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the lack of a middle stripe still annoys me
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Iceshadow
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"I don't need to be careful, I've got a gun!"
Dr.Strangefate
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I bet they do a fancy redesign for Modern day with the Avengers.
Captain Canuck
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Movie poster exclusive to SDCC:
wow. That looks really cool!
Ice
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It doesn't really bother me. But like DSF said, when it'll come to the modern suit, I'm sure that won't be a problem then.
TheManWithoutFear
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"Slightly different spin on Steve Rogers
Dislike. Isn't one of the biggest elements to the Stever Roger story the fact that he was a super patriot during a time when it was appropriate to be one and then when he gets displaced in time and arrives in the present he has to question that? ****ing liberal hollywood :roll:
Dislike. Isn't one of the biggest elements to the Stever Roger story the fact that he was a super patriot during a time when it was appropriate to be one and then when he gets displaced in time and arrives in the present he has to question that? ****ing liberal hollywood :roll:
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Didn't **** any of those *****es
I think he was talking about how Cap views himself. He doesn't see himself as a talking billboard for war bonds, he sees himself as a soldier. And that part of the story is him coming to terms with being and icon or a living legend in the war.
J. Agamemnon
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Way to miss the forest for the trees. What the director is saying, we're getting 616 Steve (who's a good man, and dutiful soldier), not the chest thumping "This A doesn't stand for France!"/"Amurika is teh perfect and awesums!" 1610 Steve.
But go ahead, blame the Liberals (like the ones who created, and reinvented the character).
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Yeah, they just said he's not going to be a jingoist like Ultimate Cap was. He will be a more believable character that will appeal to a broader fan base. He'll still love his country, but he won't be custom made for the role of a patriotic symbol. He'll have to struggle to grow into that role. Sounds like a good take on him to me.
Langsta
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It doesn't just deviate from Ultimate Cap; 616 Cap used to punch Hitler on the covers of his comics for crying out loud. What's Cap supposed to be if not the greatest symbol of patriotism that comics has to offer?
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Because only real Americans ever wanted to punch Hitler.
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That still doesn't make him a jingoist. If confronted with Hitler at the time, any real soldier would have done a LOT worse than punch him.
Langsta
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Either way, classic Cap was a jingoist.
No, he wasn't, he was a kid who wanted to serve his country, but couldn't. Then he was molded into a figurehead.
You really need to understand what Jingoism is. I mean, did you sleep through 2001-2008?
Tho, the irony is palpable, since your "zOMG Cap HAS to be played by an American or it'll be un-American" drips with Jingoism.
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J. Agamemnon
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Well, I guess jumping the gun is a bit brash but Langsta is right. Early 616 Cap and Ultimate Cap were the same. The 616 Cap we know now, thanks to Bru, wasn't as one-dimensional and was more emotionally unstable than any other incarnation of him and that's what kept him interesting until his demise. I think you guys forget the Nomad years where Cap really transformed into the man without a country and it wasn't until 9/11 that he was given a newfound love for his country and was able to discern that you didn't have to love your government to love your country. And that all came with years of development.
From what it sounds like, they're just gonna throw that all away and say, "hey he's always been that way." That's not interesting, that's bland and lazy. It also lessens the dynamic or tension between the time displaced hero and his modern day counterparts. This isn't really about political views, it's about character development. For me at least.
The most important thing to take from this was that Steve Rogers was tired of being a weak, crippled kid during a time of war and loved his country SO MUCH that he was willing to give up his life to protect it. I think that if he didn't have that sense of jingoism, he wouldn't have been so willing to go through all the experiments to become the man he is.
From what it sounds like, they're just gonna throw that all away and say, "hey he's always been that way." That's not interesting, that's bland and lazy. It also lessens the dynamic or tension between the time displaced hero and his modern day counterparts. This isn't really about political views, it's about character development. For me at least.
The most important thing to take from this was that Steve Rogers was tired of being a weak, crippled kid during a time of war and loved his country SO MUCH that he was willing to give up his life to protect it. I think that if he didn't have that sense of jingoism, he wouldn't have been so willing to go through all the experiments to become the man he is.
The problem is, if you've read Cap long enough, he's far from the narrow focused "America is perfect" jingoist, he's clashed a lot with the powers that be. He recognized that our diversity is our strength, and hell, he's actually quit his job a couple times because he didn't agree with the conservative mindless patriotism.
J. Agamemnon
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The perfect man. That's very true. I kinda don't have any counter argument since we both hit similar points. I guess in the end I was hoping for the fresh, Ultimate versions where you get the jingoist, narcissist(?), anti-social genius, wife-beater small-complex genius(no change), may be crazy/no hat wearing "god", and ultimate manipulator team dynamic. there were so many character flaws to explore, but it seems more like they're taking the full-on action route.
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Yeah, if anything the Nomad years are exactly the OPPOSITE of what you are using them as a model for. Cap wasn't running around saying AMERICA CAN DO NO WRONG! like 1610 Steve did with Fury. 616 Cap is about making the right decision for freedom. In the 40's that was joining the war; to him in the 80's, he wasn't feeling it and felt the need to become Nomad; In Civil War this guided the stance he took. 616 Cap and 1610 Cap are completely different. Miles apart.
