!

I'm, as always, impressed!!

So begins the frantic re-read of my collection hahaha !!!

Thanks mate :)
 
oh wait, you went with a "year zero" concept of the sliding timeline. I thought you were doing it all based on the present. In that case, never mind my fixed date thing doesn't matter.
 
captaincanuck65 said:
HOORAH!
i'm glad to have helped. I like it when stuff fits together like this. One question though...
Fury is in the Sentinels arc (he talks to Beast after he escapes). So it seems like that should take place before Ultimate Power. Is that you choosing the lesser of two evils b/c of something I missed?
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Kinda, in relation to the events going on in UXM, how they line up with USM, and the fact that Prof X is still alive in the Clone Saga arc. I'm still messing with it to make it work.

also, it seems to me that certain events (like World War two or when the FF go back in time) should be given their appropriate times b/c the whole idea of a sliding timeline is that the present is the present for the reader, right? like for the modern reader of the Avengers (616) they are living in 2008 and the team got together in the 90s ish when in reality it happened in the 60s. But Captain America got frozen in ice in WWII and that is a fixed date. The sliding timeline works around that by making the time he was frozen in the ice longer rather than sliding that date with the rest of the timeline.
Does that make sense?

You can disagree, but in my opinion certain events should (or actually, they do) have fixed dates.
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Eh, this is why I had such a hard time switching over to a sliding timeline. But at the same time, I don't want it to be a mismash of real dates and X Years Later time notations, because then it just gets confusing and makes it impossible to determine how much time actually passed between those WWII dates and current dates (if I have 1945 listed as 1945, how will we know how long after that the early issues of USM start in 1 Year Later dates?).

oh wait, you went with a "year zero" concept of the sliding timeline. I thought you were doing it all based on the present. In that case, never mind my fixed date thing doesn't matter.
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;)
 
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Well, it isn't going to be perfect (far from it) due to the conflicting appearances of Prof x showing up in USM in Clone Saga (even though he went to the future in Cable), Fury showing up in UXM's Sentinels arc, which must occur before Ultimate Power (since Fury's still there), and the whole Peter/Kitty relationship/break-up. There's no way (at least that I can see) that'll make everything work, so we're stuck with a continuity hiccup.
 
captaincanuck65 said:
DIrishB, have you seen this?
http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.2781.The_Ultimate~colon~_Brian_Bendis_on_Spidey

looks like the USM videogame stays in continuity after all!
:D
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Yup, heard about it a few months ago (its been listed on the timeline for awhile). ;)

Apparently, the first 3 issues will serve as a flashback and adapt the events in the game, and the last three issues will tell the present day portion of the story (I guess the War of the Symbiotes--the fight between Venom and Carnage).

When its released I'll add them into the timeline as needed.



In other timeline news, I'm still trying to figure out the whole Ultimate Power, USM Clone Saga, UXM Cable-Sentinels arcs thing. I'm thinking that if the early scene in UXM Sentinels (with Beast and Fury) can be split up from the rest of the comic, then that should fix the problem. Just have to check them at home in terms of page numbering.
 
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DIrishB said:
In other timeline news, I'm still trying to figure out the whole Ultimate Power, USM Clone Saga, UXM Cable-Sentinels arcs thing. I'm thinking that if the early scene in UXM Sentinels (with Beast and Fury) can be split up from the rest of the comic, then that should fix the problem. Just have to check them at home in terms of page numbering.
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I have just been rereading sentinels, the Fury and Beast part references Xavier's death and beast says hes been asking for fury for two or three weeks...other than that i don't feel there is any reason it can't be moved to two to three weeks after the "death"
 
Been working on the whole Ultimate Power placement (some more), and I think the way its listed now is the best it can be. Let me know what you think.


Mattimeo84 said:
I have just been rereading sentinels, the Fury and Beast part references Xavier's death and beast says hes been asking for fury for two or three weeks...other than that i don't feel there is any reason it can't be moved to two to three weeks after the "death"
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"Cliffhangers", you mean? ;) But yeah, I agree.
 
Joe Kalicki said:
That's exactly what I'm going to do, with the exception of "frozen" dates that won't change, such as the Tunguska Event and Cap's adventures.

I should be done by in March, or maybe April. I'm going to put in a link to this version of the timeline, since mine actually looks nothing like it and serves a different purpose (it's more like the Star Trek Chronology), so you should go ahead and update this.
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I don't know about Tunguska. We know that the date placed in UU and the IRL date was different to make it occur 100 years before the Gah Lak Tus event.
 
I think I did it.

I think I fixed the Ultimate Power problem.

It'd been gnawing at me for awhile, and I just couldn't figure out a way to reconcile it all. I finally got around to forcing myself to read through Ultimate Power again, but am glad I did so: not because I enjoyed the story, but because I was able to put the context of Spidey & Kitty's relationship in that book with their current relationship as friends in USM. I figured after the break up, they wouldn't be friendly, so assumed their demeanors in Ultimate Power indicated they were still dating and thus, Ultimate Power occurred before USM's Clone Saga arc. But with the recent Amazing Friends story in USM, and Kitty dating Kong, and Peter still getting along with both, opens up the possibility Ultimate Power occurs after the Peter/Kitty break-up, but long enough after they're on friendly terms again. I just assume the "I love this girl" line by Peter in Ultimate Power was a half-serious response to her calling in the X-Men during the fight with the Squadron in issue 2. I also just ignore the fact that this improvement in their relationship thats reflected in Ultimate Power doesn't occur in the USM title itself until after UP occurs. Oh well, can't win them all. And ignoring the way Peter and Kitty react to each other in Ultimate Power is far easier than the other continuity problems trying to position it otherwise results in.

Anyway, this also causes the recent UXM stories to be pushed back before Ultimate Power (which works since Fury is still appearing in UXM through the Sentinels arc), which still works assuming sometime in the near future the team reforms with Cyclops, Jean, Wolverine, Storm, Rogue, and Bobby (as appeared in Ultimate Power). It no doubt will once the Apocalypse/Ultimatum stuff is over. This also works well with Marvel's intended plans, with Ultimate Power acting as a prequel to Ultimates 3 and Ultimatum.

Interestingly enough, with the exception of Ultimates 3, USM seems the most advanced in terms of continuity/timeline in relation to the other titles (or at least UXM specifically). Fury has been missing from USM since the Death of a Goblin arc, while he's still appeared in the UXM Sentinels arc.

Please, anyone who's interested, check my work, make sure I didn't screw up (its likely given this problem...took keeping track of a lot of different plot threads through a lot of different recent Ultimate books).

But as it stands, I think I fixed it.
 
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I just recently bought the UP Hardcover (I know....) and it has some continuity stuff in the back of the book. According to UP Itself, it would seem, the whole mess happens just after clone saga, before Spidey has "officially" broken up with Kitty. (He's obviously just putting it off). You probably want to ignore this entire post, now that I think about it.

But the "I want my money back!" nearly made it enjoyable.
 
Pearl said:
I just recently bought the UP Hardcover (I know....) and it has some continuity stuff in the back of the book. According to UP Itself, it would seem, the whole mess happens just after clone saga, before Spidey has "officially" broken up with Kitty. (He's obviously just putting it off). You probably want to ignore this entire post, now that I think about it.

But the "I want my money back!" nearly made it enjoyable.
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Wow. They explicitly state when it takes place in the HC? Thats interesting. Its too bad the writers didn't bother to pay attention to that.
 
DIrishB said:
Wow. They explicitly state when it takes place in the HC? Thats interesting. Its too bad the writers didn't bother to pay attention to that.
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i assume you put Ultimate Power after Ultimate Knights b/c Ultimate Knights states that Fury has come out in support of Spidey, Spidey says he will sic Fury on the Knights if they kill King Pin, and King Pin doesn't want to run Spidey's prints b/c Fury has him tagged.

i think this can be explained by SHIELD trying to cover up Fury's absence, Spidey is bluffing (he pretends he doesn't know where Fury is with Carol Danvers in the Death of a Goblin), and King Pin isn't aware that Fury isn't around.

Kitty is still mad at Peter at the beginning of Death of a Goblin so it doesn't make sense that they would be buddy buddy in Ultimate Power.

also Spidey asks comments on Kitty's new costume and says it's cool she is doing Superhero stuff again (so it has to take place before Apocalypse)

i think this order makes more sense

Ultimate Spider-Man #97, "Clone Saga, Part 1"
Ultimate Spider-Man #98, "Clone Saga, Part 2"
Ultimate Spider-Man #99, "Clone Saga, Part 3"
Ultimate Spider-Man #100, "Clone Saga, Part 4"
Ultimate Spider-Man #101, "Clone Saga, Part 5"
Ultimate Spider-Man #102, "Clone Saga, Part 6"
Ultimate Spider-Man #103, "Clone Saga, Part 7"
Ultimate Spider-Man #104, "Clone Saga, Part 8"
Ultimate Spider-Man #105, "Clone Saga, Epilogue" (pg. 1-18 )
Ultimate X-Men #75, "Extracurricular" (pg. 24-31, 23, 32-34) (Back-Up Story)
Ultimate X-Men #75, "Cable, Part 1" (pg. 1-22)
Ultimate X-Men #76, "Cable, Part 2"
Ultimate X-Men #77, "Cable, Part 3"
Ultimate X-Men #78, "Cable, Conclusion"
Ultimate X-Men #79, "Aftermath, Part 1"
Ultimate X-Men #80, "Aftermath, Part 2" (pg. 1-19)
Ultimate X-Men #81, "Cliffhangers"
Ultimate X-Men #82, "The Underneath, Part 1"
Ultimate X-Men #83, "The Underneath, Part 2"
Ultimate X-Men #84, "Sentinels, Part 1"
Ultimate X-Men #85, "Sentinels, Part 2"
Ultimate X-Men #86, "Sentinels, Part 3"
Ultimate X-Men #87, "Sentinels, Part 4"
Ultimate X-Men #88, "Sentinels, Epilogue" (pg. 4-20)
Ultimate Power #1 (pg. 1-18 )
Ultimate Power #3 (pg. 1-14)
Ultimate Power #1 (pg. 19-22)
Ultimate Power #2
Ultimate Power #3 (pg. 15-22)
Ultimate Power #4 (pg. 1-9)
Ultimate Power #4 (pg. 10-22)
Ultimate Power #5
Ultimate Power #6
Ultimate Power #7
Ultimate Power #8
Ultimate Power #9 (pg. 1-21)
Ultimate Power #9 (pg. 22-23)
Ultimate Spider-Man #105, "Clone Saga, Epilogue" (pg. 19-23)
Ultimate Spider-Man #106, "Ultimate Knights, Part 1"
Ultimate Spider-Man #107, "Ultimate Knights, Part 2"
Ultimate Spider-Man #108, "Ultimate Knights, Part 3"
Ultimate Spider-Man #109, "Ultimate Knights, Part 4"
Ultimate Spider-Man #110, "Ultimate Knights, Conclusion"
Ultimate Spider-Man #111, "The Talk"
Ultimate Spider-Man #112, "Death of a Goblin, Part 1"
Ultimate Spider-Man #113, "Death of a Goblin, Part 2"
Ultimate Spider-Man #114, "Death of a Goblin, Part 3"
Ultimate Spider-Man #115, "Death of a Goblin, Part 4"
Ultimate Spider-Man #116, "Death of a Goblin, Part 5"
Ultimate Spider-Man #117, "Death of a Goblin, Part 6"
Ultimate Spider-Man #118, "Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends, Part 1"
Ultimate Spider-Man #119, "Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends, Part 2"
Ultimate Spider-Man #120, "Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends, Part 3"**
Ultimate X-Men #89, "Shadow King"
Ultimate X-Men #90, "Apocalypse, Part 1"
Ultimate X-Men #91, "Apocalypse, Part 2"
Ultimate X-Men #92, "Apocalypse, Part 3"**
Ultimate X-Men #93, "Apocalypse, Part 4"**

with UFF inserted as appropriate

anyway, those are my thoughts.

what do you think?
 
captaincanuck65 said:
i assume you put Ultimate Power after Ultimate Knights b/c Ultimate Knights states that Fury has come out in support of Spidey, Spidey says he will sic Fury on the Knights if they kill King Pin, and King Pin doesn't want to run Spidey's prints b/c Fury has him tagged.

i think this can be explained by SHIELD trying to cover up Fury's absence, Spidey is bluffing (he pretends he doesn't know where Fury is with Carol Danvers in the Death of a Goblin), and King Pin isn't aware that Fury isn't around.

Kitty is still mad at Peter at the beginning of Death of a Goblin so it doesn't make sense that they would be buddy buddy in Ultimate Power.

also Spidey asks comments on Kitty's new costume and says it's cool she is doing Superhero stuff again (so it has to take place before Apocalypse)

i think this order makes more sense

Ultimate Spider-Man #97, "Clone Saga, Part 1"
Ultimate Spider-Man #98, "Clone Saga, Part 2"
Ultimate Spider-Man #99, "Clone Saga, Part 3"
Ultimate Spider-Man #100, "Clone Saga, Part 4"
Ultimate Spider-Man #101, "Clone Saga, Part 5"
Ultimate Spider-Man #102, "Clone Saga, Part 6"
Ultimate Spider-Man #103, "Clone Saga, Part 7"
Ultimate Spider-Man #104, "Clone Saga, Part 8"
Ultimate Spider-Man #105, "Clone Saga, Epilogue" (pg. 1-18 )
Ultimate X-Men #75, "Extracurricular" (pg. 24-31, 23, 32-34) (Back-Up Story)
Ultimate X-Men #75, "Cable, Part 1" (pg. 1-22)
Ultimate X-Men #76, "Cable, Part 2"
Ultimate X-Men #77, "Cable, Part 3"
Ultimate X-Men #78, "Cable, Conclusion"
Ultimate X-Men #79, "Aftermath, Part 1"
Ultimate X-Men #80, "Aftermath, Part 2" (pg. 1-19)
Ultimate X-Men #81, "Cliffhangers"
Ultimate X-Men #82, "The Underneath, Part 1"
Ultimate X-Men #83, "The Underneath, Part 2"
Ultimate X-Men #84, "Sentinels, Part 1"
Ultimate X-Men #85, "Sentinels, Part 2"
Ultimate X-Men #86, "Sentinels, Part 3"
Ultimate X-Men #87, "Sentinels, Part 4"
Ultimate X-Men #88, "Sentinels, Epilogue" (pg. 4-20)
Ultimate Power #1 (pg. 1-18 )
Ultimate Power #3 (pg. 1-14)
Ultimate Power #1 (pg. 19-22)
Ultimate Power #2
Ultimate Power #3 (pg. 15-22)
Ultimate Power #4 (pg. 1-9)
Ultimate Power #4 (pg. 10-22)
Ultimate Power #5
Ultimate Power #6
Ultimate Power #7
Ultimate Power #8
Ultimate Power #9 (pg. 1-21)
Ultimate Power #9 (pg. 22-23)
Ultimate Spider-Man #105, "Clone Saga, Epilogue" (pg. 19-23)
Ultimate Spider-Man #106, "Ultimate Knights, Part 1"
Ultimate Spider-Man #107, "Ultimate Knights, Part 2"
Ultimate Spider-Man #108, "Ultimate Knights, Part 3"
Ultimate Spider-Man #109, "Ultimate Knights, Part 4"
Ultimate Spider-Man #110, "Ultimate Knights, Conclusion"
Ultimate Spider-Man #111, "The Talk"
Ultimate Spider-Man #112, "Death of a Goblin, Part 1"
Ultimate Spider-Man #113, "Death of a Goblin, Part 2"
Ultimate Spider-Man #114, "Death of a Goblin, Part 3"
Ultimate Spider-Man #115, "Death of a Goblin, Part 4"
Ultimate Spider-Man #116, "Death of a Goblin, Part 5"
Ultimate Spider-Man #117, "Death of a Goblin, Part 6"
Ultimate Spider-Man #118, "Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends, Part 1"
Ultimate Spider-Man #119, "Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends, Part 2"
Ultimate Spider-Man #120, "Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends, Part 3"**
Ultimate X-Men #89, "Shadow King"
Ultimate X-Men #90, "Apocalypse, Part 1"
Ultimate X-Men #91, "Apocalypse, Part 2"
Ultimate X-Men #92, "Apocalypse, Part 3"**
Ultimate X-Men #93, "Apocalypse, Part 4"**

with UFF inserted as appropriate

anyway, those are my thoughts.

what do you think?
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I think you're onto something, and its something I've been wondering about too. I'm basically waiting for the results of the UXM Apocalypse arc, wondering how the team stands at the end of that arc to see if it makes sense to place even the UXM Apocalypse arc before Ultimate Power. I'm thinking that including the Apocalypse arc just before Ultimate Power, and then most likely placing the following UXM arc (#94-97, written by Aron Eli Coleite) sometime after UP.

I'm gonna go ahead and change it now, since your order just makes more sense overall. Thanks man, good catch!

I swear, nothing else has provided more head-ache and rearrangment of the Ultimate timeline than Ultimate Power.
 
DIrishB said:
I'm basically waiting for the results of the UXM Apocalypse arc, wondering how the team stands at the end of that arc to see if it makes sense to place even the UXM Apocalypse arc before Ultimate Power. I'm thinking that including the Apocalypse arc just before Ultimate Power, and then most likely placing the following UXM arc (#94-97, written by Aron Eli Coleite) sometime after UP.
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cool, but Apocalypse needs to be AFTER Death of a Goblin b/c Kitty starts wearing her new costume at the beginning of Death of a Goblin and she is wearing it in Apocalypse.
 
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