Smallville (spoilers)

Gothamite said:
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It's...it's not just some hot guy with red eyes and grey skin and a few bones slapped onto his face.

It's actually Doomsday. And (I say this in the nicest possible way) if this was a Superman movie made in 1999, that would actually be amazing CGI.

I'm actually excited, even though you just know that Clark will punch him maybe twice, get punched four times, nearly die and then beat him with a magical Kryptonian Heritage Crystal or some such stupidity. Maybe Doomsday will kill everyone on the show, first.
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I too, was impressed at the concept of slowly introducing Doomsday in an innocuous sense, only to pay him off in a big way and, as you say, he looks pretty ****ing brilliant.

Unfortunately, you can tell he costs a LOT to do which is why they have that stupid "on/off" gimmick to the character which makes no sense at all. It seems it HAS to be there because the 24/7 grey beast would be too costly.

The reason I say it makes no sense is that if Zod and his girl want a being to destroy/conquer the world (hard to do both) and evolve into stronger and stronger forms, it makes little sense that the human form (which retains all the superpowers bar super strength it seems) is something he 'reverts' to. Why design him to revert to a weaker form? Isn't that antithetical to his evolutionary process? Wouldn't it make more sense that the reason Doomsday has bones sticking out of him is due to his evolutionary process? Yes it would because that's precisely why they're there. Go read the original comics. Doomsday only gets the bones as a result of conflict. They're not inherent. This actually would've been much cooler. First of all, you don't spank all your cash on the Doomsday prosthetic for token appearances - you slowly build it onto Bloome as the series progresses so he becomes less and less human. It gives you something to build towards which is the whole point of slowly introducing him in a tv show. The first conflict between Superman and Doomsday in Smallville, Bloome should've looked a lot like a regular human. And Clark accidentally kills him. And, of course, Bloome comes back but looking MORE monster like and it keeps going. It's BUILDING UP THE DRAMA. Immediately having their first fight be with full-on-looking Doomsday gives them NO WHERE TO GO with the character. He's Doomsday. It's done. Wasted.

But then, this is a bull**** show so little of it makes sense. For example; how does Doomsday get to the arctic pole? How does Chloe not die? Why does Doomsday go after Chloe on her wedding day? Is it part of his programming to find her and turn her into Brainiac? Then why doesn't he do that straight away? Why wait until now? Or does Bloome suddenly, for no reason, have control in his Doomsday form? Fuzzy thinking.

I watched this because Doomsday looked awesome and it was exciting, but this show... I forgot how goddam awful it is. The dialogue is atrocious and the characters are so thin, that even the few members of the cast who can act at all, have nothing to work with. And it's filled with cliche's - the worst day in two lovers' lives turns out to be... their WEDDING DAY! OMG!

It's a terrible show. No imagination to it (a CLOVERFIELD rip-off... really?). No balls. Christ, even Doomsday's emo in it. DOOMSDAY.

And what the **** is this **** of putting him in the Daily Planet, having everyone and their dog know his secret identity, have him pal around with the Legion and Green Arrow, and fight Lex, Brainiac, and Doomsday but NOT WEAR THE ****ING SUIT?

I just want to see more of Doomsday because the prosthetic is actually amazing.

ProjectX2 said:
Why do all of his villains and supporting cast appear in Smallville? This seems ridiculous to me. It's like if Peter Parker fought Green Goblin and Doctor Octopus and Venom and all his other villains before he was bitten by the spider or if Bruce Wayne fought The Joker and Two Face and The Penguin before he trained himself to be Batman. This is why I cannot watch this show. :?
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The word you're looking for is "CONTRIVED".

I can't fathom how this show has 8 seasons and Firefly didn't even get one. This show has coasted on the Superman mythos, cockteasing like Heroes, for 8 years. I don't get how people can like it. It's not like some shows like soaps where I can see how some would find it entertaining... this show is obnoxious.

I don't get it. I want more Firefly.
 
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Bass said:
I watched this because Doomsday looked awesome and it was exciting, but this show... I forgot how goddam awful it is. The dialogue is atrocious and the characters are so thin, that even the few members of the cast who can act at all, have nothing to work with. And it's filled with cliche's - the worst day in two lovers' lives turns out to be... their WEDDING DAY! OMG!

It's a terrible show. No imagination to it (a CLOVERFIELD rip-off... really?). No balls. Christ, even Doomsday's emo in it. DOOMSDAY.
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I still don't understand why people keep saying that anyone from this show should be involved with a Superman movie.

No matter how much people hated Superman Returns, c'mon. I even though the first season or two of Smallville was good (I haven't seen those episodes in ages, so I don't know how I'd feel about them now) but even I would rather these people, Tom Welling included, stayed on the CW.
 
moonmaster said:
I still don't understand why people keep saying that anyone from this show should be involved with a Superman movie.

No matter how much people hated Superman Returns, c'mon. I even though the first season or two of Smallville was good (I haven't seen those episodes in ages, so I don't know how I'd feel about them now) but even I would rather these people, Tom Welling included, stayed on the CW.
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Cause a lot of people outside of this site still love the show. I here people talking about this show all the time. My nephew said one of his teachers loves this show, my roommate likes this show so much he watched all Seven seasons (that are out on dvd) in just a few weeks.
 
moonmaster said:
I still don't understand why people keep saying that anyone from this show should be involved with a Superman movie.

No matter how much people hated Superman Returns, c'mon. I even though the first season or two of Smallville was good (I haven't seen those episodes in ages, so I don't know how I'd feel about them now) but even I would rather these people, Tom Welling included, stayed on the CW.
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A lot of it is because fans of it from the early days still remember how good the show and everyone on it were in its heyday. Tom Welling was a superb Clark Kent. Michael Rosenbaum was a brilliant Lex Luthor. It's still fun to imagine what could've been if they'd gotten to do a movie as full-on Superman and Lex.

Some of its just sentiment too..... the show is still what turned Superman from an adult I idolized into a teenager I could completely relate to.

I still think that cast-wise, somewhere, somehow, you could still do the upcoming reboot movie, Birthright, Millarworld or otherwise, using Tom as Clark and the Baum as Lex. New continuity, different world, the works, simply because the two of them are some of the best ever in the roles when they get the chance to shine.

Otherwise, it's still fun to imagine the Superman movie that could have and at the time should have taken off straight out of the brilliant fourth season that never happened.
 
the watcher said:
My nephew said one of his teachers loves this show, my roommate likes this show so much he watched all Seven seasons (that are out on dvd) in just a few weeks.
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It seems weird, but yeah, there must be a large group of people who are crazy about this show.

One of the cherade ideas that came with the Christmas Cracker I opened with my Dad last week was 'Smallville'. Little things like that really show how it's ingrained itself into the collective consciousness of people.
 
Planet-man said:
A lot of it is because fans of it from the early days still remember how good the show and everyone on it were in its heyday. Tom Welling was a superb Clark Kent. Michael Rosenbaum was a brilliant Lex Luthor. It's still fun to imagine what could've been if they'd gotten to do a movie as full-on Superman and Lex.
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Absolutely. Although I still think that the Baum is a bit over-rated as Lex. Not a lot, but a bit. John Shea from Lois and Clark (still the best Superman show ever, even though there are some truly stand-out episodes of Smallville) is THE Lex Luthor.

Some of its just sentiment too..... the show is still what turned Superman from an adult I idolized into a teenager I could completely relate to.
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I don't know about that. Since Lois & Clark was my first exposure to the character, Superman was never really much of an 'adult' character to me. Yes, he was very firmly a 'grown-up' and not a child/teen superhero like Spider-Man or Robin or the like, but because of the way he was portrayed on L&C as being a young, inexperienced, ordinary guy who just happened to be the most powerful creature on the planet...he was easier to relate to.

Clark's mannerisms, thoughts, experiences and overall personality is just more 'everyday-like' in Lois & Clark than it is on Smallville, where he is still a little bit perfect (even when though he whines all the time). One of the biggest problems of Smallville is when they try to force 'natural' teenage flaws on Clark, like him trying to use his x-ray vision on a hot teacher, swearing, etc. The Red K episodes were great when I was younger, but looking back on them now, they really are a bit hokey.

Otherwise, it's still fun to imagine the Superman movie that could have and at the time should have taken off straight out of the brilliant fourth season that never happened.
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Bingo, although I never really cared about a movie. I was more into the idea of a series of TV movies, or obviously a 'Metropolis[: The Series]' type situation.

I still maintain that a contemporary Superman show, blending the humour and characterisation of Lois & Clark, coupled with the superheroic arc-style of storytelling used by shows like Heroes would be the best and most definitive Superman show ever. It wouldn't even need villains from the comics or all of the other stuff fans are always complaining about.

Metropolis could have been this, but instead, Smallville continued on for another unnecessary four seasons.
 
Gothamite said:
Absolutely. Although I still think that the Baum is a bit over-rated as Lex. Not a lot, but a bit. John Shea from Lois and Clark (still the best Superman show ever, even though there are some truly stand-out episodes of Smallville) is THE Lex Luthor.



I don't know about that. Since Lois & Clark was my first exposure to the character, Superman was never really much of an 'adult' character to me. Yes, he was very firmly a 'grown-up' and not a child/teen superhero like Spider-Man or Robin or the like, but because of the way he was portrayed on L&C as being a young, inexperienced, ordinary guy who just happened to be the most powerful creature on the planet...he was easier to relate to.

Clark's mannerisms, thoughts, experiences and overall personality is just more 'everyday-like' in Lois & Clark than it is on Smallville, where he is still a little bit perfect (even when though he whines all the time). One of the biggest problems of Smallville is when they try to force 'natural' teenage flaws on Clark, like him trying to use his x-ray vision on a hot teacher, swearing, etc. The Red K episodes were great when I was younger, but looking back on them now, they really are a bit hokey.



Bingo, although I never really cared about a movie. I was more into the idea of a series of TV movies, or obviously a 'Metropolis[: The Series]' type situation.

I still maintain that a contemporary Superman show, blending the humour and characterisation of Lois & Clark, coupled with the superheroic arc-style of storytelling used by shows like Heroes would be the best and most definitive Superman show ever. It wouldn't even need villains from the comics or all of the other stuff fans are always complaining about.

Metropolis could have been this, but instead, Smallville continued on for another unnecessary four seasons.
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I agree with all Gothamite just said
 
i just don't understand how Clark is going to become Superman. I mean He hasn't been nerdy or worn glasses, and everyone knows there is something strange about him.

He's going to show up for the first time as Superman to face Lex Luthor:
Lex: "Clark?"
Superman: "ummm...No, Clark Kent parts his hair the other way and wears glasses."
Lex: "..."
 
captaincanuck65 said:
i just don't understand how Clark is going to become Superman. I mean He hasn't been nerdy or worn glasses, and everyone knows there is something strange about him.

He's going to show up for the first time as Superman to face Lex Luthor:
Lex: "Clark?"
Superman: "ummm...No, Clark Kent parts his hair the other way and wears glasses."
Lex: "..."
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You know, I thought about that a number of years ago, and I think Jor-El is going to rewrite reality or something to make people think Clark always wore glasses. Or Clark's glasses will be hypnotic like they were in the Pre-Crisis comics.

That said, did anybody watch the Legion episode? I, for one, loved it.
 
Doc Comic said:
You know, I thought about that a number of years ago, and I think Jor-El is going to rewrite reality or something to make people think Clark always wore glasses. Or Clark's glasses will be hypnotic like they were in the Pre-Crisis comics.

That said, did anybody watch the Legion episode? I, for one, loved it.
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Maybe they'll have that kid that had the power to make people lose their memories come back...

I watch the Legion episode. I have givin' up on this show awhile back but, felt like checking this out when I heard about it. I'll admit that episode was decent compaired to where I left off.
 
Doc Comic said:
That said, did anybody watch the Legion episode? I, for one, loved it.
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I did. Actually, I have only watched this show a couple times early on. But when I read that Geoff Johns wrote the Legion episode I set the old DVR. I was actually pleasantly surprised. I liked how they portrayed the Legion characters and all the fan boy references. They should let him write more.

My problem with this show is I can't get past that I just don't like Clark. He is such a whiny bi*ch. I really think they should ditch the "no tights, no flights" policy and let us see freakin Superboy already. They are gonna have him fight doomsday in his school clothes?
 
thee great one said:
Smallville & Zatanna?



As much has I despise this show, I will indeed watch this episode.
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Is there really a reason for this? From the spoilers I've read, it sounds like she's just gonna be used as a MacGuffin to switch Chloe and Lois, nothing more.

At least give her some importance, or show somebody who'll have some. Like giving John back his powers and making him do Martian-y things.
 
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