Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline

[DIrishB]

Wonder if this upcoming novel (out in November, along with The Cosmic Quest Vol 2 novel) is canon?

Avengers - Infinity War: Thanos - Titan Consumed

Shouldn't this be in 1990s since it is Killmonger being told this as a child?

Eh, I wanted to reflect the first 30 seconds as earluest point. I guess I can differentiate with audio/visual only cues.

Scott has been under house arrest for two years.

[video=youtube;94LMvchi7lY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94LMvchi7lY[/video]

Either the movie takes place in 2018 (possibly concurrently with Infinity War), or the scene is near the end of the movie after a timeskip.

Also:

https://www.fandango.com/movie-news...-the-wasp-from-the-other-marvel-movies-753273

I doubt it's happening at same time as Infinity War, but two years after Civil War would put it sometime in 2018, likely soon before the events of Infinity War. Depending on where IW ultimately gets narrowed down to (assuming it does), that will determine the window of time for A&tW.

Further, if A&tW DOES feature a date onscreen, that can help place IW as well (at least in terms of sometime after it). So, if A&tW shows a date I'd say, July, 2018, when it's released, IW (and Thor - Ragnarok) would have to occur sometime after. That would indicate the mention of an Asgardian in the city in AoS, which is pretty firmly set in Dec, 2017 to early 2018, would have to indicate a different Asgardian. Odin seems the most likely, since he was on Earth at the time.

 

[Agamotto]

Scott has been under house arrest for two years.

[video=youtube;94LMvchi7lY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94LMvchi7lY[/video]

Either the movie takes place in 2018 (possibly concurrently with Infinity War), or the scene is near the end of the movie after a timeskip.

Also:

https://www.fandango.com/movie-news...-the-wasp-from-the-other-marvel-movies-753273

Was really glad to see that, was a bit concerned after the first trailer that it might present itself as being soon after Civil War despite Cassie looking 3 years older than in Ant-Man and the Salesforce Tower being present in San Francisco and the strong likelihood of it being set close to Infinity War. 2018 works nicely, we'll just have to see how it fits with Infinity War

Wonder if this upcoming novel (out in November, along with The Cosmic Quest Vol 2 novel) is canon?

Avengers - Infinity War: Thanos - Titan Consumed

It's apparently not canon.

I doubt it's happening at same time as Infinity War, but two years after Civil War would put it sometime in 2018, likely soon before the events of Infinity War. Depending on where IW ultimately gets narrowed down to (assuming it does), that will determine the window of time for A&tW.

Further, if A&tW DOES feature a date onscreen, that can help place IW as well (at least in terms of sometime after it). So, if A&tW shows a date I'd say, July, 2018, when it's released, IW (and Thor - Ragnarok) would have to occur sometime after. That would indicate the mention of an Asgardian in the city in AoS, which is pretty firmly set in Dec, 2017 to early 2018, would have to indicate a different Asgardian. Odin seems the most likely, since he was on Earth at the time.

Kevin Feige said Spider-Man 2 will be in Peter's junior year, and set after Avengers 4. So, with Peter's junior year coming to an end in June 2018, Infinity War really shouldn't be later than June 2018, for Peter to still have some junior year left.

Thor: Ragnarok I feel is pretty firmly in 2017. There's the lines in the film, "Sokovia, Ultron, that was 2 years ago," "I've been Hulk for 2 years?", and "trapped for 2 years inside of a monster". And then there were loads of times that it got mentioned in interviews:
*Mark Ruffalo: "He's been Hulk for 2 years, so he has a vocab of a 2-year-old. We're going to have a speaking Hulk."
*Mark Ruffalo: "When we find him, he's been Hulk for 2 years [...] and now he's the gladiator champion of Sakaar, so he's enjoying quite a bit of fame and adulation."
*Executive producer Brad Winderbaum: "It's not like, five minutes after Ultron ends we start this movie. It's a couple years later..."
*Collider set visit report: "Hulk has been in 'Hulk-form' for 2 years straight."
*Production designer Dan Hennah: "He's been Hulk for 2 years."
*Executive producer Brad Winderbaum: "We kind of find him as like a lone gunslinger [..] A guy who's been adventuring around the cosmos, for 2 years right at the top of our movie. So he's a more savvy version of [himself]."
*Visual effects supervisor Jake Morrison: "So we figured if Ruffalo's going to be delivering the lines, why not say because he was trapped in the back of Hulk's mind for 2 years that a little bit of him didn't leak out, maybe, and maybe that's why he can speak a little bit and maybe, just maybe, that means he might look a little but more like Ruffalo."
*Visual effects supervisor Jake Morrison: "Okay, if Banner's been trapped inside the Hulk for the last 2 years, they've probably morphed a bit more, and there's a pretty good reason that the Hulk should look a little bit more like Ruffalo."
*Mark Ruffalo: "He's been in the trunk of the Hulk for 2 years."
*The Russos also, talking about Infinity War, said about Banner, "Look, he disappeared for two years." We know it has to be closer to 3 actually, but I think this is mainly coming from the number of times Marvel mentioned that Banner's been Hulk for 2 years in Ragnarok, and so that figure is in their head.
*And Tom Hiddleston also said, "It's been 4 years since Thor: The Dark World, and Loki is pretending to be Odin."

The sheer number of times we've basically been told it's 2017 I feel outweighs the implication that Infinity War is pretty soon after - if Infinity War has to end up a few months after Ragnarok, so be it, I personally feel.

The argument could be made that because time on Sakaar is different, the quotes about the Hulk just mean that he's been Hulk for 2 years personally, but outside of Sakaar it's been almost 3 years for everyone else - but it's Thor who tells Banner Age of Ultron was 2 years ago, and a few of the quotes above don't refer to the Hulk but just generally a passage of 2 normal years, and all the Hulk-related ones are definitely intended as just the real amount of time that passed, not Sakaar time.



As for how Ant-Man and the Wasp (or indeed Avengers 4 or Spider-Man 2) could help close in on specific dates for Infinity War, I feel like we're hoping for no later than March 2018.
*From Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., ideally it would be January. This would make sense for the snow seen in The Devil Complex, which is 4 days before the start of Infinity War, the fact that End of the Beginning, which is December 2013 on this timeline, is "four years ago" (so ideally this is as early as possible in 2018), and the fact that The Devil Complex very much feels like merely days since Episodes 12 and 13, which are set in December 2017 - any more than a few weeks having passed becomes a big stretch.
*From Thor: Ragnarok, again, it would ideally be January, to be as close as possible to the events of that film, which shouldn't really be later than early December 2017 (because of the reference in All the Comforts of Home and the fact that as you get into late 2017, you're pushing it a bit for events from April/May 2015 to have been referred to so many times as just "2 years ago", not "over 2 years" or "more than 2 years").
*From the film itself, it would ideally be more like spring. The weather looks more like spring, and the references to The Avengers (May 2012) being 6 years ago and Civil War (March-April 2016 on this timeline) as being 2 years ago, would maybe suggest a little bit later than January.
But considering all of that, yeah, later than March would be problematic. And with Spider-Man 2, unless there were some strange circumstance where Avengers 4 rewinds things so that it actually finishes in the timeline months before Infinity War started, or Peter has to retake junior year, we're looking at Infinity War having to absolutely be no later than June 2018.

 

[DIrishB]

In Cloak & Dagger 1x04, Tandy mentions its been 8 years since her father's death, the storm, and the Roxxon rig explosion, reaffirming the 8 year mention by Tyrone's father in earlier episode.

I'm going to start in on Luke Cage Season 2 tonight and will post timeline markers or notes as I go through the episodes.

Tyrone mentions that his brother's death occurred when he was 8 years old (referring to how his parents treat/view him), indicating he's around 15-16 in the show (depending on his birthday, since his brother died and Roxxon rig exploded in lmid April, 2007, and we're presumably in late February (or possibly early March) of 2015, probably in sophomore or junior year of high school. Since we haven't seen the state championship/finals covered in the show yet (assuming it will be), I'm inclined to think its still late February.

Remains to be seen how this show can fit into that time period with Jessica Jones Season 1 (in terms of if I can place entire first season of C&D between episodes of JJ Season 1, or if I need to alternate them).

Also, Cloak & Dagger is beginning to get RIDICULOUS in regards to the number of flashbacks each episode utilizes.

 

[selfishmisery]

Cloak & Dagger is so dull and baaaad. Worse than Inhumans. I have zero clue why it has such rave reviews.

 

[YuMoHo]

Luke Cage season two is good so far. On episode five,

Spoiler

Misty just got her arm

Cloak & Dagger is so dull and baaaad. Worse than Inhumans. I have zero clue why it has such rave reviews.

Oh no! I was waiting for it to be over before I watched it, I didn't want to hear that

 

[TalonCard]

I can see where it wouldn't be for everyone (I'm still on the fence about it myself) but Cloak and Dagger does have a few things going for it over Inhumans: the cast is much smaller so it's easier to focus in on the storyline, the look of the show is interesting, and there seems to be something different visually and/or narrative wise going on in each episode. The plot unfolds at an extremely slow pace for sure, though, so it might be better binged than watched week-to-week.

I don't think this will line up with the current version of the timeline, but the magazine featuring Atreus Plastics shown in episode 1 of Luke Cage appears to have a May/June 2018 date.

TC

 

[DIrishB]

Cloak & Dagger is so dull and baaaad. Worse than Inhumans. I have zero clue why it has such rave reviews.

I'm really enjoying it. Its quite good, honestly. It's characterization is stellar, its subversion of cliched tropes is even better, and I'm really enjoying how its utilizing the culture and setting of New Orleans. Plus, the two lead actors are quite talented and presenting very layered characters.

Its definitely not worse than Inhumans, lol. Honestly its one of the stronger MCU shows, critically speaking, hence the good reviews.

Luke Cage season two is good so far. On episode five,

Spoiler

Misty just got her arm

Oh no! I was waiting for it to be over before I watched it, I didn't want to hear that

Its worth watching. I find C&D to be quite good.

I can see where it wouldn't be for everyone (I'm still on the fence about it myself) but Cloak and Dagger does have a few things going for it over Inhumans: the cast is much smaller so it's easier to focus in on the storyline, the look of the show is interesting, and there seems to be something different visually and/or narrative wise going on in each episode. The plot unfolds at an extremely slow pace for sure, though, so it might be better binged than watched week-to-week.

I don't think this will line up with the current version of the timeline, but the magazine featuring Atreus Plastics shown in episode 1 of Luke Cage appears to have a May/June 2018 date.

TC

Just saw that (at 14:22 mark of the episode). It does look like May/June 2018, though obviously that doesn't really jive with likelihood of Infinity War occurring around that time (or beforehand). It's also possible its May/June 2016, but probably not. It does look like 2018. It really can't be May/June 2016 anyway since that would place events of LC Season 2 before events of The Defenders, which we know can't be the case since Misty loses her arm in Defenders and is dealing with fallout of it in LC Season 2.

So, guess it is 2018...? Which would mean Infinity War has to occur sometime after May, 2018, which aligns with its release date.

Another timeline marker (not specific though) is the Harlem Jets youth football program training camp Luke goes to in beginning of Episode 2. Its also either late Spring or Summer based on the trees and warm weather.

 

[selfishmisery]

I don't think this will line up with the current version of the timeline, but the magazine featuring Atreus Plastics shown in episode 1 of Luke Cage appears to have a May/June 2018 date.

TC

Honestly, it was so blurry I don't think we were meant to see it; similar to the "2017" date on gangster's plane ticket towards the beginning of The Punisher's first episode.

 

[DIrishB]

Honestly, it was so blurry I don't think we were meant to see it; similar to the "2017" date on gangster's plane ticket towards the beginning of The Punisher's first episode.

Yeah, very well could be the case, but at the same time the prop dept usually take cues from director and script in terms of such things, indicating that may have been intended at time of filming (to sort of align with real world release date in late June, 2018), but the showrunners probably weren't informed of Infinity War's specifics and plot.

I'm gonna keep an eye out for other dates for now to see if those can override the May/June 2018 date.

Another thing to consider on that front is that magazines are usually released the month before their cover date month/year, so it may indicate April, 2018, which could work if we assume IW occurs around May, 2018 (or even late April). Not sure that necessarily works, but its a possibility.

 

[DIrishB]

Episode 4 of Luke Cage Season 2, at the 18:15 mark, in lower left corner of Misty's car window is registration sticker that expires 9/18, indicated its sometime between September 2017 (or 2016 if its a 2 year sticker) and September, 2018, which aligns with the presumed April, 2018 date based on the May/June 2018 magazine in first episode.

At the 44:37 mark of 2x04, Shades' car's registration sticker shows an expiration of 1/2018, indicating its sometime before January, 2018, which does conflict with the magazine date from first episode. Unless of course Shades just hasn't bothered updating registration for at least several months, which is possible, but unlikely.

In episode 5, Mariah mentions the events of episode 1 (her getting the inside info on the plastic company she invested in) occurred "a few weeks ago". Episodes 1-4 occur one after the other, covering a period of 7 days. That'd mean Episode 5 would have to pick up around two weeks AFTER episode 4... though the episodes don't really make it seem that long, as Cockroach still has injuries that appear fresh (from Luke's attack). Also, Luke is still seemingly suffering slightly from the concussion Bushmaster gave him in the previous episode's beginning, which wouldn't make sense if it was actually two weeks later.

So far no specific dates have been seen other than the May/June 2018 magazine cover.

Later in the episode at around 48:25 mark, the police chief mentions to Comanche "I gave you a week", indicating its been a week since previous episode, putting Episode 5 at 14 days passed from Episode 1-5, not at least 21 days to match Mariah's "few weeks" comment. We can assume she was overestimating for whatever reason.

I'm unsure when the flashbacks covering Misty and Scarfe (and the death of Scarfe's son Earl) occur, but for now I'll place them in 2014, around a year before events of Luke Cage Season 1, as that allows some time for Scarfe to have dealt with the death and resort to the joking defense mechanism Misty described him utilizing in Season 1 (to deal with Earl's death).

Loved the line toward end of Episode 5: "You wanna hire this hero? The price just doubled." Heroes for Hire reference ftw!

So far the days passed breakdown for first five episodes covers 14 days:


2014??? (before LC Season 1)
Luke Cage 2x05: "All Souled Out" (0:28:42 - 0:30:32)
Luke Cage 2x05: "All Souled Out" (0:44:15 - 0:46:58)
Luke Cage 2x05: "All Souled Out" (0:49:26 - 0:50:31)

Day 1
Luke Cage 2x01: "Soul Brother #1" (0:00:00 - 0:02:58)

Day 2
Luke Cage 2x01: "Soul Brother #1" (0:02:59 - 0:25:09)

Day 3
Luke Cage 2x01: "Soul Brother #1" (0:25:10 - 0:40:31)

Day 4
Luke Cage 2x01: "Soul Brother #1" (0:40:32 - 0:54:00)

Day 5
Luke Cage 2x02: "Straighten It Out" (0:00:00 - 0:52:50)
Luke Cage 2x03: "Wig Out" (0:00:00 - 0:04:23)

Day 6
Luke Cage 2x03: "Wig Out" (0:04:24 - 0:57:12)
Luke Cage 2x04: "I Get Physical" (0:00:00 - 0:00:42)
Luke Cage 2x03: "Wig Out" (0:57:13 - 0:57:58)
Luke Cage 2x04: "I Get Physical" (0:00:43 - 0:06:18)

Day 7
Luke Cage 2x04: "I Get Physical" (0:06:19 - 0:52:20)

Day 14
Luke Cage 2x05: "All Souled Out" (0:00:00 - 0:28:41)
Luke Cage 2x05: "All Souled Out" (0:30:33 - 0:44:14)
Luke Cage 2x05: "All Souled Out" (0:46:59 - 0:49:25)
Luke Cage 2x05: "All Souled Out" (0:50:32 - 0:55:28)

 

[DIrishB]

At the 5:15 mark of Episode 6, the Jamaicans are watching a soccer game. No clue who the teams playing are, but maybe a soccer fan might know? Could help pin down specific dates for the episodes.

At around the 14:50-14:55 mark of episode 6, the police chief reaffirms that its only been a week since events of the first four episodes.

At the 29:24 mark, Mariah looks up her bank account (the one Bushmaster emptied) and it shows "Next Statement: Sept 1, 2018"... usually bank statements are released monthly, indicating the intended timeline was August, 2018. This obviously conflicts with Infinity War, as well as the previous May/June 2018 magazine date (indicating April, 2018 if the magazine was new), given only 15 days have passed in season 2 up to that point (based on day night cycle and dialogue backing up placements).

So... looks like Luke Cage Season 2, much like the previous Netflix shows, have weird screwed up timelines that conflict with the day/night cycle and dialogue.

Ironically LC Season 2 seems to differ from the previous Netflix shows in that those aligned--date wise--with the filming dates, whereas Luke Cage Season 2 is aligning with release date and beyond (which majorly conflicts with IW).

Seriously, Marvel Studios and Marvel TV, hire a continuity overseer, please.

 

[DIrishB]

Can someone check Luke Cage 1x04 "Step in the Arena" and see where best spot is to insert the flashbacks from Luke Cage 2x07 "On and On" (the quick flashbacks to when Luke was in prison and his parents were visiting him)?

My external HD crashed about a month back and I lost all my MCU digital collection, and am busy working on the Season 2 placements currently.

Specifically the following flashback scenes:


Luke Cage 2x07: "On and On" (0:46:03 - 0:46:07)
Luke Cage 2x07: "On and On" (0:47:11 - 0:47:16)
Luke Cage 2x07: "On and On" (0:47:21 - 0:47:26)

 

[Craig]

Ironically LC Season 2 seems to differ from the previous Netflix shows in that those aligned--date wise--with the filming dates, whereas Luke Cage Season 2 is aligning with release date and beyond (which majorly conflicts with IW).

Seriously, Marvel Studios and Marvel TV, hire a continuity overseer, please.

Yeah... it's like the only one to do that. And Infinity War is basically the only movie to affect the shows, so they screwed up.

I haven't had time to start so I have very little actual input, but prop dates aside, have there been any verbal time reference to season 1 or Defenders? Or even Jessica Jones season 2?

 

[Agamotto]

I won't have time to start Luke Cage: Season 2 for a few more days, but sounds like it's going to be causing problems again. Every time I think the Netflix shows have got back on track, another problem arises.

Speaking of TV continuity, Cloak & Dagger's timeline is a mess. The accident is pretty firmly April 18, 2007, because that security footage was so blatantly shown. Nathan's ID contradicts this (but also even misspells his surname...), and the 6/6/08 vision somewhat contradicts it (though that can be easily explained away).

Then we have the dialogue, which is clearly placing it 8 years on. So February 2015.

Tyrone was 8 at the time of the accident, so he was born between April 19, 1998 and April 18, 1999. Contradicts the date from his mother's vision, but that can be easily explained.

If he were born October 1, 1998-April 18, 1999 he'd be a sophomore in February 2015, and be 15-16. I doubt he's a sophomore with the line about 3 years, and just how old he and his classmates look and act. If he were born April 19, 1998-September 30, 1998 he'd be a junior in February 2015 and he'd be 16. Possible.

If he were born October 1, 1998-April 18, 1999 he'd be a junior in February 2016, and be 16-17. If he were born April 19, 1998-September 30, 1998 he'd be a senior in February 2016 and he'd be 17.

If he were born October 1, 1998-April 18, 1999 he'd be a senior in February 2017, and be 17-18. If he were born April 19, 1998-September 30, 1998, it can't be later than February 2016 for him to still be in school.

Then we have the in-universe music, released up to April 2017, suggesting February 2018. But OK, different universe, the music doesn't matter all too much. The phones used and software seem more 2017, but I'm not entirely sure, and again, different universe, maybe the Apple devices and software are a bit further ahead.

Then we have this from the latest episode. The article says, "Currently chairs a committee in 2017."

If the accident had been more like 2009, this would be far easier, but it's so clearly 2007. Agh, how hard is it to map it out before you make props/write timeline dialogue?



Edit: I also thought I'd mention that in the clip released from Luke Cage: Season 2 referring to Game of Thrones, they mention the whole "Bend the knee" thing. I don't know when this comes up in Luke Cage: Season 2 - if it's early in the season or later - but the first episode with Daenerys saying "Bend the knee" aired July 30, 2017.

 

[selfishmisery]

My best guess for Luke Cage season two's timeline placement based on what DIrishB and Agamotto said is August 2017.

 

[eloesch289]

MAJOR ANT-MAN AND THE WASP SPOILERS:

Spoiler

After the first screenings last night, some info has come out about the post-credits scene for AMaTW: apparently, Hank, Janet, and Hope all vanish from Thanos' snap at the end of Infinity War. So the film either all takes place pretty close/at the same time as Infinity War, or there's a time jump between the main film and the post-credits scene.

 

[YuMoHo]

Edit: I also thought I'd mention that in the clip released from Luke Cage: Season 2 referring to Game of Thrones, they mention the whole "Bend the knee" thing. I don't know when this comes up in Luke Cage: Season 2 - if it's early in the season or later - but the first episode with Daenerys saying "Bend the knee" aired July 30, 2017.

Bend the knee is a common expression.

 

[Agamotto]

Bend the knee is a common expression.

Yeah I know, so if necessary (if evidence points to pre-July 2017) it can be passed off as the guy using "Bend the knee" as just something Daenerys might say, and then it happens to be that some time later, Season 7 airs, and she use the phrase repeatedly and it becomes a quote attributed to her.

But the intention of the line is a reference to Season 7. Just like how he says "Dracarys", he's talking about things Daenerys says, referring to "Bend the knee", which was a recurring plot point in Season 7. So ideally, it would be after July 30, 2017.

 

[selfishmisery]

Then we have this from the latest episode. The article says, "Currently chairs a committee in 2017."

If the accident had been more like 2009, this would be far easier, but it's so clearly 2007. Agh, how hard is it to map it out before you make props/write timeline dialogue?

Again, I don't think we were meant to see that. The 2007 date on the camera I'd say is the most objective one since it's more visible than the others (and isn't in a vision).

 

[TalonCard]

At the 29:24 mark, Mariah looks up her bank account (the one Bushmaster emptied) and it shows "Next Statement: Sept 1, 2018"... usually bank statements are released monthly, indicating the intended timeline was August, 2018. This obviously conflicts with Infinity War, as well as the previous May/June 2018 magazine date (indicating April, 2018 if the magazine was new), given only 15 days have passed in season 2 up to that point (based on day night cycle and dialogue backing up placements).

I think an August 2018 date is at least consistent within the context of the season--there was no indication in the show that the magazine cover was the latest issue. It really just boils down to whether we're taking seriously the out-of-universe assertion that all current Marvel TV shows are taking place before Infinity War, in which case the prop dates can be safely ignored. It seems kind of obvious that

Spoiler

the next Avengers movie will reset the timeline/universe to some degree so that at the very least Thanos's snap never occurs, so once that happens we won't have to worry about Luke Cage's dates contradicting Infinity War any more than we do the negated Quake-destroys-the-world timelines in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. or whatever is happening in future LA in Runaways.

We do have 2-3 more Netflix seasons premiering before Avengers 4 even comes out, all of which probably take place after this season, so assuming Luke Cage S2 occurs in close proximity to/in the same timeline with Infinity War is going to be problematic no matter what.

TC