It's sad that you even have to preface with this on here. Feel free to disagree with the people on this thread. They are not the end-all-be all of the MCU timeline. They can be wrong and if you have compelling evidence that goes against this thread, then go for it! This IS a fictional universe after all...
I agree you disagree. You are just as able to PM someone as anyone else. Until then, nothing changes.
You do actually, if you want this timeline to change, you do need to present something new, until then nothing changes.
I considered it. I disagree. Until you have something new, nothing changes.
Okay great, then use your own facts. No one is stopping you. We're just stopping it from being used here.
Yes, except the continuity errors is in the trees not the book. You can disagree all you'd like, until you bring something new nothing changes.
This is where your thinking is fucked up. The timeline is here, you were making an argument for change. This argument was disagreed with. As the judge I don't need a stronger argument, you need to prove past reasonable doubt that your argument is worth disregarding an official source that still agrees with on screen evidence. You have, like a broken record, said the same thing over and over. My defense remains and it doesn't need to get stronger, your argument does. Until then, nothing changes.
You didn't DM either. And if you did I'd say the same thing. Your evidence has been received, considered and disagreed with, come back when you have something more to offer. I'm not conceeding and changing the timeline for you, move on. My thinking is rational, it just disagrees with you and you've deemed it irrational. What's my complex? That I love controlling this timeline. I'd give it up in a heartbeat and never look back. You so quite litterally need new evidence. It is not sufficient as stated by many and your argument backed by none. Yes we didn't like the evidence because where it is everything works and where you want it something may work better but others dont. So it's been disregarded.
It is pretty sad. Feel free to disagree, but when people give reason why what you think is wrong, don't be a baby and bother this timeline with it for 25 hours and counting while not making a new point. Feel free to think what you like, bring up whatever points you like and if the majority disagrees move on and keep whatever you think in your own timeline (which I'm pretty sure most of us keep anyways).
I literally PM'd you bro. Why do you keep replying if you want the end the argument? I agree you disagree too, as I've said.
Lol no I don't. You are demanding new evidence because you don't' like the evidence provided already. That's on you bud.
Cool. Thanks for considering it. Again, I have nothing else to provide. The evidence I provided is sufficient enough to cast doubt on the book and spark a debate (as it has done).
You stopped me so hard! You must be proud of yourself for shutting me down.
I think the error is in the book, not the film. Why am I wrong?
But it DOESN'T agree with on-screen evidence. That's been my point this entire time and you just keep saying the same crap over and over. Why don't YOU provide new arguments? MY defense remains and doesn't need to get stronger!
But everything DOESN'T work. The weather is clear evidence of a time jump, along with Doc's confidence. This will continue to be my point, and the evidence will continue to exist regardless of what you or anyone on this thread thinks. You can't just erase on-screen evidence (which the masses see btw) to fit your views.
I've stated my goal many times. I want people to realize that the book, while very accurate, can make mistakes and be contradicted by other material. Films are God level canon. Anything outside of the films are lesser and can be wrong. If something in a movie contradicts a book written after the fact, then I'm going with the movie. If someone prefers ignoring film evidence in favor of tie-in material, that's cool to. But what you don't get to do is just ignore solid evidence because a book says it's incorrect. Both sources are official. Both should be strongly weighed against eachother.
And yet YOU keep going. I've given my reasons. YOU continue to be dismissive, arrogant and demeaning towards it because you refuse to admit a book could be wrong. I agree with the vast majority if the book. But since I disagree with ONE placement, you all lose your minds on here. I don't need to make a new point! I've made my point and will continue making it until you realize that it's a valid one!
I litterally responded bro. Why do you keep replying if you want to end the argument? I and everyone else who's spoken disagrees with you, as I've said
Yes that's how it works. You provide evidence, the people here and yes, me, decide if it's sufficient. It was deemed insufficient. I wholeheartedly take that on myself and until you provide something new nothing changes.
Fantastic, think whatever you'd like and if you have something new feel free to present it.
I'm not proud of anything that's happened here the past day. You've been everything I've hated about this thread for the past year rolled up into one pointless debate about a tree.
Because the film lines up with the book as presented by other members here. Until you can prove, with new evidence that wasn't already debated and lost, nothing changes. You were told why you were wrong already, you didn't listen, feel free to think what you want.
You said that, people here disagreed. I control the editing of the timeline, you're not the editor or the defender in this case, you're making the argument. As you can see the timeline remains unedited to your proposal, meaning unless your argument gets stronger nothing changes
That's your opinion. One that has been disagreed with already. Feel free to go back and read why if you've forgotten or disagree and think what you like. Until then nothing changes.
Noted. Many people have pointed out that they don't need to be weighed against each other but work together. People disagreed with you. You've been heard. What else do you want?
You tell me I'm the one that keeps going and then you scream you're going to "continue making it until you realize that it's a valid one". Not very self aware are you. You made the point, the evidence is valid, but it was debated and shown that it still lines up with other official sources. You can keep making your point but as long as you do you're the one that keeps going.
And yet here you are. You just can't keep in it DM's can you? Your thread, your rules. Here it is then.
OK so you're the arbiter of truth on here. Got it. Very much noted.
I will. I'm not afraid to disagree with this thread.
Then leave? Nobody is forcing you to do this.
No. It. Doesn't. I've presented clear evidence to the contrary and YOU are just ignoring it because a book told you otherwise. My evidence has not lost, you just won't concede it's valid and legit evidence that flies in the face of the book's placement. I don't have to listen to people just because they tell me I'm wrong lol not how that works.
I don't' care if you edit it or not. I'm letting readers know that it's not a 100% solved, zipped up, clean case. It's debatable and that's been my entire point.
You too have been sharing your opinion. In fact this entire debate has been your subjective opinion vs mine.
You to humble yourself and admit you could be wrong.
It. Does. NOT. The only "other official source" you have given is a timeline book. I have provided an official source - the film itself!
As editor of the timeline I will respond to all complaints and comments about editing the contents of the timeline. That's kinda my job.
Yeah I mean you ignored "the people here" part to but that's not surprising cause you've ignored them for over a day.
Okay
I would but this timeline has meant a lot to a lot of people and just leaving it in limbo would be disrespectful to the work that's come before. Just because I've grown tired of it doesn't mean that I should toss it aside.
People presented clear evidence to the contrary and you are just ignoring it. You may think what you want but until you present something new nothing changes here.
Okay they know.
No it's been the opinion of many vs yours. You just like to pretend I'm just power tripling cause it makes it easier for you
I could be wrong. I've said that before. Until new evidence arrives to support that, nothing changes. Happy?
Our source is the film and book working together to provide a placement. You disagree with that. Noted. Until you provide something new nothing changes.
But that's the problem. They don't always line up perfectly. There is at least one problem which I've pointed out. It's not this perfect little harmonious thing you seem to think it is.
No they don't line up perfectly but they do line up. This timeline in many places has taken multiple pieces of evidence, weighted them, seen how they can work together and then decided what's the best placement. That's been done here again. Until you provide something new, nothing changes.
Volunteer work bro.
Not ignoring, simply disagreeing.
Then don't. Choice is yours. I largely agree with this timeline.
Nope, the clear evidence doesn't refute anything. It's a contradiction at best. We need to weigh on-screen evidence against a book that came out later.
But you literally are. You are judge jury and executioner on here, as you've made very loud and clear. Yo da boss bro!
Yes, thank you.
true id still like to see that page in context, for all we know it could have been a misinterpretation by the wiki editors
Thank you! We finally get somewhere. And this is one case where they don't! See? I don't need to provide anything more than I have. You can keep ignoring it and pretending it doesn't exist all day long, but that changes nothing!
Yes I volunteered to do it
No I mean you ignored the fact that other people have disagreed and said that I'm the arbitor of truth. If others disagreed as well I'd listen more. You're one voice that many have disagreed with.
Cool story.
We did. Your evidence lost until you present something new, nothing changes.
Again many have disagreed with you, not just me like you keep pretending it is. That's how this timeline has always functioned even before me.
Great. Is there anything else you want
