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I think it's actually implied the Tomorrowverse isn't actually the new DCAMU timeline but instead a new multiverse created by killing Darkseid, plus John Constantine is said to be older than the multiverse, so to me, that implies that I shouldn't be putting them alongside each other but rather the DCAMU is the "main" Earth, so no "[New 52 Timeline]", and the Tomorrowverse as [Tomorrowverse Multiverse: Earth-1] or something like that, with everything part of the Tomorrowverse Multiverse being set entirely after the DC Animated Movie Universe. Maybe instead of Tomorrowverse Multiverse, I call it something related to Darkseid.

From my understanding, Super Friends, the DCAU and Teen Titans realities would be variants. Darkseid obviously exists in those worlds, plus I believe it was confirmed by someone involved - I saw it in a Watchtower Database video.

Maybe the DCEU's Peacemaker found his way to the Tomorrowverse Multiverse after his omniversal Mortal Kombat adventures and merged with the new timeline, creating a new animated universe with elements of his past in it... the DCU perhaps? I'm reaching, I don't think that's the DCU at the end of Crisis on Infinite Earths, plus I doubt they'd want it to be isolated from the multiverse at large, but I'm just pondering.
 
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I think it's actually implied the Tomorrowverse isn't actually the new DCAMU timeline but instead a new multiverse created by killing Darkseid, plus John Constantine is said to be older than the multiverse, so to me, that implies that I shouldn't be putting them alongside each other but rather the DCAMU is the "main" Earth, so no "[New 52 Timeline]", and the Tomorrowverse as [Tomorrowverse Multiverse: Earth-1] or something like that, with everything part of the Tomorrowverse Multiverse being set entirely after the DC Animated Movie Universe. Maybe instead of Tomorrowverse Multiverse, I call it something related to Darkseid.

From my understanding, Super Friends, the DCAU and Teen Titans realities would be variants. Darkseid obviously exists in those worlds, plus I believe it was confirmed by someone involved - I saw it in a Watchtower Database video.

Maybe the DCEU's Peacemaker found his way to the Tomorrowverse Multiverse after his omniversal Mortal Kombat adventures and merged with the new timeline, creating a new animated universe with elements of his past in it... the DCU perhaps? I'm reaching, I don't think that's the Tomorrowverse at the end of Crisis on Infinite Earths, plus I doubt they'd want it to be isolated from the multiverse at large, but I'm just pondering.
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I think that makes it far more complicated, especially if we are taking Watcher Database's hypothesis as true.
I dunno.
 
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I don't think the DCAMU is connected to the DCU, wouldn't make sense. Perhaps the DCEU Peacemaker thing is true on a separate note.
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Essentially an Archipelago of Multiverses? In a Omniverse I guess since the Overvoid beyond the 6th Dimension is infinite…

There is like 9873+ Earths in DC's "multi-multiverse" so maybe some of those are Mortal Kombat realities.
 
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Many new Discord members have asked me since Justice League: Crisis on Infinite Earths – Part Three’s debut about its most controversial scene—a montage where all of DC's previous animated worlds seem to be wiped from existence.
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As most comic fans know, the original Crisis on Infinite Earths came into existence to streamline a DC continuity that had become a bit too cumbersome to be inviting to new readers. So, the "worlds will live, worlds will die" element was kind of baked into the concept from the get go. We thought it was a great opportunity to quickly revisit some of the animated versions of those worlds. It was certainly meant lovingly, as a kind of victory lap. To be clear, no universes were harmed in the making of these motion pictures. Like every supposedly dead superhero, any or all of them are available for a miraculous return.

Or, if you prefer an in-universe answer, the Tomorrowverse is a reality unto itself, with multiple versions of universes that resemble those of the Super Friends, B:TAS, JLU, and the rest. It is those doppelganger realities that were destroyed, not the ones you love.

Maybe.
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That was the quote. The way I see it, the DC Animated Movie Universe is part of the Animated Multiverse, and when they killed Darkseid, they created a separate multiverse known as the Tomorrowverse. Then that leads to a new Prime Earth/Monoverse and I guess we can say that, since the Tomorrowverse Multiverse was destroyed, that new reality is in the primary multiverse... possibly.

So, Earth-12 and Earth-2003 are variants in my opinion. Or they're the same and there's some BS with the new single universe that restored some destroyed realities in the main multiverse, I don't know.
 
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I think that makes it far more complicated, especially if we are taking Watcher Database's hypothesis as true.
I dunno.
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It wasn't a hypothesis by them, I think it was the article I linked in my previous comment. Nothing to do with the DCU either, just the fact that Earth-12, Earth-508 and Earth-2003 are Tomorrowverse variants of the animated series that they're referencing, not the real deal.

selfishmisery said:
Essentially an Archipelago of Multiverses? In a Omniverse I guess since the Overvoid beyond the 6th Dimension is infinite…

There is like 9873+ Earths in DC's "multi-multiverse" so maybe some of those are Mortal Kombat realities.
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Well, Peacemaker got taken to the Tomorrowverse, but maybe Eagly got lost in the confusion and ended up in Marvel Multiverse: Earth-199999, where he was captured by the High Evolutionary. The DCEU, Mortal Kombat, the DCAMU, the MCU, the DCU, it's all connected, totally. :p
(yeah, that'd never officially be the explanation for anything, lol. Too many cooks in the kitchen for any intented cohesion.)
 
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That was the quote. The way I see it, the DC Animated Movie Universe is part of the Animated Multiverse, and when they killed Darkseid, they created a separate multiverse known as the Tomorrowverse. Then that leads to a new Prime Earth/Monoverse and I guess we can say that, since the Tomorrowverse Multiverse was destroyed, that new reality is in the primary multiverse... possibly.

So, Earth-12 and Earth-2003 are variants in my opinion. Or they're the same and there's some BS with the new single universe that restored some destroyed realities in the main multiverse, I don't know.
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That creates a kerfuffle in regards to Razer & Aya plus Aya's appearance in JL Action…
 
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All the Green Lantern/Young Justice/Justice League Action/CoIE connections are confusing regardless honestly.
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I dunno. Maybe...
If it's a multiverse without Darkseid, that discounts JL Action from Tomorrowverse's...but Green Lantern: TAS isn't exempt from that since there were no New God stuff in that continuity.

So if Young Justice is for sure main animated Earth-16, then JL Action is other unidentified Earth that Aya somehow ended up on. It feels like we created a separation and lost an essential link there...
 
To me, GLTAS and YJ can be canon to each other with no issues. As most know, I'm pretty liberal when it comes to canonicity, so you're mileage may vary. These are the notes I took regarding episode 4.19 of YJ:

Dialogue indicates that Razer leaving Hal Jordan and Kilowog (as seen at the end of the "Green Lantern: The Animated Series" episode 1.26: "Dark Matter") occurred four years before the events of this episode. Metron saying it took Razer less than four years to lose hope may indicate that the time was being rounded up instead of down. This suggests the events of the "Green Lantern: The Animated Series" episode 1.26: "Dark Matter" ended in late Team Year Six (2017) or early Team Year Seven (2018). This doesn't line up, as the entirety of "Green Lantern: The Animated Series" has to occur before "Young Justice" due to the appearances of Guy Gardner and John Stewart, who are both introduced in that series for the first time (John Stewart is never seen.) Kilowog tells Razer "Four years. Four years! You don't call, you don't send subspace mail. And suddenly you're here wearing blue pajamas." Razer then states "Four years ago, I captured this Blue Ring's potent energy signal and tracked it to you." followed by "Shortly after we parted (at the end of "Dark Matter"), a blue lantern ring powered by hope found me in deepest space." This would place "Dark Matter" in 2017 which isn't possible due to the aforementioned Green Lantern's showing up in Season One. However, in "Dark Matter", Aya transports Hal Jordan back to the beginning of time and then returns in the "present day", which could theoretically be a different year (2017 in order to line up with this episode being in 2021).
 
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To me, GLTAS and YJ can be canon to each other with no issues. As most know, I'm pretty liberal when it comes to canonicity, so you're mileage may vary. These are the notes I took regarding episode 4.19 of YJ:

Dialogue indicates that Razer leaving Hal Jordan and Kilowog (as seen at the end of the "Green Lantern: The Animated Series" episode 1.26: "Dark Matter") occurred four years before the events of this episode. Metron saying it took Razer less than four years to lose hope may indicate that the time was being rounded up instead of down. This suggests the events of the "Green Lantern: The Animated Series" episode 1.26: "Dark Matter" ended in late Team Year Six (2017) or early Team Year Seven (2018). This doesn't line up, as the entirety of "Green Lantern: The Animated Series" has to occur before "Young Justice" due to the appearances of Guy Gardner and John Stewart, who are both introduced in that series for the first time (John Stewart is never seen.) Kilowog tells Razer "Four years. Four years! You don't call, you don't send subspace mail. And suddenly you're here wearing blue pajamas." Razer then states "Four years ago, I captured this Blue Ring's potent energy signal and tracked it to you." followed by "Shortly after we parted (at the end of "Dark Matter"), a blue lantern ring powered by hope found me in deepest space." This would place "Dark Matter" in 2017 which isn't possible due to the aforementioned Green Lantern's showing up in Season One. However, in "Dark Matter", Aya transports Hal Jordan back to the beginning of time and then returns in the "present day", which could theoretically be a different year (2017 in order to line up with this episode being in 2021).
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There's still the issue of Guy Gardner plus the mention of John Stewart.
 
In the extras section for Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Three, they do make it sound like Earth-12, Earth-508 and Earth-2003 are the same from their shows, but they also make it sound like they could come back and will be fine, as is usual for comic book media.

New explanation:
1. The multiverse always existed paradoxically despite technically originating from Barry killing Darkseid. By killing Darkseid, he created a branched universe, which then created infinite realities. This is how Earth-2003 can interact with the DCAMU despite the DCAMU having not created it yet. It's just like how in Loki, the multiverse simultaneously was connected and separate from the MCU.

I guess this makes the DCAMU and Tomorrowverse something of a Earth-1A (Darkseid lives) and Earth-1B (Darkseid dies), since we were told it created a branch universe rather than a rewritten timeline.

2. Sometime after Justice League: Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part Three, I suppose the multiverse was restored by an animated convergence or Dark Crisis event. Unfortunately we don't get to see this, all we know is that they said that the DCAU, Teen Titans, etc. are fine.
 
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Something that has been bothering me... Nolan North apparently plays John Constantine in Crisis on Infinite Earths: Part One. He sounds exactly like Matt Ryan though so I'm very confused. We heard him play Constantine in Beware My Power and he sounds very different.


This makes it seem like he believes he plays John in Part 2-3. We know he doesn't, Matt Ryan does. Is it possible that he was replaced with Matt at some point and they just kept the credits the same? Even Nolan North's British accent is completely different in this video. I believe that Matt Ryan does voice John in the finished film and you can't convince me otherwise.


Another organizational nightmare is that Mark Hamill didn't voice Joker in the physical media release of the film. I really, really hate that. In the streaming versions this is corrected, but I'm so annoyed that the version that you can own has the wrong guy.
 
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