DIrishB
The Timeline Guy
I just watched some stuff over at IGN and they outlined some of the details of the deal between Marvel & Sony
Marvel pays Sony $0 to use Spider-Man.
Sony gets $0 from Spider-Man's appearances in MCU movies.
Marvel gets $0 from Spider-Man's solo and spin-off movies.
Sony gets final say on casting for Spider-Man.
Kevin Feige is a contributing producer on the next Spider-Man movie but doesn't get the final say on anything and gets $0 compensation for his work on the film.
Marvel gets 100% of merchandizing profit from Spider-Man.
That seems like a pretty simple deal and really, a better deal for Sony than for Marvel. Marvel didn't need Spider-Man back, but they wanted him, Sony needed Marvel's help. So Marvel agreed to help Sony and include Spider-Man in their MCU basically for the merchandizing profits and the excitement of having Spidey back. I doubt the Avengers movies will make MORE money just because of Spider-Man (but maybe I'm wrong).
It's a deal that definitely works well for both studios. It can't be estimated at how much more money those films would bring in now that they're all one, cohesive universe, but Spidey's inclusion in the Avengers films will certainly bump their take up some... how much we don't know. And it'll most definitely bump the future Spidey films' box office up some as well, but again it's impossible to know by how much.
However, just the overall interest and anticipation alone shows its a decision that will almost definitely pay off financially, as well as creatively.
Hopefully Sony is smart and actually listen to Feige and utilize his input. He knows what he's doing, he's proven that. It only makes sense to follow his lead.
It does make me wonder what's holding up the deal with Fox. I know DoFP was more financially and critically successful than ASM2 was, and I'm sure that plays a big role. But what would be stopping Fox from making a similar deal with Marvel for X-Men and FF? Pride? Spite? They wouldn't lose money on the deal, would they? Make X-Men: Apocalypse as a final chapter in the story they've put together and then start working on a deal with Marvel. Do your Deadpool, Gambit, and Wolverine spin-offs, and then when there hasn't been a team X-Men movie for a while, do one as part of the MCU with the original 5 and Prof X and build from there. If FF is successful, fold it into the MCU, if it isn't wait a bit and reboot it again as part of the MCU. Why not? Hugh Jackman can't play Wolverine forever.
It basically is pride and spite, motivated by money. I mean, given this deal which costs Sony and Marvel Studios nothing and likely only stands to increase the interest in the films and their respective box office takes, it seems like a no-brainer for Fox to consider such a deal. But there's a lot of bad blood between Fox and Marvel, mainly due to Fox refusing to give up the rights to Silver Surfer and Galactus around 2012. That was when the rights to Daredevil ran out and Marvel pitched a deal to them that would let them keep Daredevil if Fox relinquished the rights to Silver Surfer and Galactus (indicating Marvel Studios had plans for those characters in some capacity for their future films, perhaps even as a part of Infinity War). Fox refused (keep in mind Fox still would've retained rights to the FF and X-Men film properties), and apparently feelings were hurt as a result... namely Ike Perlmutter's (Marvel's dominant shareholder), who is the driving force behind Marvel no longer publishing FF comics, and literally no more merchandise for X-Men and FF (which is shooting themselves in the foot since Marvel own the merchandise rights, but I guess it's a "cut off your nose to spite your face" thing).
It really is pretty interesting, in that salacious behind the scenes drama type of thing, much like the rights battle over Miracleman was throughout the 1990s and 2000s... a battle Marvel ultimately won.
You said Marvel gets no money off the Spider-Man film they're making. I don't believe that is the case.
Nope, Cap is correct. Sony will finance and distribute the new Spider-Man reboot film (and it'll be part of the MCU continuity), but Marvel doesn't share in the profits.
Marvel does still benefit nicely though since they get 100% of any related merchandise to that Spidey film.
Sony benefits by being able to essentially ride the MCU's coattail by integrating Spidey into the extremely popular MCU franchise.
It's actually a very revolutionary type of studio deal, and one which actually rests heavily on forward thinking (something Hollywood execs aren't really known for).
And the studios recognized that forgoing haggling and bickering and overcomplicated profit sharing deals wasn't necessary, as bringing Spidey into the MCU universe benefits both studios' bottom lines and most definitely pleases the fans.