The strike is OVER. The S is O!!

[Dancanread]

Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

I'm sorry, but that's really ****ed up there. It's highly inconsiderate you say that the strikers don't care. I'm sure they do, but this is out of their reach. They have a right to worry about themselves and their families to support them just as any other person. You don't have the right to say they don't care about others without even knowing them or situations they could be in with their families like non-writers.

And for the love of God, this ****ing sad excuse "they're doing this so they can make money" excuse as a negative thing is just ****ing old and sad. Yes, they're trying to get royalties (for what they rightly deserve, don't forget), but you know why? 'Cuz they have to get ****ing paid just as well so they can keep living. So they can pay their mortage, their rent, their groceries, their clothing, their bills, etc.


I can totally understand you thinking striking is a bad thing. That's fine. Not everyone likes the methods people use to get things done. That's life. Everyone can never be pleased at the same time by any thing. And I also understand that striking has negative effects on others. But what doesn't? That's life! So at least try to come up with better ways to ***** and whine about the strikers.

SRSLY.


People out of work because of the writers standing up for themselves is an unfortunate side-effect of the strike. The wealthy writers and actor-writers and hosts and show-runners are doing what they can to compensate everyone they can help out during the strike. The PRODUCERS have a choice to fire the non-writing staff or not. They make that choice. They don't have to do it. Seth McFarlane likened it in one of his speeches to an abusive husband who turns to his wife and says, "Look what you made me do to the kids!" How is that not worse!!!???

 

[SSJmole]

Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

They have a right to worry about themselves and their families to support them just as any other person.

you make it sound like they arn't getting paid at all (like they were trying to get people to believe for sympathy)

Plus you say I have no right to say they don't care? Why not? They had no right to say all the producers or directors don't care about them and they weren't getting ANY money.

If they them selves see it as black and white why can't we? It's the scare tactics they were using to try and get sympathy for them. Which by them doing that proves the strike was in the wrong as the only way they can justify it was with lies and sympathy attempts.

It the strike was just it would have stood up on it's own merits right?

And for the love of God, this ****ing sad excuse "they're doing this so they can make money" excuse as a negative thing is just ****ing old and sad. Yes, they're trying to get royalties (for what they rightly deserve, don't forget)

This is kind of not true though , It wasn't in the contracts THEY signed therefore they don't really deserve it. It's greed I'm sorry but it is greed that's it. I know you don't want to hear that but it is.

The PRODUCERS have a choice to fire the non-writing staff or not. They make that choice. They don't have to do it. Seth McFarlane likened it in one of his speeches to an abusive husband who turns to his wife and says, "Look what you made me do to the kids!" How is that not worse!!!???

How? Simple they are charge of money and it's kind of like this. You own a factory. Everyone walks out of the factory except one person. You are losing money and can not keep that guy around as it's bad business. You would fire him too.

By striking they left them NO choice but to fire people as the people they fired had no purpose. And you can say they didn't think about it but even members here near front pages said it will effect others in non-writer jobs and low and behold they are fired

It's selfish on the writers part and I honestly think they don't care.

 

[ourchair]

Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

I'm sorry, but that's really ****ed up there. It's highly inconsiderate you say that the strikers don't care. I'm sure they do, but this is out of their reach. They have a right to worry about themselves and their families to support them just as any other person. You don't have the right to say they don't care about others without even knowing them or situations they could be in with their families like non-writers.

And for the love of God, this ****ing sad excuse "they're doing this so they can make money" excuse as a negative thing is just ****ing old and sad. Yes, they're trying to get royalties (for what they rightly deserve, don't forget), but you know why? 'Cuz they have to get ****ing paid just as well so they can keep living. So they can pay their mortage, their rent, their groceries, their clothing, their bills, etc.

And before anyone says it, writers may indeed make more money than a guy at the McDonald's and therefore 'shouldn't ***** and whine about being poor when they're not' but that doesn't mean the strike is unjustified.

They want royalties they deserve, not just out of some randomly concocted sense of entitlement, but because the future of entertainment is going in a direction where companies will (and have to) make money out of alternate delivery platforms like the Internet.

And if every company gets to make money off of stuff writers have contributed but not have to pay them for it, then that's downright unfair.

They just want the contracts adjusted to meet the future that multimedia entertainment is going. It means they want to guarantee they get paid for the services rendered.

Imagine if nobody at Pizza Hut got paid because you ordered a pizza through the Internet.

My sister, who appeared in a recent episode of Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, has the deal these writers want. Every replay of that episode, she gets a small chunk of cash. When it enters syndication, she also gets a small chunk of cash.

If its broadcast rights get sold overseas and they play that episode on Solar Crime/Suspense (a network here in the Philippines) she also gets a small chunk of cash.

If someone buys an episode off of iTunes, she gets a few pennies.

This is the deal writers want, and this is the deal they are not getting.

 

[Ice]

you make it sound like they arn't getting paid at all (like they were trying to get people to believe for sympathy)
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I do not make it sound like they don't get paid. They just want to get paid for what they SHOULD get paid for and they're NOT getting paid for that.

Plus you say I have no right to say they don't care? Why not? They had no right to say all the producers or directors don't care about them and they weren't getting ANY money.

Why not? Because you don't know them. How do you know they actually don't give a ****? They DO have the right to say the producers (not directors) don't care because the producers are/were refusing to pay them for the royalties they should have been getting paid for- work they helped create. Why should the producers be the only ones to take all the income in?

This is kind of not true though , It wasn't in the contracts THEY signed therefore they don't really deserve it. It's greed I'm sorry but it is greed that's it. I know you don't want to hear that but it is.

It wasn't in the contracts because the contract was done in 1988!!! They're fighting for it to be in the NEW contract.

And before anyone says it, writers may indeed make more money than a guy at the McDonald's and therefore 'shouldn't ***** and whine about being poor when they're not' but that doesn't mean the strike is unjustified.

They want royalties they deserve, not just out of some randomly concocted sense of entitlement, but because the future of entertainment is going in a direction where companies will (and have to) make money out of alternate delivery platforms like the Internet.

And if every company gets to make money off of stuff writers have contributed but not have to pay them for it, then that's downright unfair.

They just want the contracts adjusted to meet the future that multimedia entertainment is going. It means they want to guarantee they get paid for the services rendered.

Imagine if nobody at Pizza Hut got paid because you ordered a pizza through the Internet.

My sister, who appeared in a recent episode of Law & Order: Special Victims Unit, has the deal these writers want. Every replay of that episode, she gets a small chunk of cash. When it enters syndication, she also gets a small chunk of cash.

If its broadcast rights get sold overseas and they play that episode on Solar Crime/Suspense (a network here in the Philippines) she also gets a small chunk of cash.

If someone buys an episode off of iTunes, she gets a few pennies.

This is the deal writers want, and this is the deal they are not getting.

Ourchair FTW!!!

 

[ourchair]

Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

This is kind of not true though , It wasn't in the contracts THEY signed therefore they don't really deserve it.

What you're talking about is completely different.

What you've described suggests that the writers are claiming a 'breach of contract'. That they are asking for money they think their contracts entitle them to.

What the writers are asking for are RENEGOTIATED contracts. They're not saying that the companies are screwing them out of a check ostensibly detailed in their contracts.

They're saying that the companies are screwing them through contracts they don't want to amend. They're not claiming the contracts have been breached, they're claiming the contracts are flawed.

Two different things, bucko.

 

[SSJmole]

Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

Well I still disagree and at the end of the day the people against the strike have just as much the right to voice their opinions as those for it.

Two different things, bucko.

Didn't say they were the same thing. I said it's not in the contract then they can't ***** about it as they signed it willingly.

 

[Ice]

Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

Well I still disagree and at the end of the day the people against the strike have just as much the right to voice their opinions as those for it.

No one is saying you can't.... :?

Didn't say they were the same thing. I said it's not in the contract then they can't ***** about it as they signed it willingly.

And like I said above, the contract they had was done in 1988. They're not *****ing about it- again, they're fighting so it can be added to the NEW contract they're trying to work out now.

 

[SSJmole]

Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

And like I said above, the contract they had was done in 1988. They're not *****ing about it- again, they're fighting so it can be added to the NEW contract they're trying to work out now.

My cousin works at hospital and has for years. Now that terrorist attacks have increased the likely hood of more people getting hurt every day has gone up.

Should he and every other doctor and medical staff strike because it's not in their contracts and should be?

 

[ourchair]

Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

Didn't say they were the same thing. I said it's not in the contract then they can't ***** about it as they signed it willingly.

You did.

You're saying that these writers have not been screwed because they signed contracts. That they are claiming bull**** notions of companies not paying stuff owed to them, because those bull**** claims are not promised to them by contracts they signed.

Which is NOT what they are doing.

What they are doing is claiming that they've been screwed because their contracts aren't promising them anything. Which is why they're not signing them. And it's why they're asking to renegotiate.

What you are saying is that they should not strike because 'it's in their contracts'.

And saying that is pretty much saying that writers should take whatever contract the companies give them...

That they have no right to have a say in what those contracts promise.

 

[Ice]

Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

My cousin works at hospital and has for years. Now that terrorist attacks have increased the likely hood of more people getting hurt every day has gone up.

Should he and every other doctor and medical staff strike because it's not in their contracts and should be?

Wow.

Two totally different things. Try something better to compare. :roll:

 

[SSJmole]

Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

And saying that is pretty much saying that writers should take whatever contract the companies give them...

That they have no right to have a say in what those contracts promise.

THEY DON'T.

I'm sorry but they don't. They are paid to write it for the studios. Does not matter they do with it as it's theirs after they buy it.

Imagine if you had an online business. Does that mean the guy who put your pc together should get some of the money since his work is making you money?


Or your mechanics fix a Taxi , Should they now get a % of the Taxi fairs?


How about your hair dresser if your an actor , should they get a % of your money every time you are on tv for an interview?




They are paid to write , they write , they get paid. The other stuff IS NOT their right to take it all. It is greed. All this is is them trying to get what they are NOT , NOT NOT entitled too

Wow.

Two totally different things. Try something better to compare. :roll:

Yeah it because they are not selfish enough to strike for it.

 

[Ice]

What the ****?

Seriously. What the ****?

People DO have a right to say what's in their contract before they sign it. How the hell do they not?

Yeah it because they are not selfish enough to strike for it.

Or because it has nothing to do with the topic and you're just running out of bull**** to make up.

 

[SSJmole]

Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

Or because it has nothing to do with the topic and you're just running out of bull**** to make up.

Or your mad as it's right

 

[Ice]

Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

Or your mad as it's right

Or I'm not and it's wrong.

 

[ourchair]

Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

Or your mad as it's right

Says the person who refuses to address the statement:

People DO have a right to say what's in their contract before they sign it. How the hell do they not?

 

[SSJmole]

Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

Says the person who refuses to address the statement:

Because I've already said before when it comes to this

People DO have a right to say what's in their contract before they sign it. How the hell do they not?

Nearly every other job from garbage man to the guy who flips burgers to the life saving doctors Don't. They can pick hours and small stuff like that. What makes the writers so special?

 

[Ice]

Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

Nearly every other job from garbage man to the guy who flips burgers to the life saving doctors Don't. They can pick hours and small stuff like that. What makes the writers so special?

I have no idea what garbage men or burger people have to do with this. They don't have contracts for working....

And some doctor's do. I believe it's called Private Practice or something like that.

And writers aren't the only ones with contracts. I mean, you're saying people don't have the right to say what should be in the contract they're going to sign, YET IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME!

Take sports people. They're always negotiating their contracts. How much money they should have after playing with someone for so long. Or how many years the contract should last for. There's no difference between that and this. Writers are negotiating their new contracts before they sign them so they can get paid the royalties they deserve for helping create the material they do.

 

[ourchair]

Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

THEY DON'T.

I'm sorry but they don't. They are paid to write it for the studios. Does not matter they do with it as it's theirs after they buy it.

Look, I'm going to acquiesce and admit that we may have different standards about contracts and pay entitlement.

But the writers are basically asking for rights that writers --- not hairdressers or salesmen or repairmen --- in other industries take for granted.

Writers for periodicals such as newspapers and magazines get paid if their work is put online. Novelists get paid if their work was distributed to the Adobe eReader.

But writers for TV and movies don't get paid if their work is online?

And worse, they don't get paid even though the actors do?

I can understand that you're incensed at the notion that writers would want something that hairdressers and repairmen and doctors don't get (and whether or not I think you're right or wrong on that is not relevant)...

But what the TV/movie writers want is the same deal that journalists and novelists get.

What OTHER writers get by not working for TV and movies.

 

[Planet-man]

Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

THEY DON'T.

I'm sorry but they don't. They are paid to write it for the studios. Does not matter they do with it as it's theirs after they buy it.

Imagine if you had an online business. Does that mean the guy who put your pc together should get some of the money since his work is making you money?


Or your mechanics fix a Taxi , Should they now get a % of the Taxi fairs?

You're absolutely right. That would be ridiculous.

Just one problem: The studios are very much in the position of those PC makers and mechanics here, and the writers are the online business runners and taxi drivers.

 

[SSJmole]

Re: The strike is on. The S is O!!

Take sports people. They're always negotiating their contracts. How much money they should have after playing with someone for so long. Or how many years the contract should last for. There's no difference between that and this. Writers are negotiating their new contracts before they sign them so they can get paid the royalties they deserve for helping create the material they do.

negotiating sure , But when was the last time the entire NFL (or what ever your main sporting league was) All striked

But what the TV/movie writers want is the same deal that journalists and novelists get.

What OTHER writers get by not working for TV and movies.

but the thing with that is this. A novel or newpaper is online people are reading it. People are reading their work.

Movie or tv show goes online you are not reading the script. You are watching the actors preform and you are seeing the script acted out sure but it is changed in ways by director it's also not word for word in the script.

You're absolutely right. That would be ridiculous.

Just one problem: The studios are very much in the position of those PC makers and mechanics here, and the writers are the online business runners and taxi drivers.

No they are the ones who pay the writers just to write. Like a taxi driver pays the mechanic just to fix his car not depand a % of his pay.


But I think none of us are going to agree here