Punisher MAX (Ennis #1-60) Discussion *Spoilers*

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I read Barracuda#4 today. It was the first thing I read as soon as I picked up my weekly purchases.


MORE! I NEED MORE! I LOVE YOU ENNIS! HAVE MY CHUBBY MULATTO BABIES! TEACH THEM TO WRITE THIS STUFF SO THAT THEY MAY READ IT TO ME IN MY OLD AGE! MORE! I NEED MORE BARRACUDA LIKE GOLLUM NEEDS THE PRECIOUS!


Seriously....anyone who read Punisher MAX needs to be reading this! And the cover.....totally misleading.
 
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I think Fifty is a cool character. Yeah I'm surprised at how good this mini is turning out..i thought it was just gonna be a bit of Ennis on auto-pilot, but it's another great story with half a dozen warring factions. Love it
 
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A fiendish shop keeper held out a copy of "Slavers" and said "give it a try".

3 months later I have picked up every single bit of Punisher Max ever published, pimped it to every friend and they have reacted the same.

Read comics because you want to see the bad guys taught a lesson?
Then thank God for Garth Ennis.

Ennis + Punisher MAX = Grown Up Comic Heaven.

I liked Preacher, loved Fury Max and absolutely coveted War Stories, but Punisher MAX is the one.

Hah, just read Troubled Souls and For A Few Troubles More. Helluva change in a couple of decades.
 
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After reading the new issue of Barracuda,

I want a mini set in the past with a meeting between the Russian and Barrauda.
 
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Does anyone else kinda hope that Barracuda gets his own title? While I'm looking SO forward to what Barracuda has in store for Punisher and why he needs all that money and power (#50 anyone?) I also don't want him to do so because... dammit. Punisher's got to kill him. I want him to kill him, but I also want Barrcuda to live... DAMN YOU ENNIS!

Also, regarding Widowmaker, I'm thinking that Jenny's return to Frank after killing her nemeses will either be to put them both out of their misery, or to have Frank kill her. Or maybe have sex. Something's going on with Jenny. I really don't know what, but there's something here. She might turn out to be a recurring character in the comic. And then there's that cop... #49's also the seventh-part of Widowmaker instead of the usual six, and of course the next issue is #50... something... something particularly profound is about to happen.

On another note, I just saw an episode of Shark today in which the antagonist, a serial killer, gets away with six particularly horrific murders. It was at this moment I prayed for The Punisher. I want a TV show of the Punisher. One six-issue arc = Two episodes. The Punisher is so unbelievably cathartic. It's like 300, except... 299 less and set in the present day. And more different.

I really want a The Punisher TV show. From HBO. Or at least, a good film. Seriously, if I was in anyway capable of it, I'd just hire Garth Ennis to write the Punisher film. His MAX work is just incredible.
 
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Bass said:
Also, regarding Widowmaker, I'm thinking that Jenny's return to Frank after killing her nemeses will either be to put them both out of their misery, or to have Frank kill her. Or maybe have sex. Something's going on with Jenny. I really don't know what, but there's something here. She might turn out to be a recurring character in the comic. And then there's that cop... #49's also the seventh-part of Widowmaker instead of the usual six, and of course the next issue is #50... something... something particularly profound is about to happen.
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I think Barracuda will kill Jenny in issue 50. Theres something particularly profound.

I don't want Barracuda to die, now that the character has been built so much. And it's a cool character, i don't want him to just get killed. C'mon he's like the anti-punisher he has to exist
 
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Bass said:
Does anyone else kinda hope that Barracuda gets his own title? While I'm looking SO forward to what Barracuda has in store for Punisher and why he needs all that money and power (#50 anyone?) I also don't want him to do so because... dammit. Punisher's got to kill him. I want him to kill him, but I also want Barrcuda to live... DAMN YOU ENNIS!

Also, regarding Widowmaker, I'm thinking that Jenny's return to Frank after killing her nemeses will either be to put them both out of their misery, or to have Frank kill her. Or maybe have sex. Something's going on with Jenny. I really don't know what, but there's something here. She might turn out to be a recurring character in the comic. And then there's that cop... #49's also the seventh-part of Widowmaker instead of the usual six, and of course the next issue is #50... something... something particularly profound is about to happen.

On another note, I just saw an episode of Shark today in which the antagonist, a serial killer, gets away with six particularly horrific murders. It was at this moment I prayed for The Punisher. I want a TV show of the Punisher. One six-issue arc = Two episodes. The Punisher is so unbelievably cathartic. It's like 300, except... 299 less and set in the present day. And more different.

I really want a The Punisher TV show. From HBO. Or at least, a good film. Seriously, if I was in anyway capable of it, I'd just hire Garth Ennis to write the Punisher film. His MAX work is just incredible.
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I hate following Bass' posts. Anytime you think you have something to add...he's alread said it. And by the time you think of getting to something profound to add to the post....your fingers get tired.

Ugh.


Anyways....I'm thinking that Jenny will go and try to kill the women....but she'll slip up and need some help. Despite that Frank appeared to sit this one out---he'll have shadowed her instead. He'll help out---they'll both live...and meet up at Jenny's place later. Where she'll ask Frank to kill her. Mostly because she has nothing left to live for and doesn't want to end up with Frank's life. Frank will kill her outta compassion.

The cop is gonna get killed. I dont know why...but I think that he'll figure this mystery out and get killed by one of the widows.

I honestly believe Ennis is saving Cuda for the next arc altogether. No guest spot here. And I seriously want Cuda to stay alive. He needs to live. He just needs to be that character that always ends up coming back. And then after his 4th or 5th appearance.....kill him off in the most grandest way possible.






And as far as a show...seeing as how the average HBO show's seasons consist of 12-13 epsiodes---I'm thinking that you could just stretch out each issue to fill an hour's worth of show. Extra dialogue here....a random mugging thwart with voice overs for internal monologue and thoughts....expand on the villains' side a bit. You could easily fit one issue to a whole show. And the whole season could consist of 2 arcs. The biggest problem I see is possibly tying each arc together to get the real impact of the season finale. Or the season finale could just consist of the arc conclusion and let it be that.

And have one episode each season devoted to Ennis' one-shots.

I'm still working on how Born would fit into the show.
 
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How many trades of this series is out? I'll probably pick it up later this year after I've caught up up on some of my other trades.
 
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Victor Von Doom said:
Anyways....I'm thinking that Jenny will go and try to kill the women....but she'll slip up and need some help. Despite that Frank appeared to sit this one out---he'll have shadowed her instead. He'll help out---they'll both live...and meet up at Jenny's place later. Where she'll ask Frank to kill her. Mostly because she has nothing left to live for and doesn't want to end up with Frank's life. Frank will kill her outta compassion.
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I don't think it's compassion. She willingly stayed with a man she knew committed awful crimes. Part of me thinks that Frank will say, "Run". If she doesn't... blam.

Victor Von Doom said:
The cop is gonna get killed. I dont know why...but I think that he'll figure this mystery out and get killed by one of the widows.
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He might become the new Soap!

Victor Von Doom said:
I honestly believe Ennis is saving Cuda for the next arc altogether. No guest spot here. And I seriously want Cuda to stay alive. He needs to live. He just needs to be that character that always ends up coming back. And then after his 4th or 5th appearance.....kill him off in the most grandest way possible.
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I agree - I doubt 'cuda's involved in Widowmaker in anyway. But I don't know about Barracuda coming back again and again. Cavella, Zhakarov, Rawlins - none of them lasted more than two rounds. I don't think Barracuda will either (but then, none of them got their own minis...) - I'd love to know what Ennis has planned.

Victor Von Doom said:
And as far as a show...seeing as how the average HBO show's seasons consist of 12-13 epsiodes---I'm thinking that you could just stretch out each issue to fill an hour's worth of show. Extra dialogue here....a random mugging thwart with voice overs for internal monologue and thoughts....expand on the villains' side a bit. You could easily fit one issue to a whole show. And the whole season could consist of 2 arcs. The biggest problem I see is possibly tying each arc together to get the real impact of the season finale. Or the season finale could just consist of the arc conclusion and let it be that.

And have one episode each season devoted to Ennis' one-shots.

I'm still working on how Born would fit into the show.
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I gotta disagree. I think if they did a Columbo type of show which is about 75-90 minutes long, you could fit an entire arc in that, and if you did, that show would be a HUGE hit. Sure, you could stretch it as you say, but then it'll be too much like many other shows around today. You'd have to add things that are either inconsequential or not really part of what makes Ennis' Punisher so great and it would only slow the pace. I mean, Ennis' work is paced so wonderfully, you could take six issues (140 pages) and make that an incredibly well-paced, action adventure for tv.

As for Born - it doesn't go in the show. Born is really good, but it adds an element of the supernatural that isn't part of the series proper. It's never brought up (maybe #50 will bring it up but I doubt it). You wouldn't want to place it into the show - first, there isn't enough to make a full movie about or feature-length super special episode, and secondly, from a production stand point, it would probably be vastly uneconomical as you'd have to recreate 'Nam, get loads of extras and what not, for just one storyline, unlike the rest of the show which is set in the Big Apple.

... I want my Punisher TV.
 
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A Punisher MAX series would rule. I think it'd work best if they did an arc = 2 episodes (same with a Fables TV series, actually), however, I'd like it if they did original plots as well.

I just want Punisher killing things on TV. It would be awesome.
 
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I think if they were transferring the arcs directly over to tv, they'd be really heavily censored. I'm thinking in the 2nd or 3rd arc where they're in the russian missile silo for most of the arc just killing as loads of soldiers get sent to their deaths. If they showed that on TV they'd be so much backlash. That's why i'd rathner if they were made into live-action, I'd rather they did it as films. Fitting a story arc to each film. I generally feel 6 issues is about the length of a film, especially if it reads cinematically. (I don't know how they're gonna condense 12 solid 9-grid issues of watchmen to 2/3 hours).

If they did a punisher TV series, I'd rather they kept the coat and everything. But it just wouldn't be the punisher if they didn't keep the death count up, but if they did people would complain. I don't know how they'd do it.

Bass said something about supernaturalness in born. I'd never thought about it , I'm guessing its the voice that talks in black,, (and the bit where the narrator just gets chucked on a plane was a bit wierd, i think that's more metaphorical than supernatural). For the most part of Born i figured the voice was almost like franks split personality, his berserker rage letting go into pure carnage. But then there's the line at the end about I'm gonna kill your family. But it doesn't explicitly say that, i think it just says now you just need a little push (and as the reader we all know what that's gonna be).

I wouldn't think it's necessarily supernatural, maybe Ennis thought he could go either way, I think it was touched on briefly with Micro in the first arc but mostly i think it's something he wrote that before he knew exactly what punisher Max was gonna be like. He wouldn't at this point pull up something from what he wrote 4/5 years ago. (Well there was that "sniper inceident" from his second tour).
 
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Ninja4peace said:
I think if they were transferring the arcs directly over to tv, they'd be really heavily censored.
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Not on HBO. :D

It'd only be censored if they stupidly thought the sow should be aimed at teenagers and shown at 9pm... which would probably happen. :(

Ninja4peace said:
Bass said something about supernaturalness in born. I'd never thought about it , I'm guessing its the voice that talks in black,, (and the bit where the narrator just gets chucked on a plane was a bit wierd, i think that's more metaphorical than supernatural). For the most part of Born i figured the voice was almost like franks split personality, his berserker rage letting go into pure carnage. But then there's the line at the end about I'm gonna kill your family. But it doesn't explicitly say that, i think it just says now you just need a little push (and as the reader we all know what that's gonna be).

I wouldn't think it's necessarily supernatural, maybe Ennis thought he could go either way, I think it was touched on briefly with Micro in the first arc but mostly i think it's something he wrote that before he knew exactly what punisher Max was gonna be like. He wouldn't at this point pull up something from what he wrote 4/5 years ago. (Well there was that "sniper inceident" from his second tour).
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There's a line from the voice that says it's been doing this (creating 'Punishers') for a long time. There's an implication something has given Frank the resolve to Punish. Which was cool for Born. The ambiguity turned it into an almost horror war story. Pretty cool. But I'm very happy that it's not being delved in to or being brought up in the series proper. I don't think you want that element in the series for a variety of reasons.
 
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Bass said:
I gotta disagree. I think if they did a Columbo type of show which is about 75-90 minutes long, you could fit an entire arc in that, and if you did, that show would be a HUGE hit. Sure, you could stretch it as you say, but then it'll be too much like many other shows around today. You'd have to add things that are either inconsequential or not really part of what makes Ennis' Punisher so great and it would only slow the pace. I mean, Ennis' work is paced so wonderfully, you could take six issues (140 pages) and make that an incredibly well-paced, action adventure for tv.
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I don't know man. I still gotta disagree. With all the extra stuff that goes into making a show and the extra couple of seconds or minutes it takes to go from panel to panel in the comics could be used with small extra stuff that could fill up the 50 minutes HBO uses for their shows.

At least if I was making the show I know I could.

All the "fluff" I'm adding wouldn't detract from the story at all. I'm basing the show on the pacing style of Deadwood and The Sopranos. It would all work out.


Unless your show was one of the few HBO shows that was just a 30 minute series.



It all works out in my head.
 
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Victor Von Doom said:
All the "fluff" I'm adding wouldn't detract from the story at all. I'm basing the show on the pacing style of Deadwood and The Sopranos. It would all work out.
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Yeah, I'm not because it ain't Sopranos or Deadwood. It's Punisher. Super-death western! Rarrgh! :D
 
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Bass said:
Yeah, I'm not because it ain't Sopranos or Deadwood. It's Punisher. Super-death western! Rarrgh! :D
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I don't want it to be another Deadwood/Soprans...I'm likening the pace to it.

I.........nevermind.





Anyways I'm sad that I must almost another 30 days to get my Barracuda finale and more Punisher MAX. Tear. :sad:
 
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Victor Von Doom said:
I don't want it to be another Deadwood/Soprans...I'm likening the pace to it.
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I know, but even the pace is unlike those shows! Those shows deal with personal and inner conflicts, but Punisher is all about the gunishment!

Victor Von Doom said:
Anyways I'm sad that I must almost another 30 days to get my Barracuda finale and more Punisher MAX. Tear. :sad:
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Hold me.
 
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