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Ultimate Houde said:
On Topic, I'm an atheist, ask me why!
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I've never even remotely understood the logic behind this.

"I don't believe in clockmakers."

"Why not?"

"I've throughly examined this clock, and I can see that the hands move because of gears, the gears move because of springs, the springs move because of tension, and so on."

"But where did all that stuff come from?"

"..."

:?
 
Planet-man said:
I've never even remotely understood the logic behind this.

"I don't believe in clockmakers."

"Why not?"

"I've throughly examined this clock, and I can see that the hands move because of gears, the gears move because of springs, the springs move because of tension, and so on."

"But where did all that stuff come from?"

"..."

:?
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And it comes back to "Who created the clockmaker?" almost every time. . .
 
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That clockmaker thing is total crap. When you see a clock in the desert, you don't think it's made by someone because it's so complicated, you think it's made by someone because it's a ****ing clock. You know what a clock is, you've seen it before, they don't occur in nature.
 
Planet-man said:
I've never even remotely understood the logic behind this.

"I don't believe in clockmakers."

"Why not?"

"I've throughly examined this clock, and I can see that the hands move because of gears, the gears move because of springs, the springs move because of tension, and so on."

"But where did all that stuff come from?"

"..."

:?
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Actually, it would be more like this:

"I don't believe in clock-fairies."

"Why not?"

"I've thoroughly examined this clock, and I can see that the hands move because of gears, the gears move because of springs, the springs move because of tension, and so on. And the instruments and marks suggests that it was made by tools. So the logic solution would be that a person made this."

"You are crazy. I have read in a book that it was clock-fairies that made it so it must be true because I have proof in form of a book that was written by people I never met thousands of years ago."
 
Blaspheming people's religion is inappropriate. Watch it.
 
Hellsbuttmonkey said:
I had a Jehovah's Witness knock on my door and tell me this. I was talking to her and suddenly she comes out with:
"I have scientific evidence that God exists."
Intregued, I asked her what her proof was. She told me
"Scientists have proven that the events that came togther to create life were so improbable, that God had to have existed to start the reactions off."

Talk about blind faith.
I just said to her,
"No, that just means that the odds of such an event were highly unlikely to have happened. They can still happen though, like a coin landing edge side instead of heads or tails. Almost impossible, but I have seen it happen. Your reasoning doesn't even give any basis for God existing, just that an external catalyst must have been present. It didn't have to be your all powerful deity, it could have been another chemical."

She looked at me blankly, so I decided to wind her up and tell her I was a Satanist.

Some of the events in the Bible could have easily happened though, I do not dispute that. I don't believe in people (Sons of God or not) pulling a Jean Grey and coming back to life, but a lot of the events mentioned by others like the Flood etc are probably based in fact.
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I had a Jehovah's Witness knock on my door with her two kids once. Her son creeped me out to no end... He looked like spark of life was just drained right out of him. Like he never had a moment of fun in his life. He looked like one of those kids from the Children of the Damned. He was well dressed, well mannered, and talked with a creep british accent. He was like, As you can see here in the book of *blab bla bla* you'll note that it is positively lifting. *(shutter)*

Me I'm Presbyterian.
 
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Random said:
I dont think atheist is actually a religion, still we're talking about the clock making arguement itself
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Nope, I'm talking about the posts I had to remove.
 
Planet-man said:
I've never even remotely understood the logic behind this.

"I don't believe in clockmakers."

"Why not?"

"I've throughly examined this clock, and I can see that the hands move because of gears, the gears move because of springs, the springs move because of tension, and so on."

"But where did all that stuff come from?"

"..."

:?
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That is the most nonsensical argument I've ever heard. And I argue with mole 3 times a week, so that's impressive.
TwilightEL said:
That clockmaker thing is total crap. When you see a clock in the desert, you don't think it's made by someone because it's so complicated, you think it's made by someone because it's a ****ing clock. You know what a clock is, you've seen it before, they don't occur in nature.
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:lol:
Ultimate Warrior said:
Actually, it would be more like this:

"I don't believe in clock-fairies."

"Why not?"

"I've thoroughly examined this clock, and I can see that the hands move because of gears, the gears move because of springs, the springs move because of tension, and so on. And the instruments and marks suggests that it was made by tools. So the logic solution would be that a person made this."

"You are crazy. I have read in a book that it was clock-fairies that made it so it must be true because I have proof in form of a book that was written by people I never met thousands of years ago."
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Exactly.
 
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Lynx said:
And it comes back to "Who created the clockmaker?" almost every time. . .
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Right you are, but I think that question makes a lot more sense than the complete lack of response I've had so far from the science-based atheists(not just on this site).

Where did God come from? No clue, but mostly because I don't really understand what God is, if God can even be defined in our terms.

Either way, though, the existense of God has just been acknowledged, which is my whole point here.

TwilightEL said:
That clockmaker thing is total crap. When you see a clock in the desert, you don't think it's made by someone because it's so complicated, you think it's made by someone because it's a ****ing clock. You know what a clock is, you've seen it before, they don't occur in nature.
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I hope this is sarcasm.:roll:

Ultimate Warrior said:
Actually, it would be more like this:

"I don't believe in clock-fairies."

"Why not?"

"I've thoroughly examined this clock, and I can see that the hands move because of gears, the gears move because of springs, the springs move because of tension, and so on. And the instruments and marks suggests that it was made by tools. So the logic solution would be that a person made this."

"You are crazy. I have read in a book that it was clock-fairies that made it so it must be true because I have proof in form of a book that was written by people I never met thousands of years ago."
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And I agree with you about this too, which is why I don't belong to any organized religion, nor believe in God for any reason to do with a Bible.

My belief in God, and his role in the creation of the Universe(not to be confused with the creation of mankind in his own image, as I am a firm evolutionist), would place him in the role of the person who crafted the clock in this allegory, and I've still yet to hear anyone ever use science to explain why that person is unlikely to exist.
 
God Created us in his image = We can think, feel, love, and create in ways that nothing else we've encountered in our world ever has.

That's how i've always viewed it.

Somewhere along the evolutionary path our brain developed into something that could make art, something self-actualized... something with the intelectual curiousity to discover the limits of the world and discern its laws and history.

But maybe i am just crazy. We'll just have to see when the Dolphins decide to start opening museums.
 
I'm an atheist in the fact I don't believe in a religion out there right now. You telling me there's some big Guy looking down on us? I don't think so. That notion is absurb in my opinion, but it makes some people feel better, thinking there's n embiodiment of everything out there watching over us. The thought of that irks me, and rubs me the wrong way. But I also respect people's beliefs, so respect mine in that front. Don't go telling me I'm wrong because I believe the universe was, and you believe the universe was made from some guy.

I'm not an atheist because I am a scientist, I was an atheist well before that. It's simply my belief. Read 'Small Gods' by Pratchett, and you have me represented by the General. He put it into words what I can't seem to do right now.
 
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Random said:
I dont think atheist is actually a religion, still we're talking about the clock making arguement itself
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They so totally are. I've met "born again" atheists. Pisses me off so much. They go around saying that their beliefs are correct, anyone for disagreeing is stupid, and that they're right because they 'know' they are right. Well ****ing done, you've just done exactly what you berate religious people for doing.

Ugh.

I don't have a problem with people not believing in God - spirituality and thus religion should be personal - I just have a problem with people being arrogant hypocrites, and there's plenty of atheists and plenty of religious people who fit that ****ing bill.

All the religious, spiritual, wisdom goes out of the window when moral judgements are deigned onto what people think.

Or something.

I HAVE SOLVED ALL RELIGIOUS ARGUMENTS. BOW BEFORE ME.
 
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