Ice
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Is it me or did The Doctor reference what he did the 2005 Christmas special?
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Why was that the easy way to do things?
I enjoyed it.
But it raised more questions than it answered. I don't like questions.
I enjoyed it.
But it raised more questions than it answered. I don't like questions.
Bass
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RIVER SONG DIVED INTO THE TARDIS OFF THE FIFTIETH FLOOR OF A NEW YORK SKYSCRAPER.
I loved the episode, but before I go "Yay!" I want to point out a problem which is that the cliffhanger to THE IMPOSSIBLE ASTRONAUT still makes no sense, and it really hurts the two-parter. The meaning of that scene is convoluted and I don't get what happened afterwards. They shouldn't have cut away. Damn shame.
Other than that, I thought it was a riot; River and the Doctor's flirting, her last kiss, Nixon walking in and solving everything, Canton's "Welcome to America", and most of all, the absolutely brilliant way the Doctor defeated the Silence. I didn't see that coming and it was terrific. Absolutely terrific.
As for what's going on - who the hell knows. All I wonder is, will the little girl still be a little girl the next time we see her? EYES PEELED PEOPLE. Also, since she's out of the spacesuit, it's probably not her in the suit killing the Doctor. And, if she's a Timelord, then maybe the Doctor gave her his TARDIS...
I also wonder if the Doctor is encountering the Silence in the right order. Did they rig the Pandorica to blow in revenge for DAY OF THE MOON? Notice that the spacesuit is rigged to keep them alive forever, much like the Pandorica.
It was also a great little conceit to have the Doctor go, "Enough mystery and this whole uber-metaplot thing. Let's have some adventures before the summer." Very cute.
I DON'T KNOW.
I think she's some weird hybrid of Amy and the Doctor's cells (which they got from the Doctor's dead body - which is why the Doctor kills himself. I think the astronaut is Amy, and the Doctor dies so the little girl can be born).
The Silence have royally pissed him off. They blew up his TARDIS and got all his enemies together to lock him in a prison forever. And hell, he did give them a chance. I thought it was a superb solution.
And I loved it how just as the Doctor is giving them his big, "In your FACE!" speech he goes, "Ooops. Run." That was hysterical.
I DON'T KNOW. (I didn't see the special.)
I loved the episode, but before I go "Yay!" I want to point out a problem which is that the cliffhanger to THE IMPOSSIBLE ASTRONAUT still makes no sense, and it really hurts the two-parter. The meaning of that scene is convoluted and I don't get what happened afterwards. They shouldn't have cut away. Damn shame.
Other than that, I thought it was a riot; River and the Doctor's flirting, her last kiss, Nixon walking in and solving everything, Canton's "Welcome to America", and most of all, the absolutely brilliant way the Doctor defeated the Silence. I didn't see that coming and it was terrific. Absolutely terrific.
As for what's going on - who the hell knows. All I wonder is, will the little girl still be a little girl the next time we see her? EYES PEELED PEOPLE. Also, since she's out of the spacesuit, it's probably not her in the suit killing the Doctor. And, if she's a Timelord, then maybe the Doctor gave her his TARDIS...
I also wonder if the Doctor is encountering the Silence in the right order. Did they rig the Pandorica to blow in revenge for DAY OF THE MOON? Notice that the spacesuit is rigged to keep them alive forever, much like the Pandorica.
It was also a great little conceit to have the Doctor go, "Enough mystery and this whole uber-metaplot thing. Let's have some adventures before the summer." Very cute.
I DON'T KNOW.
I think she's some weird hybrid of Amy and the Doctor's cells (which they got from the Doctor's dead body - which is why the Doctor kills himself. I think the astronaut is Amy, and the Doctor dies so the little girl can be born).
The Silence have royally pissed him off. They blew up his TARDIS and got all his enemies together to lock him in a prison forever. And hell, he did give them a chance. I thought it was a superb solution.
And I loved it how just as the Doctor is giving them his big, "In your FACE!" speech he goes, "Ooops. Run." That was hysterical.
I DON'T KNOW. (I didn't see the special.)
Ice
Teh Sexy Monkey Queen
As I said on Twitter, I need (Not want) to marry River Song. I am in love. :heart:
Bass
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Me too.
Ice
Teh Sexy Monkey Queen
Bass
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Tee hee!
Saw the ep today: it was pretty average. It did the same mistake as VAMPIRES IN VENICE, which is to have a hat-on-a-hat, and it's a danger for many DOCTOR WHO episodes. What I mean by "hat-on-a-hat": It's something I heard in a SOUTH PARK commentary where Parker and Stone talk about the mistake in comedy to put a hat on a hat. The idea is that the 'hat' is some crazy, comic thing that's zany, and that's fine, but when you do something super-crazy and surreal on top of something that's already super-crazy and surreal, it becomes really contrived and they cancel each other out. In VAMPIRES IN VENICE, you have Vampires! in Venice! That's a pretty kooky hat. Then they turn out to be fish aliens from beyond the moon and the last of their kind and well... that's too many hats. Same goes here - Pirates! Versus the deadly Siren! Aaaaand then alien sickbays, virtual doctor programmes, and then SPACE pirates and it's just too much. It also goes to the well of "the monster isn't really a monster after all" which is certainly doable, but very dangerous territory because you actually remove all the danger from the story and it kinda guts the story. In VINCENT AND THE DOCTOR, we have that problem and what saves it is Vincent's suicide. THE CURSE OF THE BLACK SPOT unfortunately has no saving grace. It kinda just self-destructs. So it's very average. And for the first time ever, I found Matt Smith to be a little too kooky.
That said, there's some fun to it; I particularly loved "comfy sofa".
Looking forward to Gaiman's episode next week, where clearly we will see Ice's sig quote. And it's very Gaiman-y - message from the dead, dead people in a room talking, the hidden maw of doom lurking in the background... which is fine because Gaiman does that stuff well. So I'm excited. If only to see a less kooky Doctor because "Fear me. I killed all of 'em" is really, really well delivered in the trailer.
Saw the ep today: it was pretty average. It did the same mistake as VAMPIRES IN VENICE, which is to have a hat-on-a-hat, and it's a danger for many DOCTOR WHO episodes. What I mean by "hat-on-a-hat": It's something I heard in a SOUTH PARK commentary where Parker and Stone talk about the mistake in comedy to put a hat on a hat. The idea is that the 'hat' is some crazy, comic thing that's zany, and that's fine, but when you do something super-crazy and surreal on top of something that's already super-crazy and surreal, it becomes really contrived and they cancel each other out. In VAMPIRES IN VENICE, you have Vampires! in Venice! That's a pretty kooky hat. Then they turn out to be fish aliens from beyond the moon and the last of their kind and well... that's too many hats. Same goes here - Pirates! Versus the deadly Siren! Aaaaand then alien sickbays, virtual doctor programmes, and then SPACE pirates and it's just too much. It also goes to the well of "the monster isn't really a monster after all" which is certainly doable, but very dangerous territory because you actually remove all the danger from the story and it kinda guts the story. In VINCENT AND THE DOCTOR, we have that problem and what saves it is Vincent's suicide. THE CURSE OF THE BLACK SPOT unfortunately has no saving grace. It kinda just self-destructs. So it's very average. And for the first time ever, I found Matt Smith to be a little too kooky.
That said, there's some fun to it; I particularly loved "comfy sofa".
Looking forward to Gaiman's episode next week, where clearly we will see Ice's sig quote. And it's very Gaiman-y - message from the dead, dead people in a room talking, the hidden maw of doom lurking in the background... which is fine because Gaiman does that stuff well. So I'm excited. If only to see a less kooky Doctor because "Fear me. I killed all of 'em" is really, really well delivered in the trailer.
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I enjoyed it.
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Bass: I get what you're saying about the hat-on-a-hat and this could definitely be seen as a kind of sister episode to Vampires of Venice but the whole thing of the Doctor encountering a seemingly paranormal enemy and revealing them to just be an alien threat seems like a standard, classic Doctor Who premise and it didn't really bother me.
The Doctor was definitely kookier. Maybe the most wacky-one-liner-packed episode yet.
Yeah, it was fun though. Wasn't great but it was enjoyable. I think they've set a high standard for themselves, but it's important to remember how much better the 'weak' episodes of Moffat's run so far are in comparison to Davies' worsts.
And besides, next week's episode looks like the greatest thing ever.
The Doctor was definitely kookier. Maybe the most wacky-one-liner-packed episode yet.
Yeah, it was fun though. Wasn't great but it was enjoyable. I think they've set a high standard for themselves, but it's important to remember how much better the 'weak' episodes of Moffat's run so far are in comparison to Davies' worsts.
And besides, next week's episode looks like the greatest thing ever.
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I think it might have been the worst episode of the Moffat era so far.
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Victory of the Daleks is offended that you would try to steal that honor from it.
EDIT: I am seeing people refer to the little girl from Day of the Moon as THE TIME TOT. I love this.
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Victory of the Daleks had space planes.
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Curse of the Black Spot had space PIRATES.
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True, but just because it's standard doesn't mean that it works. Sometimes, reveal of how the paranormal turns out to be alien is rather cool and interesting, but in THE CURSE OF THE BLACK SPOT, the reveal is rather boring and, to make it worse, it removes all jeopardy from the story, which is why the climactic CPR seems really forced. If Rory's fine on the ship, and the Doctor is a timelord with much better tech (and he's called the Doctor), why can't they just fix him? If he's drowning and has water in his lungs, why can't they fix him while he's on the table and how can he breathe and blah-blah-blah. That can all be handwaved, but it comes down to the reveal gutting the story. Consider THE EMPTY CHILD; it's a similar story. Terrifying alien menace turns out to be alien medical tech. The difference? The alien medical tech wasn't working right and it was completely messing up humans - it was actually still something that had to be stopped. The siren? Once they realise the siren is a doctor, it turns out everyone's safe and happy and it's all fine really.
I think it was. I can't think of anything in the previous season that was as lackluster. But, as Mooney pointed out; it's an 'average' episode, not a 'bad' one like those we've seen in previous seasons under Davies.
And "WOULD YOU LIKE SOME TEA?!"
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Oh yeah, by worst I mean it's the weakest episode. Every other episode has at least been interesting or exciting but I was bored by this episode.
Ultimate Houde
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So now the Doctor know of a ship that can keep beings alive indefinitely and he's been marked by it and it stores a tissue sample of him.
I'll take things that make you go hmm for 200 Alex.
I'll take things that make you go hmm for 200 Alex.
Ice
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I wasn't bored with it, but it's definitely the weakest episode, I agree. Pirates weren't bad and all (Pirate Amy was very nice :heybaby
, but there's been much more interesting and fun characters.
Definitely looking forward to the Ood!!
, but there's been much more interesting and fun characters.Definitely looking forward to the Ood!!
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Bass
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Oh yeah, I meant to mention that. They have to burn his body because one cell can destroy empires and some such, but there's this ship that has a sample.
I honestly expect the medical ship to be relevant later.
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I hadn't actually thought of that about the ship, but I did assume that that wouldn't be the last we'd see of it. You can't just have a bunch of 17th century pirates flying off into space and leave it at that! I can imagine them returning in some capacity again. (Remember how Vincent and various others reappeared and played a role in last season's finale)
I think my favorite moment of last night's episode was the Doctor running to his TARDIS and hugging it in the same way Amy and Avery had rushed to their loved ones. Interesting to note that the TARDIS ended up there. The TARDIS is definitely "sick" in some way. So much of Moffat's run so far seems to have involved it and the Doctor's relationship with it and next week seems to be even more of that.
It's probably not worth speculating about, but I've started wondering exactly what the Doctor did back in The Eleventh Hour when he left little Amy and ran off to repair the TARDIS...
I think my favorite moment of last night's episode was the Doctor running to his TARDIS and hugging it in the same way Amy and Avery had rushed to their loved ones. Interesting to note that the TARDIS ended up there. The TARDIS is definitely "sick" in some way. So much of Moffat's run so far seems to have involved it and the Doctor's relationship with it and next week seems to be even more of that.
It's probably not worth speculating about, but I've started wondering exactly what the Doctor did back in The Eleventh Hour when he left little Amy and ran off to repair the TARDIS...
Dr.Strangefate
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Good call about the Sick Tardis...
I would rank this over Victory of the Daleks any day of the week, but this was definitely a filler episode. The only intriguing bit was the nurse looking in on Amy from wherever she is. Definitely bet that the ship comes back into play as a means to bring back the Doctor.
I would rank this over Victory of the Daleks any day of the week, but this was definitely a filler episode. The only intriguing bit was the nurse looking in on Amy from wherever she is. Definitely bet that the ship comes back into play as a means to bring back the Doctor.
