Lost *spoilers*

One thing has been bugging me for a while. Micheal says he left looking for the others. He observed them and left to bring back help. He left with a rifle and pistol. The one question I can't believe hasn't been asked by the castaways is WHERE ARE THE F***ING GUNS?

Of course, the answer is they were taken when he was captured, but he can't tell his friends that.
 
MaxwellSmart said:
One thing has been bugging me for a while. Micheal says he left looking for the others. He observed them and left to bring back help. He left with a rifle and pistol. The one question I can't believe hasn't been asked by the castaways is WHERE ARE THE F***ING GUNS?

Of course, the answer is they were taken when he was captured, but he can't tell his friends that.
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Also, so much has happened since he left, they may have forgotten

And it's a plot hole
 
He was fumbling in the forest, deprived of energy... I think it's reasonable that he doesn't have the guns. It's not like Michael is getting away with murder, though... Sayid knows what's up.

Also, I don't like this turn Michael has made. It doesn't make much sense... He should be the character that doesn't want to help the Others no matter what.
 
What? Are you serious?

The point of his flashbacks has shown us that he'll do anything for his son, now that he found him again, he never wants to lose him ever. In the first season he made the raft so that he and his son can get off the island.

Makes perfect sense to me.
 
Great episode last night.

So, I was half right. Michael is working for the Others, but he's doing it to get his son back.

Can't wait for the finale next week.
 
moonmaster said:
Great episode last night.

So, I was half right. Michael is working for the Others, but he's doing it to get his son back.

Can't wait for the finale next week.
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:roll: who didn't think that:p I told you I wouldn't have to burn all my comics and crush my i-pod :D
 
Well, I think Michael should be pissed because the Others wronged him... They took his son without explanation and attempted to kill him. His desperation for his son's safety should not have convinced him otherwise. Getting Walt back should be his first priority, sure, but to become self-destructive in the process? I thought Michael was characterized as better than that. It's just my opinion... I like the fact that it sheds light on the Others but this whole turn seems a smidgen forced.

I know I'll be the only person who thinks that so we'll drop it, if you don't mind...

The season finale should be interesting... It's the Others vs. Lostaways vs. Michael it looks like. I'm interested in seeing who comes out on top. I'm playing out situations in my head and I could see the Others and the Lostaways combining their forces or something and the third season could be them trying to deal with each other. It could add a lot more depth to the show... You've gotta realize the Others may not understand the island any more than the Lostaways do... Together, they could solve what's been happening.
 
I think it's clear Micheal is suffering from PTSD, and is going to go into a full blown mental breakdown when he doesn't get Walt back.

As for Lostaways(I like that name) working with the Others, I'd say it's on the far side of probable. The more we learn about the Others the more it might make sense, but probably not. The only way I could see that happening is if the Others turn out to be the remenants of the Dharma Initiative. Then they could do something with the project leaders of Dharma showing up on the boat and wanting to exterminate the "fail" experiment.
 
Ultimate Houde said:
What? Are you serious?

The point of his flashbacks has shown us that he'll do anything for his son, now that he found him again, he never wants to lose him ever. In the first season he made the raft so that he and his son can get off the island.

Makes perfect sense to me.
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Agreed. Don't listen to Goodwill, he's emo.

;)

moonmaster said:
Great episode last night.

So, I was half right. Michael is working for the Others, but he's doing it to get his son back.

Can't wait for the finale next week.
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Yes, but I was all right (and outta sight). He wasn't brainwashed, etc. He was just doing whatever it took to get his son back.

ultimatedjf said:
Wow. Yet another superb episode.


A+


BTW, has anyone else seen the official cover art and menus to the Season 2 DVD that are online? They're very cool.
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Indeed. I like how they feature the numbers along the bottom of the DVD cover.

Goodwill said:
Well, I think Michael should be pissed because the Others wronged him... They took his son without explanation and attempted to kill him. His desperation for his son's safety should not have convinced him otherwise. Getting Walt back should be his first priority, sure, but to become self-destructive in the process? I thought Michael was characterized as better than that. It's just my opinion... I like the fact that it sheds light on the Others but this whole turn seems a smidgen forced.

I know I'll be the only person who thinks that so we'll drop it, if you don't mind...

The season finale should be interesting... It's the Others vs. Lostaways vs. Michael it looks like. I'm interested in seeing who comes out on top. I'm playing out situations in my head and I could see the Others and the Lostaways combining their forces or something and the third season could be them trying to deal with each other. It could add a lot more depth to the show... You've gotta realize the Others may not understand the island any more than the Lostaways do... Together, they could solve what's been happening.
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It seems the Others understand a great deal more about the island then the survivors. After all, why would they be testing Walt and running underground laboratories where they keep costumes in lockers and experiment or whatever on pregnant women? Your statement didn't really make much sense in light of what we learned last night and in Maternity Leave.
 
There are most likely things that are out of their control, for example the Cloud Monster, that I am referring to. Sure, they've been on the island longer than the Lostaways, but how much do they understand? I doubt if they are the people running the island... There has to be more to it than that.
 
I've read the spoiler summary for the finale... wow. It's incredible.

I don't want to spoil too much, you can find them yourself if you look, so I'll just give a brief summary.

Jack swims out to the boat, and finds Desmond in the bunker with a lot of alcohol. They return to the island. Jack, Kate, Michael, Sawyer and Hurley set off to find The Others, with Sayid and Jin taking the boat around the coastline for a suprise attack.

While this is all happening, Locke enters The Hatch and laughs at Eko for still pushing the button. Eko tells Locke that he is the man of faith. Desmond comes in, and gets angry. Locke tells him he pressed the button but Desmond doesn't believe him. The blastdoors come down again, sealing Locke and Desmond in with the computer, and sealing Eko out.

Desmond tells Locke that he thinks the incident happened because Locke didn't press the button. He fixed his boat and sailed off the island, trying to help the survivors. But when he got to land... there was no humanity left.

I'll leave the rest, since it's pretty exciting...
 
OK, here is what old reliable Leather has found:

www.thetailsection.com is a wealth of information!

The episode opens with Desmond arriving in the sailboat, completely drunk. In flashback he is being let out of jail and being picked up by his fiancee/wife's father Charles Widmore. Widmore thinks Desmond is useless and tries to talk him into leaving his daughter. Desmond refuses.


His backstory is all about Desmond's battle with alcohol. He is desperate to free himself from the bottle and be taken seriously. He sees his "race" as an opportunity for renewal but nobody believes in him. You find out his problems with alcohol are what prevented him from becoming a doctor. When he is "training" at the collesium he doesn't even have a clue how he is going to enter the race. There is talk of faith and redemption all through this part of his backstory.


I think that Widmore was somehow responsible for Libby being in the institution because she is very contemptuous towards him and is working behind his back to help Desmond because she knows it will piss Widmore off. Don't know if she is his wife like some people say, or daughter. Little bit fuzzy here.


In the island scenes Desmond and Locke find themselves kindred spirits. When Locke tells Desmond that there was someone watching him, and shows him the printouts and explains the orientation for the Pearl station, Desmond flips out. He can't believe he was set up. Locke explains the situation with Eko and Desmond decides to show him something he thinks can help Locke with his quest to stop the button from being pushed.


Meanwhile, Sayid convinces Jin to join him off shore to make sure things are kosher with the Walt rescue. Jin absolutely does not believe that Michael is "compromised" and comes along more to keep an eye on Sayid. "


Also - www.lostpedia.com
 
Goodwill said:
There are most likely things that are out of their control, for example the Cloud Monster, that I am referring to. Sure, they've been on the island longer than the Lostaways, but how much do they understand? I doubt if they are the people running the island... There has to be more to it than that.
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Oh, I don't doubt that. I was just trying to make my point clear that I have a hard time believing the 815 Survivors would accept an alliance with the Others at any time soon. Perhaps farther down the line, should need force them together against a higher power, of which I'm sure there is one. Or many...

ProjectX2 said:
I've read the spoiler summary for the finale... wow. It's incredible.

I don't want to spoil too much, you can find them yourself if you look, so I'll just give a brief summary.

Jack swims out to the boat, and finds Desmond in the bunker with a lot of alcohol. They return to the island. Jack, Kate, Michael, Sawyer and Hurley set off to find The Others, with Sayid and Jin taking the boat around the coastline for a suprise attack.

While this is all happening, Locke enters The Hatch and laughs at Eko for still pushing the button. Eko tells Locke that he is the man of faith. Desmond comes in, and gets angry. Locke tells him he pressed the button but Desmond doesn't believe him. The blastdoors come down again, sealing Locke and Desmond in with the computer, and sealing Eko out.

Desmond tells Locke that he thinks the incident happened because Locke didn't press the button. He fixed his boat and sailed off the island, trying to help the survivors. But when he got to land... there was no humanity left.

I'll leave the rest, since it's pretty exciting...
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Wow...this just leads me to believe Desmond is a volunteering part of the Hanso Foundation's little secret on a small island in the South Pacific. It's all part of some mind-game by this twisted company for some mysterious achievement or results in the end...what exactly happened to the other projects, we still don't know.

leather_w0lf said:
OK, here is what old reliable Leather has found:

www.thetailsection.com is a wealth of information!

The episode opens with Desmond arriving in the sailboat, completely drunk. In flashback he is being let out of jail and being picked up by his fiancee/wife's father Charles Widmore. Widmore thinks Desmond is useless and tries to talk him into leaving his daughter. Desmond refuses.


His backstory is all about Desmond's battle with alcohol. He is desperate to free himself from the bottle and be taken seriously. He sees his "race" as an opportunity for renewal but nobody believes in him. You find out his problems with alcohol are what prevented him from becoming a doctor. When he is "training" at the collesium he doesn't even have a clue how he is going to enter the race. There is talk of faith and redemption all through this part of his backstory.


I think that Widmore was somehow responsible for Libby being in the institution because she is very contemptuous towards him and is working behind his back to help Desmond because she knows it will piss Widmore off. Don't know if she is his wife like some people say, or daughter. Little bit fuzzy here.


In the island scenes Desmond and Locke find themselves kindred spirits. When Locke tells Desmond that there was someone watching him, and shows him the printouts and explains the orientation for the Pearl station, Desmond flips out. He can't believe he was set up. Locke explains the situation with Eko and Desmond decides to show him something he thinks can help Locke with his quest to stop the button from being pushed.


Meanwhile, Sayid convinces Jin to join him off shore to make sure things are kosher with the Walt rescue. Jin absolutely does not believe that Michael is "compromised" and comes along more to keep an eye on Sayid. "


Also - www.lostpedia.com
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Veeeeeeeery interesting...can't wait until Wednesday night.
 
Another interesting point - apparently, we see what aftermath of not pressing the button finally, via Michael and Walt's eyes as they leave the island on the Others' boat. :shock:
 
Here is another site I found yesterday:

http://www.hanttula.com/projects/lost/

We have to be careful with what we accept as a spoiler and what could be actually a foiler.

For example, that one a plot summary I got a couple weeks ago was about 70% accurate. I'm not buying the end of the world crap, for example. I do believe in X2 statement that we get to see what happens on the island when the button is not pushed through Michael & Walt's eyes - that is right up there in the way Lindoff writes. The most absurd notions (like Sawyer banging, well rather AnaL banging Sawyer!) were mocked on other LOST forums as being ridiculous then it happened.

The LOSTaways are in for it some drama and action Wednesday, that's for sure!

And most importantly: Sawyer finally gets to kill someone!

lol.
 
leather_w0lf said:
Here is another site I found yesterday:

http://www.hanttula.com/projects/lost/

We have to be careful with what we accept as a spoiler and what could be actually a foiler.

For example, that one a plot summary I got a couple weeks ago was about 70% accurate. I'm not buying the end of the world crap, for example. I do believe in X2 statement that we get to see what happens on the island when the button is not pushed through Michael & Walt's eyes - that is right up there in the way Lindoff writes. The most absurd notions (like Sawyer banging, well rather AnaL banging Sawyer!) were mocked on other LOST forums as being ridiculous then it happened.
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You might want to edit that to include her full name, otherwise people might get confused. ;)

The LOSTaways are in for it some drama and action Wednesday, that's for sure!

And most importantly: Sawyer finally gets to kill someone!

lol.
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Sweet!
 
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