Ultimate Marvel Timeline / Chronology (v. 3.0)

[Nurhachi]

I believe this kind of evidence in the comic itself and the statement by Mark Millar saying that UFF came first, along with the way it seems to fit well in the timeline is enough to believe that the origin was meant to take place in the Ultimate Universe's 2002.

The only things that made me doubt it is the Handbook and what Stuart said (since he communicates with the writers or editors or whatever)

It seems that when UFF started, since Millar wrote it, he decided he wanted it to take place before any other title. Hence him saying it on his message board. Though at this point it wasnt concrete because it hadnt been said in the comic. Until its in the comic it can be changed

Then when Ellis started, im guessing Ellis considered the UFF origin happened only recently, well after Spidey, Ultimates and X-Men, which is why, it had it that way in the handbook and with what Stuart said.

Then Millar again wrote UFF and now decided to concrete the UFF's placement, as happening before everything else, in the latest issue

 

[DIrishB]

I'm still not convinced. Two years ago would be 2004, not 2002 (and yes, I realize as far as your timeline is concerned, the ultimate universe is still in '04).
This really does nothing to confirm whether or not the FF have been around before the rest of the superhero community, just that they've been around for two years...remember, the Ultimates themselves have been around for just about 2 years now also (according to that series).

Actually, at this point, the Ultimates have been around for only ONE year, not two. Once Ultimates 3 picks up, they'll have been around for two years. Remember Ultimates 2 picks up a year after the first series, and Ultimates 3 will pick up a year after that. Combined with the fact the current President Thor arc in UFF must occur before Ultimates 2 due to Thor's appearance in #27 (and I'm not talking about the alternate reality...I'm talking about the party where Johnny convinces Ben to show up in drag). Throw in only about a year passing in USM...my timeline's accuracy shouldn't be questioned taking all that into account.

Forgetting even that, the Ultimate universe has always been screwed up in regards to concrete amounts of time (Ultimate Spider-Man has caught up with Ultimates 2 and Ultimate X-Men and yet he's still only had powers for less than a year...?).

The timeline works the way its set up...it was 9 months at the beginning of Hobgoblin...by now a year could've passed easily.

Do me a favor...actually LOOK at the timeline before saying you don't think it works, ok?

I believe this kind of evidence in the comic itself and the statement by Mark Millar saying that UFF came first, along with the way it seems to fit well in the timeline is enough to believe that the origin was meant to take place in the Ultimate Universe's 2002.

Exactly.

I can't really say much about it as I haven't read the issue and won't until it comes out in trade, but I doubt it truly confirms the date, however, this is probably the best way to see the stories taking place. Sure there are continuity glitches throughout the small universe, but what is the best way to keep them to a minimum? I'd say categorizing them to this timeline. When did they say Spidey has only had his powers for less than a year? If it was after Warriors then it is a glitch (and I haven't read it), but before that, using this timeline, it is possible that he hadn't have his powers for a year (I think).

Again...exactly. The "9 months" mention happened at the beginning of Hobgoblin...taking into account the events of Warriors and the Annual, it easily could have been a year passed.

 

[Mavrick889]

Actually, at this point, the Ultimates have been around for only ONE year, not two. Once Ultimates 3 picks up, they'll have been around for two years. Remember Ultimates 2 picks up a year after the first series, and Ultimates 3 will pick up a year after that. Combined with the fact the current President Thor arc in UFF must occur before Ultimates 2 due to Thor's appearance in #27 (and I'm not talking about the alternate reality...I'm talking about the party where Johnny convinces Ben to show up in drag). Throw in only about a year passing in USM...my timeline's accuracy shouldn't be questioned taking all that into account.

Bruce Banner states, at the end of Ultimates 2 # 3 that he's been with the Ultimates for 18 months. So, depsite the fact that a year passes between 1 and 2, volume 1 spans about 6 months. So it's been well over a year by this point in the Ultimates 2.

Forgetting even that, the Ultimate universe has always been screwed up in regards to concrete amounts of time (Ultimate Spider-Man has caught up with Ultimates 2 and Ultimate X-Men and yet he's still only had powers for less than a year...?).


The timeline works the way its set up...it was 9 months at the beginning of Hobgoblin...by now a year could've passed easily.

Do me a favor...actually LOOK at the timeline before saying you don't think it works, ok?

Hey, hey. Come on now. I have read your timeline. However, Bendis himself has said that the forthcoming # 100 will also mark the one year anniversary (for Peter) of his powers.

 

[DIrishB]

Bruce Banner states, at the end of Ultimates 2 # 3 that he's been with the Ultimates for 18 months. So, depsite the fact that a year passes between 1 and 2, volume 1 spans about 6 months. So it's been well over a year by this point in the Ultimates 2.

You're right, but that still doesn't affect how the timeline is set up. I'm not seeing the problem. Unless of course at some point later on it states USM has been going on less than a year. Like I said before, its basically impossible to set up the timeline without any discrepancies. The exact time placements is one of those.

Hey, hey. Come on now. I have read your timeline. However, Bendis himself has said that the forthcoming # 100 will also mark the one year anniversary (for Peter) of his powers.

I wouldn't take anything Bendis says at face value, especially regarding timeline issues. If it does end up being a year in #100, then it'll have to be chalked up to Bendis not paying attention to the rest of the Ultimate timeline. Keep in mind, three months passed between the first USM arc and USM #14 (Henry Pym tells Doc Ock he's been out for 3 months), then another two month time jump during the Carnage arc puts us at at least 5 months...not even taking into account all the time passing in the other issues. There was also another significant time jump (4 months I think) at the end of the Hollywod arc, which if I remember correctly when it all added up it equaled 9 months passing...just in terms of time passing that we didn't see in the issues. Add in all the stuff we did see, and the events of the video game, and its pretty obvious Bendis is contradicting himself in terms of his USM timeline. Therefore, when placing stuff on the timeline, I do use time references in the comic itself, but more importantly I use events as markers, for instance the Peter/Kitty relationship, or Peter losing his costume after the Venom arc, etc. For the most part the other Ultimate comics do a good job of following their own timelines (really The Ultimates, in terms of strict adherence to time passing) without discrepancies.

I think knowing that you'll understand my placements better.

 

[DIrishB]

Re: Coming in October: "Ultimate Power".

So I've been slowly reading through Supreme Power, getting a timeline set up for it. I've decided that it has to be included in the timeline even though its an alternate universe (like Marvel Zombies). But I wanted to ask you all a question regarding the timeline. Basically, does anyone have a suggestion as to how I should set it up? I could just insert it into the existing timeline I suppose, but given its an alternate universe should I mark it in some way, etc? What would you all like to see?

 

[Dr_Draco]

So I've been slowly reading through Supreme Power, getting a timeline set up for it. I've decided that it has to be included in the timeline even though its an alternate universe (like Marvel Zombies). But I wanted to ask you all a question regarding the timeline. Basically, does anyone have a suggestion as to how I should set it up? I could just insert it into the existing timeline I suppose, but given its an alternate universe should I mark it in some way, etc? What would you all like to see?

Thought it would be better to answer the question here, though it probably doesn't matter which thread I asnwered in...

Anyhow, I think you should just include it in the regular time-line. You have Marvel Zombies included in the main timeline, so I figure it would make sense to do the same with Supreme Power.

I think it helps in a way too, by showing that Event-X occured in the Supremeverse around the same time Event-Y happened in the Ultimate Universe.

 

[Lynx]

Re: Coming in October: "Ultimate Power".

So I've been slowly reading through Supreme Power, getting a timeline set up for it. I've decided that it has to be included in the timeline even though its an alternate universe (like Marvel Zombies). But I wanted to ask you all a question regarding the timeline. Basically, does anyone have a suggestion as to how I should set it up? I could just insert it into the existing timeline I suppose, but given its an alternate universe should I mark it in some way, etc? What would you all like to see?

How did you insert Marvel Zombies in? That should be the way you do it with Supreme Power. It'd be neat if you could have columns next to each other, to show them being parallel universes, and then get rid of the columns during the crossover, but I guess that's not possible.

I love Babylon 5 and Crusade, but every week it gets harder to like JMS. Amazing Spider-Man is awful. Bullet Points or whatever its called sounds inherently flawed. I just keep saying, "B5" to myself again and again.

Funny, I never liked B5. Still, Supreme Power has always been very good. Hyperion was a little lacking until the last two issues, although the new characters (Burbank, Arcanna, Shape and Nuke) were written very well. SS seems to be off to a good start as well.

 

[DIrishB]

Thought it would be better to answer the question here, though it probably doesn't matter which thread I asnwered in...

Anyhow, I think you should just include it in the regular time-line. You have Marvel Zombies included in the main timeline, so I figure it would make sense to do the same with Supreme Power.

I think it helps in a way too, by showing that Event-X occured in the Supremeverse around the same time Event-Y happened in the Ultimate Universe.

Thats what I was thinking, but I was also weighing the other side of it and the confusion it might cause...but I'm thinking thats probably the best way. However, I also wanted to know if I should mark it in a specific way...just to denote it takes place in an alternate universe.

 

[Dr_Draco]

Yeah, I don't see why you couldn't mark it. Just put like a symbol after the title, then explain it at the bottom.

 

[E]

Re: Coming in October: "Ultimate Power".

So I've been slowly reading through Supreme Power, getting a timeline set up for it. I've decided that it has to be included in the timeline even though its an alternate universe (like Marvel Zombies). But I wanted to ask you all a question regarding the timeline. Basically, does anyone have a suggestion as to how I should set it up? I could just insert it into the existing timeline I suppose, but given its an alternate universe should I mark it in some way, etc? What would you all like to see?

See, I wouldn't add it. I would suggest only adding the parts that cross over with the UU.

 

[cmdrjanjalani]

Re: Coming in October: "Ultimate Power".

See, I wouldn't add it. I would suggest only adding the parts that cross over with the UU.

I agree. If you want you can add a separate timeline for the SP Universe. We don't know if the events in SP and SS happen in parallel with the UU (not to mention it is debatable that it is even parallel from the possibility of relativity in time), and just add the part of the SS meeting the UU and linking that with the UU timeline. Marvel Zombies is different because it was a spin-off.

 

[DIrishB]

Re: Coming in October: "Ultimate Power".

How did you insert Marvel Zombies in? That should be the way you do it with Supreme Power. It'd be neat if you could have columns next to each other, to show them being parallel universes, and then get rid of the columns during the crossover, but I guess that's not possible.

With Marvel Zombies I inserted it where is mainly because it was the first and only alternate reality story at the time, so confusion would be kept to a minimum. With the Supreme Power series, with its spanning from the late 1970's to present day, the entries are spread out over a larger area.

I was thinking the same thing about the columns, but given its a message board, alas, its impossible.

Anyway, I'll be adding them in as I did with Marvel Zombies. I'll post in the timeline thread when its done.

See, I wouldn't add it. I would suggest only adding the parts that cross over with the UU.

But that would drive me crazy...you know, not being complete and all.

I agree. If you want you can add a separate timeline for the SP Universe. We don't know if the events in SP and SS happen in parallel with the UU (not to mention it is debatable that it is even parallel from the possibility of relativity in time), and just add the part of the SS meeting the UU and linking that with the UU timeline. Marvel Zombies is different because it was a spin-off.

While Marvel Zombies is a spin-off, its still pretty much the same situation as Supreme Power in terms of the alternate universe deal. I have to use the same rules in terms of placements, which is why I think Supreme Power should be included in the present timeline. However, I do want to denote its occuring in an alternate universe, so I was asking how people thought I should go about it?

 

[Ice]

Re: Coming in October: "Ultimate Power".

Well, if you do at it, why not just have the SP parts in a total different color than everything else, and explain that the ones in that certain color happens during an alternate reality?

Just throwin somethin out there.

 

[DIrishB]

Re: Coming in October: "Ultimate Power".

Well, if you do at it, why not just have the SP parts in a total different color than everything else, and explain that the ones in that certain color happens during an alternate reality?

Just throwin somethin out there.

Thats what I've been thinking of doing.

And in terms of including the Supreme Power (and now Squadron Supreme) series in the Ultimate timeline, another reason I think this is the way to go is the "lasting effects" the Ultimate Power crossover will have on each universe. I know the details are very sketchy at the moment, but if these lasting effects do hold true, I think SP is pretty much required in terms of the timeline.

 

[DIrishB]

Well...its done. I've added in the Squadron Supreme series and minis to the timeline. To differentiate between the regular Ultimate titles and the alternate universe titles (SP and Marvel Zombies), anything which takes place in an alternate reality to the Ultimate universe is marked in italics.

I'm not sure if I'll keep the timelines condensed or if I'll break them up, at least until Ultimate Power comes out and I get an idea of just how big the "lasting effects" of this crossover will be on each universe. Anyway, for the time being, let me know what you think.

 

[Nurhachi]

Well...its done. I've added in the Squadron Supreme series and minis to the timeline. To differentiate between the regular Ultimate titles and the alternate universe titles (SP and Marvel Zombies), anything which takes place in an alternate reality to the Ultimate universe is marked in italics.

I'm not sure if I'll keep the timelines condensed or if I'll break them up, at least until Ultimate Power comes out and I get an idea of just how big the "lasting effects" of this crossover will be on each universe. Anyway, for the time being, let me know what you think.

Why is the Nighthawk series places between SP #6 and 7? I would have thought it would be after #18

 

[DIrishB]

Why is the Nighthawk series places between SP #6 and 7? I would have thought it would be after #18

Nope, according to the "Saga of the Squadron Supreme" (which was a sourcebook type deal which recapped the SP series, as well as the minis), the Nighthawk mini occurs a little while before Nighthawk and Hyperion first meet in Supreme Power #6.

There is also nothing in the Nighthawk mini which would indicate it occurs after SP.

 

[Nurhachi]

Nope, according to the "Saga of the Squadron Supreme" (which was a sourcebook type deal which recapped the SP series, as well as the minis), the Nighthawk mini occurs a little while before Nighthawk and Hyperion first meet in Supreme Power #6.

There is also nothing in the Nighthawk mini which would indicate it occurs after SP.

Shaweeet. Thanks for clearing that up

 

[DIrishB]

Shaweeet. Thanks for clearing that up

Thats what I'm here for.

 

[Nurhachi]

I'm pretty sure N-Zone (where the FF go public) should go after "popular" and "meet me" (Where Spidey first meets Human Torch.)