An example of the clock is a very well example of why we ignore those props, the only worth it is the Luke Cage's one due to Founders Day of Harlem mention but for the rest of us not... Also I noiced that in Jessica Jones episode 11 after the attack on Jessica there is a May 5th date from the time of the season was filmed... does that mean that Jessica Jones happens in May 2015? According to your logic
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@A13G10
Man, if you weren't such a condescending prick, the people here would be much more apt to listen to you. But I guarantee, every single person who frequents this thread is going to see that you posted and roll their eyes. You have this attitude about you that makes people dread for when you're going to post next. I really could see you playing a valuable part to this timeline if you didn't act the way you do and weren't as stubborn as you are. You obviously have a good eye for timeline work. But you're so bullheaded that you won't admit when you're wrong, or listen to anyone else's argument. There's a couple things here I don't necessarily agree with. I've tried once or twice to make the argument to include the Stark Expo '74 promo. And the argument to place the WHIH Scott Lang Break-In Footage when the footage was shot. But you know what? I was vetoed and I moved on with my life. But then YOU post these condescending little remarks and make everyone wish you would stick to your own wrong timeline.
@DB and other higher ups in this thread. I'm very sorry if I'm out of line with this post. I'm just sick of seeing this guy come and disrespect your work. This timeline that you've put so much work into, that I've followed and respected for years. And for him to just come with his smug attitude and act like he's the 'know all' of the MCU. So, I do apologize if I've overstepped my boundaries here.
Man, if you weren't such a condescending prick, the people here would be much more apt to listen to you. But I guarantee, every single person who frequents this thread is going to see that you posted and roll their eyes. You have this attitude about you that makes people dread for when you're going to post next. I really could see you playing a valuable part to this timeline if you didn't act the way you do and weren't as stubborn as you are. You obviously have a good eye for timeline work. But you're so bullheaded that you won't admit when you're wrong, or listen to anyone else's argument. There's a couple things here I don't necessarily agree with. I've tried once or twice to make the argument to include the Stark Expo '74 promo. And the argument to place the WHIH Scott Lang Break-In Footage when the footage was shot. But you know what? I was vetoed and I moved on with my life. But then YOU post these condescending little remarks and make everyone wish you would stick to your own wrong timeline.
@DB and other higher ups in this thread. I'm very sorry if I'm out of line with this post. I'm just sick of seeing this guy come and disrespect your work. This timeline that you've put so much work into, that I've followed and respected for years. And for him to just come with his smug attitude and act like he's the 'know all' of the MCU. So, I do apologize if I've overstepped my boundaries here.
A13G10, the problem with your suggestions is that a lot of the time, you don't really back it up with proof as to why you think the placement of something should be changed.
If you would say something like "I think you should put this scene/episode/movie at this date, because of X line, or put this amount of days/months in between in order for Y to happen", then that would be fine. Even if your evidence was disagreed with, you'd still be making valuable contributions. But you repeatedly push forward your "release date" argument, when in fact, the majority of the time, these have no evidence backing it up, and it would make more sense to place the movie's events with the help of the props seen in-movie.
Of course, props can sometimes be wrong, as seen with Iron Man 3's newspaper saying it takes place in December 2013, when it takes place in Christmas around 6 months after The Avengers which takes place in 2012, but they make more sense more often than not.
For an example of timeline placements making more sense with the help of props, see Ant-Man and Civil War. In the climax of Ant-Man, when Scott and Darren are fighting in the suitcase, Darren's iPod says "October 9", which indicates that there was likely a two-month timeskip after Scott gets released from jail. According to props seen in Civil War (the newspaper in Lagos at the beginning and the Fedex package Tony receives at the end), the bulk of the movie takes place in April.
In the final scene of Ant-Man, the existence of Spider-Man is alluded to, while in Civil War, Peter says that he's had his powers for six months. If this takes place in April 2016, and the ending of Ant-Man takes place in October 2015 (which is six months earlier), this aligns perfectly.
Also, please note that the MCU Wiki's approach to dates and the timeline is frequently contradictory, as they use props for placing certain characters' birthdays but not for the present-day events of the movies themselves, and sometimes they even make up certain dates for events which had no date markers to indicate their placement, but yet they still choose to ignore props.
If you would say something like "I think you should put this scene/episode/movie at this date, because of X line, or put this amount of days/months in between in order for Y to happen", then that would be fine. Even if your evidence was disagreed with, you'd still be making valuable contributions. But you repeatedly push forward your "release date" argument, when in fact, the majority of the time, these have no evidence backing it up, and it would make more sense to place the movie's events with the help of the props seen in-movie.
Of course, props can sometimes be wrong, as seen with Iron Man 3's newspaper saying it takes place in December 2013, when it takes place in Christmas around 6 months after The Avengers which takes place in 2012, but they make more sense more often than not.
For an example of timeline placements making more sense with the help of props, see Ant-Man and Civil War. In the climax of Ant-Man, when Scott and Darren are fighting in the suitcase, Darren's iPod says "October 9", which indicates that there was likely a two-month timeskip after Scott gets released from jail. According to props seen in Civil War (the newspaper in Lagos at the beginning and the Fedex package Tony receives at the end), the bulk of the movie takes place in April.
In the final scene of Ant-Man, the existence of Spider-Man is alluded to, while in Civil War, Peter says that he's had his powers for six months. If this takes place in April 2016, and the ending of Ant-Man takes place in October 2015 (which is six months earlier), this aligns perfectly.
Also, please note that the MCU Wiki's approach to dates and the timeline is frequently contradictory, as they use props for placing certain characters' birthdays but not for the present-day events of the movies themselves, and sometimes they even make up certain dates for events which had no date markers to indicate their placement, but yet they still choose to ignore props.
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The watch dates seem plausible so far; but I wouldn't necessarily take them to be completely accurate after the crash. (It's possible that the crash would have caused the watch to work incorrectly, and we don't know for sure if Strange would have had it repaired--all we know is that he kept it for sentimental reasons.)
That's...a good point, actually. I think it could still maybe work if it was a little over a month after the accident (according to the current thread timeline) as IIRC Strange was only being interviewed, and could have just been talking about work he was doing before the accident. (Maybe it was a disastrous interview, in keeping with Strange's downhill slide; we don't know.)
That said, is there anything keeping the Newsfront video in March, or could it (and the associated SHIELD episodes with the ATC) be pushed back to January/February, before the accident?
Also a good point. But I think the extent of Strange's injuries necessitates a pretty long recovery period. If anything, I'd suggest that the book theft scenes could take place after the early Strange scenes in the movie, as there's nothing connecting the two until Strange arrives in Nepal.
I can't actually make heads or tails about what you're saying here. I vaguely remember a Hong Kong reference in Agents of SHIELD, but Doctor Strange wasn't out yet so I didn't have anything to connect it to. Was this reference discussed here?
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That's...a good point, actually. I think it could still maybe work if it was a little over a month after the accident (according to the current thread timeline) as IIRC Strange was only being interviewed, and could have just been talking about work he was doing before the accident. (Maybe it was a disastrous interview, in keeping with Strange's downhill slide; we don't know.)
That said, is there anything keeping the Newsfront video in March, or could it (and the associated SHIELD episodes with the ATC) be pushed back to January/February, before the accident?
Also a good point. But I think the extent of Strange's injuries necessitates a pretty long recovery period. If anything, I'd suggest that the book theft scenes could take place after the early Strange scenes in the movie, as there's nothing connecting the two until Strange arrives in Nepal.
I can't actually make heads or tails about what you're saying here. I vaguely remember a Hong Kong reference in Agents of SHIELD, but Doctor Strange wasn't out yet so I didn't have anything to connect it to. Was this reference discussed here?
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DIrishB
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Yeah the days of week have never lined up.
Not necessarily. The timeline currently has Strange's accident occurring a month and a half before that. It's entirely possible the interview occurred before the accident, and was then edited and scheduled to air on a specific program on a specific date (like 20/20 or Dateline, their stories are often filmed and interviews done weeks before the stories air on TV). Further, Strange's accident wouldn't be public knowledge, necessarily.
It's also possible to just move that video up to before Strange's accident. There's no mention in the video of it occurring on same day, we just assumed that due to the same costumes/outfits worn. It's also possible that's merely a coincidence, but I don't view it that way. I think the interview could've been done just before his accident (few days or weeks) and it was just held off to air towards end of March. That happens all the time with those weekly news programs.
Doesn't look like anything because the crack clearly covers entire number. Think you're just seeing what you want to see, mate. Further, May - December 2016 doesn't allow anywhere near enough time for his seven surgeries and recuperation time AND his time spent in Kamar Taj studying under Ancient One. Sorry, man, but there's no way it covers only 6-7 months. Even Derrickson himself said the film lasted around a year, not 6-7 months.
Right, but again you're ignoring the fact he had SEVEN DIFFERENT SURGERIES! That doesn't happen on only a couple months, especially accounting for recuperation time after surgeries and beginning physical therapy after a certain amount of time healing... not unless Strange has similar fast healing like Wolverine, anyway.
True, but the spell he stole was very advanced per Wong's/Ancient One's own words concerning those spell books. Perhaps the spell had to be studied and translated from an ancient language, which took time? Perhaps the spell had to be performed at a specific location and Kaecilius and his team spent that time searching world for that location. There are plenty of explanations that work. The recuperation time of Strange and his time training establish it must be longer than your suggestion.
Lol, you literally just said no one could know of the events in Hong Kong due to Strange using time stone to revert/set everything back to how it was. Beyond Strange, Mordo, and Wong (and Kaecilius and his followers who are now dead or stuck in Dark Dimension), literally NO ONE would know anything happened in Hong Kong. Also, Nadeer is a Senator who gets Intel directly from Mace, so she would very likely know about ALL the various Inhuman incidents SHIELD has participated in, but NOT the mystical battle in Hong Kong that occurs at end of Doctor Strange due to timeline being reset.
Further, it's entirely possible the Hong Kong thing is referring to a separate incident entirely.
I disagree.
Why would Ant-Man's post credit scene have to occur in 2017? Spider-Man had been around since late 2015 at least based on comments made in Civil War that he'd been doing it for six months (so around October, 2015, exactly when Ant-Man ends). Why would you push that to 2017?
Lol, what? Now you're just making unfounded assumptions. The watch was broken so it wasn't ticking at all, clockwise OR counterclockwise.
Yes there is, to make sense of both heatwave and later established Christmas date. Further, the jury selection process went through over 400 potential jurors... there's no way that happened in only a few days or a week. The judge's annoyance also reflects that they've probably been at it awhile.
Take also into account all the boxes of evidence DA sent them that they had to go through before trial started. No way that was done in a week either.
Start paying attention to those details and it becomes quite clear.
Lol, except most of the prop dates DO work, which you're conveniently ignoring. As for the Jessica Jones date, I'll double check. Maybe I missed that one. Can you share the time code (around when it occurs) in the episode so I can check specifically? But yes, if it does reflect such a date, it would work. What is date on? Newspaper, cell phone, email/computer screen? Or are you referring to a flyer hung on wall of alley or something? If so, in latter case, the flyer may just be old, or it may be advertising an upcoming event in May, a few months away. Without more specifics I can't say.
No, man, I appreciate you saying it for me.
Thing is, I want everyone to feel welcome here, even A13G10. But yeah, there is an undeniable element of condescension to his posts, which make it hard to take him seriously, let alone his refusal to utilize sound logic in many of these debates.
Exactly. Well said.
Could be, but again we also have to account for Strange's surgeries and recovery time. And later, his time spent studying in Kamar Taj.
Like I said, I think it's more likely it's an interview for one of those weekly nightly news shows like 60 Minutes, 20/20, Dateline. They often do stories/interviews weeks or even a couple months before they finally air. Sometimes it's sooner when a story they're covering is time sensitive, but for such an interview concerning a new experimental surgery, I could see the interview and filming being done weeks before.
That Newsfront video has the anchors wearing same outfits as the next video focusing on the Lagos incident, indicating it happened on same day. But again, I think the explanation of the video being given weeks before and it then airing in late March makes sense.
That's the thing, the Strange recovery time sets pace of the timeline and how much likely time passes. There's simply no way the movie occurs over only 6-7 months as A13G10 suggests.
Again, that could possibly be a reference to events of Doctor Strange, but as also said (even by A13G10 himself) no one would know anything even happened in Hong Kong relating to end of Doctor Strange film due to Strange essentially resetting timeline. Presumably only Strange, Mordo, and Wong would remember those events. So, the Senator referencing it doesn't really make sense. It makes sense she's referring to a separate Inhuman incident, especially since their entire debate was focused on Inhumans. Presumably the Hong Kong incident the Senator refers to was confirmed to be result of Inhuman, since she's blaming Inhumans for that incident, and not events of Doctor Strange film since timeline was reset and no one besides Strange, Wong, and Mordo would remember (well, and Dormammu).
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To play devil's advocate, I think he meant to say that Doctor Strange's post-credits scene takes place several months later, i.e in 2017, during the events of Thor: Ragnarok, just like how Ant-Man's post-credits scene takes place several months later, during the events of Civil War, and he just mis-phrased it.
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Just wanted to post that I love coming to this thread. Have been doing so since 2012. I come here not because I want to complain about this or that being wrong in their timeline or whatnot, but because its a community built timeline that is open to all ideas of how event should be documented in the MCU. It's an unbelievable feat what is on Page 1, but DB and many of the others have put heart and soul, and more importantly time into this timeline.
I personally use it as a basis for my own guide. My guide is built on a logical concept so that if a new person is watching for the first time, events happen and they don't have to either backtrack or question what is going on. Is it in perfect timeline setup? No, but its never meant to be. It's meant to let you watch everything only breaking seasons apart when necessary. Here on this thread, is where everything comes together. This is something that Marvel doesn't even bother doing as evidenced throughout this thread. They get some stuff right, but not everything. What the community here has done is try to make sense of all the evidence so we can document the events in the order as they occurred.
I for one appreciate what they have done even if I don't contribute a whole lot to the conversation. I still frequent this thread and love reading the discussion going on. 154 pages of MCU love is what I am looking at, and after growing up the geeky comic book nerd never finding someone to share that nerdom with, its amazing to see how far the nerd culture has come and that we can all come together and discuss or even philosophize like the greeks of old.
Keep up the good work Irish...keep up the good work everyone too. This guide is the stuff of legend.
I personally use it as a basis for my own guide. My guide is built on a logical concept so that if a new person is watching for the first time, events happen and they don't have to either backtrack or question what is going on. Is it in perfect timeline setup? No, but its never meant to be. It's meant to let you watch everything only breaking seasons apart when necessary. Here on this thread, is where everything comes together. This is something that Marvel doesn't even bother doing as evidenced throughout this thread. They get some stuff right, but not everything. What the community here has done is try to make sense of all the evidence so we can document the events in the order as they occurred.
I for one appreciate what they have done even if I don't contribute a whole lot to the conversation. I still frequent this thread and love reading the discussion going on. 154 pages of MCU love is what I am looking at, and after growing up the geeky comic book nerd never finding someone to share that nerdom with, its amazing to see how far the nerd culture has come and that we can all come together and discuss or even philosophize like the greeks of old.
Keep up the good work Irish...keep up the good work everyone too. This guide is the stuff of legend.
DIrishB
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Ah, ok. I agree. That scene is obviously lifted from Thor - Ragnarok and will be seen in that film. But the timeline already reflects that, so... least tentatively since I can't time code for another 6 months or so until the Bluray/DVD comes out.
I'm not tearing up. I'M NOT!
*sniffle*
But seriously, thanks fuzzy. Really nice statement man, and hugely appreciated.
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If you compare that watch to the first, clearer, image, and also reference Jan 2017 dates ... that lines up perfectly with Wed Jan 25 2017. Unless some other information presents itself, I think you have to go with that as the date.He arrives in Kathmandu, Nepal in January on a Wednesday (presumably 2017 but it's impossible to see last number in year due to crack in watch face):
DIrishB
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The reason I don't want to presume that is the day/date cycle doesn't align overall (it varies from film to film, and definitively doesn't line up with real world day/date, for instance Sat, July 18 in MCU's timeline might actually be Tuesday, July 18 in real timeline), so any such presumptions may end up being incorrect.
vintsukka
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Just listened to the Empire podcast about DS, and Scott Derrickson, the director, muddles up the timeline a bit more. He says Strange's recovery took somewhere between 3-6 months, and that it's early fall when the movie starts and it's late fall the next year when the climax takes place. But he does also say he's going from memory and might not have it exactly right.
Here's the podcast, the timeline stuff starts at around 5 minutes.
Maybe he misspoke, and meant it's early fall after Strange's recovery. That would pretty much line up, right?
Here's the podcast, the timeline stuff starts at around 5 minutes.
Maybe he misspoke, and meant it's early fall after Strange's recovery. That would pretty much line up, right?
DIrishB
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Maybe Kaecilius steals the book at very beginning in late fall, and then there's a jump of few months to when it picks up to Strange and his accident? Course 3-6 months isn't at all realistic for seven separate surgeries AND physical therapy recovery time.
Cloak and Dagger will come out in winter 2018:
http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/785417-marvels-cloak-and-dagger-showrunner-revealed-series-delayed
http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/785417-marvels-cloak-and-dagger-showrunner-revealed-series-delayed
DIrishB
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I'll add that once we know its a sure thing and will actually air (not another Most Wanted). Sure it will, but with so many projects going on now some are bound to slip through cracks and not go beyond a pilot.
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Where is my Damage Control! ROWR!
There is one thing that might have caught the senator's attention: there may be a car that vanishes through the portal Kaecilius conjures when he arrives in Hong Kong--I don't think you see it after the portal disappears. The timeline only resets after they arrive. Not as cataclysmic as the averted summoning of Dormammu, but probably enough to catch the eye of someone already concerned about teleporting Inhumans.
On the other hand, in addition to the other explanations about how the senator could have learned about the earlier Inhuman in Hong Kong when it was a SHIELD secret, we have an obvious one: all of SHIELD's files were leaked to the public in Winter Soldier. They walked it back a bit later by saying the files were still encrypted, but it's still a great go-to explanation for these kinds of things.
I still think it's preferable to have the Hong Kong reference refer to the SHIELD episode, but given the timing it's likely they (the episode's writers) were actually referring to Doctor Strange, and that will probably effect other timeline references down the road.
Plausible, but I wouldn't take the wardrobe choices as being definitive. If they were more than a month apart, it's entirely possible that Everhart had rotated through several outfits and just happened to be wearing the same one later on. (The real-life explanation is, of course, that they probably just knocked out all the Newsfront videos in a single day's filming session.) Male news personalities tend to wear more or less the same thing anyway. (I think there was even a news report awhile back about a morning show host who wore literally the exact same outfit for more than a year to prove a point, and no one noticed.)
I completely agree that it's not realistic--especially given how absolutely brutal the post accident makeup was. It's unlikely that his face would have healed in so short a time; never mind anything else. (And then there's the trip to Nepal and his mastery of sorcery, etc, etc.) But between Derrickson's comments and the Agents of SHIELD episodes, it seems like this was the timeline that the MCU folks intended, leaving aside the impracticality of it all:
Late Fall 2015:
Library attack
Early February 2016:
Strange accident
February-May 2016
Strange's "recovery"
May-Early November 2016
Strange's journey and training
Early November 2016
Kaecilius's defeat, Agents of SHIELD episode "Lockup""
November 2017
Thor: Ragnarok, Strange end credit scenes, etc.
If we want to make some kind of justification for Strange's improbable recovery time, it's possible that several of the procedures the Ancient One mentioned were done in the same operating session. And Strange is able to recover quickly enough from a heart wound to fight and defeat Kaecilius/Dormammu within a couple of days. And this is the MCU, where normal humans can get thrown against a wall and shrug it off. Still doesn't make a lot of sense, but it seems like this is what was intended.
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DIrishB
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Don't forget Mace (new SHIELD director) was shown to be feeding the Senator SHIELD Intel. It seems logical to presume she became aware of their various conflicts with Inhumans through that.
While true, it's not likely. Again, I think best way to explain it is to presume Strange gave an interview several weeks before, before his accident, and it was merely airing that evening.
Again, interviews that aren't necessarily time sensitive can be done weeks or even months in advance of airing.
Could be. I'll see if once it's out on DVD if any more sense can be made from it.
Huh. Wild, crazy speculation, but could it be possible the Inhumans are being shuffled to TV so as not to compete with a reintroduction of the X-Men on the film side, post Avengers Infinity films...?
Also, the idea of using IMAX to sell a TV show is kind of hilarious. "You loved them on the BIGGEST SCREEN, now get ready to see them on the smallest screen..."
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Also, the idea of using IMAX to sell a TV show is kind of hilarious. "You loved them on the BIGGEST SCREEN, now get ready to see them on the smallest screen..."
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