Ice
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Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!
I wonder who wrote the script.... Hmm...
But golly-willickers.
I wonder who wrote the script.... Hmm...
The strike is OVER. The S is O!!
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ourchair
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Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!
And the directors and actors get paid for that.
You know, that thing the writers want?
Well, they don't really have much to strike about. Even the lowliest NFL player can find a company willing to sign a million dollar endorsement deal. "For good times, make it Suntory time."
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And the directors and actors get paid for that.
You know, that thing the writers want?
Ice
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Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!
But would there even be a show to view online (or anywhere period) without a writer to write it? No.
Random
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You see contracts like this help insure workers gets rights, like in case of injuries or illness. The percentage of post theater profits helps writers get money in case they can't get a job writing or something. It's a back up to help them in case they fall on hard times. Now this is what you're flat out not getting THEY ARE NOT ASKING FOR MORE MONEY!!!! A percentage of their incomes were coming from video sales, now at the time of the original contract, it only stated videos because NO ONE saw something like DVD's or the internet coming. So now actually think about this, dvds and the internet are becoming much more prominent and soon NO ONE will be buying video cassettes. Now all that money they rightfully have a claim for is gone. THEY ARE LOSING MONEY. Their pay is cut because of a simple technicality.
They don't all the sudden want a percentage, they've already earned their rights to have that percentage, just the wording wasn't contemporary. You're saying they should just suck it up and do their jobs, but guess what they have a choice whether or not to work and 90% of them agreed not to work until the AMPTP lets them get this one thing.
Now just carefully read what I wrote in this post about how they already got that % of pay, but because of unpredictable advancements in technology they stopped getting that money they SHOULD have. Now that "SHOULD" there is not me saying they should get more money, but the money they were getting but just aren't now.
Seriously mole, your not getting this. They were being pay a certain percentage for post theater medias. They're old contract stated video cause no one at the time conceived of things like the internet. Now the writers were getting screwed over, did they strike then? No! The waited until when the old contract was about to expire, the negotiated with the Alliance of Motion Picture and Television Producers, the AMPTP would not budge on this issue. So they decided to strike once the old contract expired. THEY DID NOT STOP WORKING IN MID CONTRACT!!!!! Right now there is no contract.
And this anology? Completely wrong. It be more like a doctor gets paid for taking care of a disease, now that disease has mutated and because of wording in a contract you signed twenty years ago you do not get paid for treating that version of the disease. Because of this you're losing a lot of money you need. So when times come for a new contract and you boss refuse to budge usually you quit and work at another hospitable. For writers there's not another AMPTP you can work for, any job you get will be very cheap and lack ANY benefits.
You see contracts like this help insure workers gets rights, like in case of injuries or illness. The percentage of post theater profits helps writers get money in case they can't get a job writing or something. It's a back up to help them in case they fall on hard times. Now this is what you're flat out not getting THEY ARE NOT ASKING FOR MORE MONEY!!!! A percentage of their incomes were coming from video sales, now at the time of the original contract, it only stated videos because NO ONE saw something like DVD's or the internet coming. So now actually think about this, dvds and the internet are becoming much more prominent and soon NO ONE will be buying video cassettes. Now all that money they rightfully have a claim for is gone. THEY ARE LOSING MONEY. Their pay is cut because of a simple technicality.
They don't all the sudden want a percentage, they've already earned their rights to have that percentage, just the wording wasn't contemporary. You're saying they should just suck it up and do their jobs, but guess what they have a choice whether or not to work and 90% of them agreed not to work until the AMPTP lets them get this one thing.
No script=no movie. Simple as that.
Now just carefully read what I wrote in this post about how they already got that % of pay, but because of unpredictable advancements in technology they stopped getting that money they SHOULD have. Now that "SHOULD" there is not me saying they should get more money, but the money they were getting but just aren't now.
Lynx
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Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!
The entire NHL went on strike several years ago. And the MLB have threatened to go on strike before as well.
The entire NHL went on strike several years ago. And the MLB have threatened to go on strike before as well.
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Dancanread
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Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!
Hey, let's all work our way up to being Mole's boss wherever he works! Then we can add a rider to his contract so HE has to pay US twice his previous salary every week! He won't do a damn thing!
49% of the WGA are unemployed at any given time. The majority of them are strictly middle class and below. They are fighting to be able to just make a decent living in a situation that was absolutely unforseeable just 10 years ago. They're not jonesing a second Porsche.
The reason I'm harping on this Mole, since you ask, is that as an avid consumer of these writers' product, as we all are here, it seems a little... cold and unappreciative of what these people do for you, and their right to make a living doing what they do. That you would sympathize instead with the small handful of gatrillionaires at the head of the studios who are ACTUALLY money grubbers and would love nothing more than to keep their piles and piles of money if they just didn't have to deal with all these annoying "actors" and "writers" and "directors" and "crew members" all the time.
Should garbagemen, taxi drivers, janitors, TEACHERS, all be getting more money for what they do? Absolutely. This has nothing to do with them. They all fight when they feel they're being treated unfairly. They all fight to be able to make a living doing what they've chosen to do. To be treated equitably. This is no different.
Hey, let's all work our way up to being Mole's boss wherever he works! Then we can add a rider to his contract so HE has to pay US twice his previous salary every week! He won't do a damn thing!
49% of the WGA are unemployed at any given time. The majority of them are strictly middle class and below. They are fighting to be able to just make a decent living in a situation that was absolutely unforseeable just 10 years ago. They're not jonesing a second Porsche.
The reason I'm harping on this Mole, since you ask, is that as an avid consumer of these writers' product, as we all are here, it seems a little... cold and unappreciative of what these people do for you, and their right to make a living doing what they do. That you would sympathize instead with the small handful of gatrillionaires at the head of the studios who are ACTUALLY money grubbers and would love nothing more than to keep their piles and piles of money if they just didn't have to deal with all these annoying "actors" and "writers" and "directors" and "crew members" all the time.
Should garbagemen, taxi drivers, janitors, TEACHERS, all be getting more money for what they do? Absolutely. This has nothing to do with them. They all fight when they feel they're being treated unfairly. They all fight to be able to make a living doing what they've chosen to do. To be treated equitably. This is no different.
Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!
Sorry, but this argument makes no sense to me whatsoever. So what do you tell the people that have now lost their jobs and aren't getting paid ANYTHING? And they aren't even *****ing about anything!
It's a greedy move, plain and simple, and Mole is absolutely right - there is no concern or care for these people on behalf of the writers.
Sorry, but this argument makes no sense to me whatsoever. So what do you tell the people that have now lost their jobs and aren't getting paid ANYTHING? And they aren't even *****ing about anything!
It's a greedy move, plain and simple, and Mole is absolutely right - there is no concern or care for these people on behalf of the writers.
Ice
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Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!
You can call it a greedy move all you want, but it's a move they had to make to make sure they were getting what they should be getting. No one could have forseen people getting fired. Now what would you do if you fought for something you thought you deserved, and someone ended getting fired because of it?
What if say, you asked for a raise. Your boss says okay, no problem. You got it because he thinks you really deserve it. But in that process, he had to fire someone (or say more than one, amuse me). What would you say to that?
Yes, it's terrible that they were fired. But that was the studios decisions. They fired them for what? So they can themselves money. Who's being greedy now? They weren't working before, they weren't getting paid. So the studio weren't loosing money. So what would be the point in firing them?
You can call it a greedy move all you want, but it's a move they had to make to make sure they were getting what they should be getting. No one could have forseen people getting fired. Now what would you do if you fought for something you thought you deserved, and someone ended getting fired because of it?
What if say, you asked for a raise. Your boss says okay, no problem. You got it because he thinks you really deserve it. But in that process, he had to fire someone (or say more than one, amuse me). What would you say to that?
Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!
I'd feel like a gigantic greedy douchebag, just like these guys should.
And sorry - there is no way that I could, in good conscience, put someone else's livelihood in jeopardy just to get a little bit more.
And look, I've never said that the studios are an innocent party here. Firing these people was an extremely douchbaggy move. But it would not have happened if there was a strike. You cannot blame the studios and not blame the writers.
And if you don't mind providing a link saying that the studios were not losing money by having these people on the payroll I would definitely be interested in reading it. If the workers were salaried the studios most certainly WERE losing money, and likely lots of it.
I'd feel like a gigantic greedy douchebag, just like these guys should.
And sorry - there is no way that I could, in good conscience, put someone else's livelihood in jeopardy just to get a little bit more.
And look, I've never said that the studios are an innocent party here. Firing these people was an extremely douchbaggy move. But it would not have happened if there was a strike. You cannot blame the studios and not blame the writers.
And if you don't mind providing a link saying that the studios were not losing money by having these people on the payroll I would definitely be interested in reading it. If the workers were salaried the studios most certainly WERE losing money, and likely lots of it.
Ice
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Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!
An unfair and uncalled thing to say.
But you wouldn't know, would you? Just like these guys didn't know or would've guessed this would've happened.
Ugh. That's the thing. It did happened. A lot of things in this world wouldn't have happened if this or that didn't go down that road. People always fall back on that excuse. "But it's true," and blah.
Sorry, but that was just my assumption that they weren't losing money. The reason was because the non-writing staff (again, me assuming, and I know that can be 'dangerous') I don't think get paid a lot of money. I'm sure it's a lot, but not that much that studios have to worry about laying people off. For one thing, it's only being reported right now that it's happened to the staff of The Tonight Show. And yes, now soon possibly to Late Night, but not yet. So we'll see.
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Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!
It's not exactly a surprise, and even if it is - if the workers AREN'T salary they aren't working anyway and therefore not getting paid.
So if the workers ARE salary you can't exactly blame the studios for laying off people that aren't working (yet are drawing pay) due to a strike that the WRITERS started. And if they AREN'T salary it's the writers' fault anyway for shutting work down.
Either way, the writers are to blame.
But it's a direct result of the strike. It's not like it happened after a series of semi-related events.
It's not exactly a surprise, and even if it is - if the workers AREN'T salary they aren't working anyway and therefore not getting paid.
So if the workers ARE salary you can't exactly blame the studios for laying off people that aren't working (yet are drawing pay) due to a strike that the WRITERS started. And if they AREN'T salary it's the writers' fault anyway for shutting work down.
Either way, the writers are to blame.
But it's a direct result of the strike. It's not like it happened after a series of semi-related events.
Ultimate Houde
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Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!
I agree with E
I agree with E
DIrishB
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This isn't even a real strike anyway until somone sets some fires, chucks a few bricks through some windows, and starts a few dozen brawls with police and security. Now THAT'S a strike. If it were a Detroit automaker or Pennsylvania Steel workers strike, you'd definitely see some of that happen if negotiations went bad or too prolonged.
I side with the writers in the sense that the AMPTP should have settled quickly, renegotiated the old, out-dated, and by current standards unfair contracts, and avoided this whole mess. The writers weren't asking for anything more than a rewording to include internet productions--which if trends continue, will account for a larger and larger share of the market in the next decade alone. The percentage they're getting on DVDs (and want to keep the same) is small, less than a percent, 0.06% if I remember correctly. They just want this to apply to the newer, growing forms of home entertainment, and rightly so. I do think its unfair that others have lost their jobs due to the writer's strike and think they do bear some guilt, but ultimately I blame the studio heads more than the writers.
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Random
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Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!
That's exactly it. I blame the AMPTP far more than the writers for this strike. The WGA's aren't being greedy, their looking ahead at financial security 10 years done the line.
I think calling them greedy is a very stupid way to put it. They are not asking for more, just the same they were getting before dvds
That's exactly it. I blame the AMPTP far more than the writers for this strike. The WGA's aren't being greedy, their looking ahead at financial security 10 years done the line.
I think calling them greedy is a very stupid way to put it. They are not asking for more, just the same they were getting before dvds
Dr.Strangefate
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Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!
This whole argument is pissing me off, because I can't even see where the other side is coming from... The arguments don't make sense, the one thing I agree about is that is sucks that they had to fire the film crews, but I think its kind of ****ing pointless that people here are arguing for the jobs of people who are supporting the strike... I have not heard ANYBODY come forward from those crews saying that they resent the strike or the writers. Their guild gets pushed around as much as any of the others by the AMPTP, and a matter like this is all about solidarity...
Grah... This is about people not being paid for the consumption of their work, its like telling a novelist they won't be getting paid for the copies of their book that are sold in Barnes & Noble and Borders.
And what else should they have done? Just sat there and smiled?
People keep talking as though they made this problem out of the ether, when it NEEDED a definitive answer. Writers don't get paid much, and shows don't go into re-runs as much anymore... Look at Lost, where they simply do not run ANY re-runs, which about ten years ago was the primary income for writers.
I keep thinking E, Mole, and Houde have to be joking, because the argument against makes no sense whatsoever...
*shrug* It'll be over in the next few weeks most likely. Then we can all put this out of our minds.
This whole argument is pissing me off, because I can't even see where the other side is coming from... The arguments don't make sense, the one thing I agree about is that is sucks that they had to fire the film crews, but I think its kind of ****ing pointless that people here are arguing for the jobs of people who are supporting the strike... I have not heard ANYBODY come forward from those crews saying that they resent the strike or the writers. Their guild gets pushed around as much as any of the others by the AMPTP, and a matter like this is all about solidarity...
Grah... This is about people not being paid for the consumption of their work, its like telling a novelist they won't be getting paid for the copies of their book that are sold in Barnes & Noble and Borders.
And what else should they have done? Just sat there and smiled?
People keep talking as though they made this problem out of the ether, when it NEEDED a definitive answer. Writers don't get paid much, and shows don't go into re-runs as much anymore... Look at Lost, where they simply do not run ANY re-runs, which about ten years ago was the primary income for writers.
I keep thinking E, Mole, and Houde have to be joking, because the argument against makes no sense whatsoever...
*shrug* It'll be over in the next few weeks most likely. Then we can all put this out of our minds.
Dr.Strangefate
He Sees You When You're Sleeping. He Knows When Yo
Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!
Here's a good video explaining the whole purpose of the strike and whatnot.
Here's a good video explaining the whole purpose of the strike and whatnot.
Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!
That's exactly how I feel. You people make no sense.
Do you think that these people, who are members of unions and have people elected to be their spokespeople are going to come out and say something? Of course not! Unions are loyal to a fault. The preservation of the union and it's basic ideals is more important than the people in the union, and that's why they are terrible. Nobody is going to risk their place in the union by coming out against them.
I most certainly am not joking and have to say I take some offense to the notion that I'm being ridiculous.
Maybe none of you know what it's like to have to support a family and not have a job. I do, and it was because of something a lot worse than a bunch of greedy people grubbing for just a little bit more.
You want to know what they are supposed to do? They shut up and do their job like they are supposed to. If your pay is unacceptable, you find another job. It's the same reason that people stop working at fast food restaurants and grocery stores in high school. If it doesn't support you, your family, and your lifestyle, you either leave or you position yourself to make more money. And again, stepping on other people to do so is not the answer.
That's exactly how I feel. You people make no sense.
Do you think that these people, who are members of unions and have people elected to be their spokespeople are going to come out and say something? Of course not! Unions are loyal to a fault. The preservation of the union and it's basic ideals is more important than the people in the union, and that's why they are terrible. Nobody is going to risk their place in the union by coming out against them.
I most certainly am not joking and have to say I take some offense to the notion that I'm being ridiculous.
Maybe none of you know what it's like to have to support a family and not have a job. I do, and it was because of something a lot worse than a bunch of greedy people grubbing for just a little bit more.
You want to know what they are supposed to do? They shut up and do their job like they are supposed to. If your pay is unacceptable, you find another job. It's the same reason that people stop working at fast food restaurants and grocery stores in high school. If it doesn't support you, your family, and your lifestyle, you either leave or you position yourself to make more money. And again, stepping on other people to do so is not the answer.
