Coming in October: "Ultimate Power".

After lurking around here for a while, this development finally tipped the scales for me and made me register. I just had to comment on this.

I've been a rabid fan of the Ultimate universe since I was first exposed to it several years back. Like many here, I collect it in TPB format, and have every volume that's been printed. So what I'm about to say comes from the heart:

It's official. Marvel's out of ideas.

By crossing the Ultimate universe with the Supreme universe, Marvel has firmly placed the Ultimate universe within the 616 continuum. You can argue semantics and say Supreme Power is an ultimatized Squadron Supreme. For all I know, never having read an issue of either, that's true. But the simple fact remains that the Exiles have hiccupped through the Supreme universe. This places the Supreme universe -- in my mind at least -- firmly in the 616 continuum.

(For those keeping score: I also consider the Invincible universe to exist within the 616 continuum following the recent Marvel Team-Up appearance. So it's probably just a matter of time now until Invincible joins the Exiles and appears alongside the Ultimates.)

I agree with those in this thread who argue there's no legitimate or compelling reason for this crossover. The Ultimate universe is doing just fine by itself, thank you very much. Actually, monthly sales figures show the comics are doing better than just fine.

So why mess with the good thing? Because this is the same House of Ideas that gave us the illustrious Clone Saga. This is the same Master of Retcon that had Gwen Stacy do the horizontal polka with the Green Goblin. This is the same Follower of Philosophy that maintains "dead is dead" -- until a certain Mr. Whedon wants a resurrection.

After years of Marvel telling us again and again that the Ultimate universe is its own entity, I feel betrayed. I really do. These aren't the words of some whiny fanboy. These are the words of a paying customer who's calling the foul.

It's official. Marvel's out of ideas. And if they think I'm going to just shrug, accept this and keep buying comics, they've got another thing coming.
 
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Josh said:
After lurking around here for a while, this development finally tipped the scales for me and made me register. I just had to comment on this.

I've been a rabid fan of the Ultimate universe since I was first exposed to it several years back. Like many here, I collect it in TPB format, and have every volume that's been printed. So what I'm about to say comes from the heart:

It's official. Marvel's out of ideas.

By crossing the Ultimate universe with the Supreme universe, Marvel has firmly placed the Ultimate universe within the 616 continuum. You can argue semantics and say Supreme Power is an ultimatized Squadron Supreme. For all I know, never having read an issue of either, that's true. But the simple fact remains that the Exiles have hiccupped through the Supreme universe. This places the Supreme universe -- in my mind at least -- firmly in the 616 continuum.

(For those keeping score: I also consider the Invincible universe to exist within the 616 continuum following the recent Marvel Team-Up appearance. So it's probably just a matter of time now until Invincible joins the Exiles and appears alongside the Ultimates.)

I agree with those in this thread who argue there's no legitimate or compelling reason for this crossover. The Ultimate universe is doing just fine by itself, thank you very much. Actually, monthly sales figures show the comics are doing better than just fine.

So why mess with the good thing? Because this is the same House of Ideas that gave us the illustrious Clone Saga. This is the same Master of Retcon that had Gwen Stacy do the horizontal polka with the Green Goblin. This is the same Follower of Philosophy that maintains "dead is dead" -- until a certain Mr. Whedon wants a resurrection.

After years of Marvel telling us again and again that the Ultimate universe is its own entity, I feel betrayed. I really do. These aren't the words of some whiny fanboy. These are the words of a paying customer who's calling the foul.

It's official. Marvel's out of ideas. And if they think I'm going to just shrug, accept this and keep buying comics, they've got another thing coming.
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Welcome! Oh, wait. You're through with Marvel.




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Josh said:
The Ultimate universe is doing just fine by itself, thank you very much. Actually, monthly sales figures show the comics are doing better than just fine.
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Actually, that's very subjective; sales for the Ultimate books are generally pretty down over, say, a year ago.
 
NRAMA: Both universes have rather shadowy governments with secret agendas as part of their backdrops. Will this factor into the story whatsoever?

JMS: Most definitely, especially in the Ultimates books, which I'll leave Brian to explain.

BB: Well, it very much ties into the startling events from Mark's Ultimates story and what's been cooking in Ultimate FF from our very first issues.

NRAMA: Can you give any details in regards to the mechanism of the crossover? How these two universes wind up colliding?

JMS: Reed Richards is up to something, which goes rather startlingly amiss. One of the byproducts is a breakdown of the barrier between the two universes, with disastrous consequences for all sides.

BB: Well said.

NRAMA: So obviously without giving away the farm, can you describe in any detail what the conflict driving the story will be - or perhaps in other, broader words, what's going to be interesting about crossing over these two universes and their characters?

JMS: I think it's going to be the level and magnitude of the conflict, especially once it lands in the Supreme Universe, where the carnage is going to be quite extensive. It's also a strong character story for Reed, who has to face the consequences of that situation. As with any good Marvel story, the action and the conflict are driven by character, and this one definitely is among them. It's also going to allow us to show characters we haven't seen before in the same book whomping the bejeezus out of each other.

It's going to be fun.
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Does this help clear up things?

Oh, but there's more:

BB: And not everyone ends up in the universe they started in.

NRAMA: What?

BB: What what?

NRAMA: Not everyone ends up in the universe they started in?

BB: Who said that?

NRAMA: You did.

BB: I did? What does that mean?

Honestly, we said if we're going to do this lets go all the way with it. Let's write each sequence to that writer's strengths and let's put on one hell of a crossover. Let's make something for people, like myself, who can't stand a crossover that has no lasting effect on the characters. Let's make this one of the, if not the most important chapter in these characters' story.

And I truly think we've accomplished that...by leaving Millar out of it [laughs]
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A: I thought we were still on page 1. B: I was at work. I don't sit at my computer all day, like some people do...(Ice)
 
the watcher said:
A: I thought we were still on page 1. B: I was at work. I don't sit at my computer all day, like some people do...(Ice)
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A: I was joking. B: I wasn't my computer. I came back to my room from watching a movie in my living room (White Noise).

And for good measures- C: You best calm yourself down.
 
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Ice said:
A: I was joking. B: I wasn't my computer. I came back to my room from watching a movie in my living room (White Noise).

And for good measures- C: You best calm yourself down.
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Calm down??? I was joking too, no one gets me. Trust me, it's really hard to get me upset. So far, no here as never even come close to upsetting me. I just joke like that, it's my thing.
 
Well, without the smiley's it's not easy to tell if you're joking. 'Specially when you post the way you did.


And on that note, we cue the music.

*Sings mega-hit: Back on Topic*
 
Josh said:
By crossing the Ultimate universe with the Supreme universe, Marvel has firmly placed the Ultimate universe within the 616 continuum. You can argue semantics and say Supreme Power is an ultimatized Squadron Supreme. For all I know, never having read an issue of either, that's true. But the simple fact remains that the Exiles have hiccupped through the Supreme universe. This places the Supreme universe -- in my mind at least -- firmly in the 616 continuum.
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That's a good point, I didn't think of that. 616 and UU are now officially in the same multiverse. Not good.
 
vintsukka said:
That's a good point, I didn't think of that. 616 and UU are now officially in the same multiverse. Not good.
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When were the Exiles in the Supremeverse?

Are you sure it wasn't Squadron Supreme, not Supreme Power?
 
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Josh said:
By crossing the Ultimate universe with the Supreme universe, Marvel has firmly placed the Ultimate universe within the 616 continuum. You can argue semantics and say Supreme Power is an ultimatized Squadron Supreme. For all I know, never having read an issue of either, that's true. But the simple fact remains that the Exiles have hiccupped through the Supreme universe. This places the Supreme universe -- in my mind at least -- firmly in the 616 continuum.
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Exiles has never crossed over with the Supreme Power Universe, which is the Ultimate Version of the original Supremeverse.

This is the Hyperion who's shown up in Exiles:
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This is the Hyperion we'll see in the Ultimate Marvel Universe:
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And anyways, the Hyperion in exiles was an alternate version of the original Hyperion who came from a world where the Squadron Supreme existed with Marvel Heroes.

The original Supremeverse has not been visited for a long long time, and simply judging by the fact that JMS, the writer of Supreme Power, is going to be handling this mini... not to mention the series logo (an amalgamation of the Ultimate logo and the Supreme Power logo) I think its safe to assume that
we're going to be seeing the latter version of Hyperion; the one with depth comparable to the characters in the Ultimate Universe.

Please, try to have SOME idea of what you're talking about before you try to talk down an entire company. Something tells me the people in charge have, surprisingly enough, made their decisions based on the fact that the two series (ultimates and Supreme Power, in particular) have equatable levels of maturity... Because 616 and the old Supremeverse had combined sucessfully on a number of occasions, I would wager that this has been on the table for some time now. I also put faith in the fact that the decision was made by someone who read both series in the first place!

*Sigh*

People.
 
Dr.Strangefate said:
Exiles has never crossed over with the Supreme Power Universe, which is the Ultimate Version of the original Supremeverse.
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Right. The Supreme Power Universe hasn't crossed over with ANY other universe yet. The Ultimate Universe will be the first.
Dr.Strangefate said:
And anyways, the Hyperion in exiles was an alternate version of the original Hyperion who came from a world where the Squadron Supreme existed with Marvel Heroes.

The original Supremeverse has not been visited for a long long time...
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Are you talking about the evil Hyperion? Because I thought that the CURRENT arc of Exiles was in the original Squadron Supreme Universe. :?
 
So does this mean that ultimate universe is in the same multiverse as Image.


I mean by your logic it is. The Ultimate Universe and Supremeverse are in the same.

616 Exiles have visited the supremeverse.

616 has had crossovers with DC

DC had Batman met Spawn.

So therefore who gives a crap if they are. It doesn't matter. There are no multiverses. It a comic. There are no rules and what can happen and not. I mean Earth-2 Superman could show up in Ultimate Spider-Man if marvel and DC got together.


And doc is right but I'm justing making a point.
 
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Not to throw rile anyone up but the ultimate universe is already known by the Exiles. The Ultimate X-men appeared in one of the issues where Evil Hyperion has just been revealed.
 
Ultxon said:
Not to throw rile anyone up but the ultimate universe is already known by the Exiles. The Ultimate X-men appeared in one of the issues where Evil Hyperion has just been revealed.
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If there's no mention of them, or the Ultimate Universe, it's worth nothing, because it can be ANY universe. Appearance doesn't mean it's them for sure, no matter how much they LOOK like it.
 
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I hope Hyperion or one of the other Supreme Power characters don't get left behind in the UU.
 
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