Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 3)

[Dallas Kinard]

We have said repeatedly you don't have to agree with us. You just have to accept we don't agree with you since we're the ones you tried to convince and failed.

I have accepted that you see things differently lol That much is quite obvious.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

Can you? You're the one that came back like 10 hours later

I have a life outside of this forum in case you didn't know.

 

[Starvel]

The weather and orange back to green trees aren't opinion, it's something anyone can look at themselves. It's objective.

Incorrect. See previous argument.

I've also mentioned Strange being comfortable and confident with his third eye, despite just getting it.

Understood. He's a Master of the Mystic Arts who became comfortable with an Infinity Stone despite just getting it and with the Third Eye and Dark Magic already has experience.

You've made it clear this is YOUR opinion on the timeline and you aren't open to changing it despite what official on-screen evidence shows.

No, I've made it clear this is my opinion because you have not provided sufficient evidence that the on-screen evidence doesn't work with the official placement.

I'll bet if the book wasn't out yet, you'd absolutely consider what I'm saying, but the book has blinded your critical thinking.

Maybe, but the book is out and it provides official word. It remains official until proven otherwise, not "could be wrong" until proven right

 

[Starvel]

I have accepted that you see things differently lol That much is quite obvious.

Great! You done.

 

[Starvel]

I have a life outside of this forum in case you didn't know.

Truly could've fooled me

 

[Dallas Kinard]

Incorrect. See previous argument.

Understood. He's a Master of the Mystic Arts who became comfortable with an Infinity Stone despite just getting it and with the Third Eye and Dark Magic already has experience.

No, I've made it clear this is my opinion because you have not provided sufficient evidence that the on-screen evidence doesn't work with the official placement.

Maybe, but the book is out and it provides official word. It remains official until proven otherwise, not "could be wrong" until proven right

"Incorrect. See previous argument."
Um no, the trees go from dead to alive within a day. Watch the freaking movie bro.

"Understood. He's a Master of the Mystic Arts who became comfortable with an Infinity Stone despite just getting it and with the Third Eye and Dark Magic already has experience."

Sure, that's one way to look at it. But it could be that it's been a year and he took time to grow in confidence. Both could be correct.

"No, I've made it clear this is my opinion because you have not provided sufficient evidence that the on-screen evidence doesn't work with the official placement."

THIS is an opinion, not a fact. "Sufficient evidence" is subjective. What I find sufficient, you do not. Opinion!

"Maybe, but the book is out and it provides official word. It remains official until proven otherwise, not "could be wrong" until proven right"

And I've provided reasons why the book could be wrong. How long are we going to do this?

 

[Dallas Kinard]

Truly could've fooled me

You should talk lol

 

[Starvel]

Um no, the trees go from dead to alive within a day. Watch the freaking movie bro.

I did. Can you provide new evidence or a different argument?

Sure, that's one way to look at it. But it could be that it's been a year and he took time to grow in confidence. Both could be correct.

Both could be yes. Do we have any other evidence to help narrow down which one is? WE DO?! MY GOODNESS AND ITS AN OFFICAL SOURCE?!

THIS is an opinion, not a fact. "Sufficient evidence" is subjective. What I find sufficient, you do not. Opinion!

And I'm the judge of what is sufficient enough.

And I've provided reasons why the book could be wrong. How long are we going to do this?

Did you read what I said. This is not a "guilty until proven innocent" situation. The book is official until you can PROVE otherwise. "Could be" is not proof, it is evidence which can be dismissable if other evidence suggests a different story.

Do you have new proof or new evidence?

 

[Starvel]

You should talk lol

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You should listen

 

[Dallas Kinard]

I did. Can you provide new evidence or a different argument?

Both could be yes. Do we have any other evidence to help narrow down which one is? WE DO?! MY GOODNESS AND ITS AN OFFICAL SOURCE?!

And I'm the judge of what is sufficient enough.

Did you read what I said. This is not a "guilty until proven innocent" situation. The book is official until you can PROVE otherwise. "Could be" is not proof, it is evidence which can be dismissable if other evidence suggests a different story.

Do you have new proof or new evidence?

"I did. Can you provide new evidence or a different argument?"

Why? I don't need to. The evidence I have given you've chosen to disregard.

"Both could be yes. Do we have any other evidence to help narrow down which one is? WE DO?! MY GOODNESS AND ITS AN OFFICAL SOURCE?!"

But the film itself IS an official source and it disagrees with the book due to on-screen evidence. I've said this countless times now.

"And I'm the judge of what is sufficient enough."

That's the problem lol

"Did you read what I said. This is not a "guilty until proven innocent" situation. The book is official until you can PROVE otherwise. "Could be" is not proof, it is evidence which can be dismissable if other evidence suggests a different story."

The film contradicts the book's placement. Official source versus another official source. That's what I'm pointing out.

"Do you have new proof or new evidence?"

I don't need any. The reasons I've shown are good enough.

Just note everyone, I offered to do this in DM, but Starvel can't let his ego go.

 

[Dallas Kinard]

You should listen

Clearly I have been, or else I wouldn't know your arguments.

 

[eloesch289]

Saying "there's been at least 5 Punishers" is not the same as one of the Punishers actually showing up. No references will be included, only SOLID connections.

agree but to me personally the russian variant is enough to count 2004 punisher, not trying to dictate what happens on the thread just stating my reasoning for my personal timeline

 

[Starvel]

Clearly I have been, or else I wouldn't know your arguments.

The argument is over. Listen to the part where I say "if you have nothing new to contribute accept this timeline isn't changing".

 

[eloesch289]

Anyone been lucky enough to watch Brave new world yet? Trying to find a year without spoiling myself too much

im seeing the film in 8 hours from now, that's the main thing ill be looking out for as im also hearing contradictory things regarding the year

 

[eloesch289]

The argument is over. Listen to the part where I say "if you have nothing new to contribute accept this timeline isn't changing".

honestly, i understand the reasoning of both sides but there's no rational reason to continue voicing those opinions as obviously neither side is going to (nor should they) budge

 

[Starvel]

Why? I don't need to. The evidence I have given you've chosen to disregard.

Correct. Until you bring something new nothing changes.

But the film itself IS an official source and it disagrees with the book due to on-screen evidence. I've said this countless times now.

Yep you have to the disagreement of many others. Until you bring something new nothing changes.

That's the problem lol

You're welcome to take the editing of this timeline upon yourself or find someone else willing. Until then nothing changes

The film contradicts the book's placement. Official source versus another official source. That's what I'm pointing out.

And one official sources evidence could be seen to work with the other. Until you bring something new, nothing changes.

I don't need any. The reasons I've shown are good enough.

Incorrect. Until you bring something new nothing changes

Just note everyone, I offered to do this in DM, but Starvel can't let his ego go.

Just note everyone, multiple people have told Dallas Kinard he needs to bring new evidence or accept that fact he's been heard and disagreed with. And he came back 10 hours after we all moved on.

 

[SoyaCS]

agree but to me personally the russian variant is enough to count 2004 punisher, not trying to dictate what happens on the thread just stating my reasoning for my personal timeline

I'd be OK with counting that too, if they made the russian variant look any thing like the 2004 variant, but they didn't. So for all we know it could be the russian from any of the three Punisher universes or none of them.

 

[eloesch289]

I'd be OK with counting that too, if they made the russian variant look any thing like the 2004 variant, but they didn't. So for all we know it could be the russian from any of the three Punisher universes or none of them.

really not trying to start another argument but according to the mcu wiki the book the art of deadpool & wolverine states that this version of the russian is specifically a variant of the version from earth-58732 (punisher 2004); i personally don't have access to this book, is there anyone here who happens to have it? i may have time to stop by a bookstore tomorrow to skim through it and see if i can find what that's talking about

 

[Starvel]

really not trying to start another argument but according to the mcu wiki the book the art of deadpool & wolverine states that this version of the russian is specifically a variant of the version from earth-58732 (punisher 2004); i personally don't have access to this book, is there anyone here who happens to have it? i may have time to stop by a bookstore tomorrow to skim through it and see if i can find what that's talking about

While that is definitely and interesting detail, it does still potentially fall under the MCU Prowler thinking from the AtSV since only an art books states it and even then concepts from the art books change between art and screen

 

[Dallas Kinard]

The argument is over. Listen to the part where I say "if you have nothing new to contribute accept this timeline isn't changing".

The argument is over, yet you STILL continue on here instead of just agreeing to disagree or PMing me. YOU are the one who is throwing a tantrum at this point.

"Correct. Until you bring something new nothing changes."

But I don't need to. You are just ignoring the evidence because a tie-in book contradicts it (which you admitted could be a mistake already).

"Yep you have to the disagreement of many others. Until you bring something new nothing changes."

Repeating yourself doesn't make you more correct. Why won't you just consider the evidence I've provided instead of demanding new/more evidence that you'd end up ignoring anyway?


"You're welcome to take the editing of this timeline upon yourself or find someone else willing. Until then nothing changes"

I don't need to. I don't rely on you guys for all of my MCU timeline facts. I practice my own critical thinking and come to conclusions based on evidence I see with my own senses. Nothing changes until you decide to change it. Seems pretty arbitrary on your part bud.

"And one official sources evidence could be seen to work with the other. Until you bring something new, nothing changes."
Could be? It doesn't though. It's a continuity issue. It's an error. It's WRONG.

"Incorrect. Until you bring something new nothing changes"

Broken record. Your argument hasn't gotten any stronger.

"Just note everyone, multiple people have told Dallas Kinard he needs to bring new evidence or accept that fact he's been heard and disagreed with. And he came back 10 hours after we all moved on."

See? He still refuses to just DM me and end it here. I offered to move past this thread but his massive ego won't allow him to be perceived as if he's conceded in any way. This man isn't being rational. He just has a complex. I don't need to bring new evidence. The evidence I have provided is sufficient to cast doubt on the book's placement. They just don't like the evidence so they ignore it.