All-Star Superman Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

I'm gonna go out on a limbe here and be the only one who didn't love this issue.

I love the book.......but I wasn't too crazy about this issue. I think it could be with the fact that I've never liked the Bizarro character. Ever. And even though it's not hard trying to decipher what he's saying.....I just annoyed with it.

Oh well.....
 
Rereading the issue, I think I've figured out the Bizarros. The Bizarro World in this continuity is located in what's called the Underverse, which is like a messed up mirror of our reality. The Bizarros, as a race, are blank slates, all looking alike. But when they come into contact with another member of another race, they become a crude copy of them.

There, I think we've worked it out.
 
Doc Comic said:
Here's what I've cobbled together. In the Doomsday Jimmy issue, when Superman was exposed to black kryptonite from the Underverse, he started talking like a Bizarro and stuff. From what I see, the Underverse is the opposite of our universe, where people talk backwards and such. Or something.

Anyways, Superman stated himself that the Bizarro we saw in this issue happened when one of PROJECT's Bizarro workers touched him and instead of him becoming infected like the fat black girl did, it spawned that Bizarro.

As for my opinion, I loved it. Morrison has managed to take the Silver Age, which I've always loved, and he's brought a post-modern feel to it. It's the Silver Age for the 21st century and I love it. I'm a hardcore Superman fan, as many of you know, and All Star Superman is at the top of the list of the Greatest Superman Stories Ever Told, along with Superman For All Seasons, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow, Must There Be A Superman, etc. I dare say it's the greatest Superman story to be crafted since the days of Siegel & Shuster.

For this issue in particular, I absolutely LOVE the idea of Zibarro. One in every five million Bizarros is basically retarded, like one in every so number human children is mentally disabled. But with Bizarro laws, retarded in their society means that the Bizarro is handsome, intelligent, and morally right. So Zibarro, the idea of Bizarro's Bizarro, is just amazing. I love it and I love his costume. Love it. Have I said love enough in this post yet?
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yes but I think one of the earlier issues specifically referenced a "Bizarro clone" from PROJECT. I don't get how it fits into a race of Bizarros, unless PROJECT created all of them.

And yes, Zibarro is a cool idea. I would have thought that the opposite of the opposite of Superman would be Superman, but what do I know.
 
They didn't like sunlight so he used the big cube planet's oceans to reflect onto the night side of the earth. You mean why don't bizarros like sun? I don't know. Why don't martians like fire?
 
Dr.Strangefate said:
Superman is powered by the sun, Bizarro is depowered by the sun.
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Of course. Tho I'm still slightly confused about the bizarro world. Are they all mirrors of superman or was that only the one that touched him. aren't they usually shapeless? or was that just a symptom of the dimension jump. If they are all like superman's bizarro isn't that quite a serious threat?..well obviously not if the sun is still about.
 
I thought it was pretty cool. It took me a second reading, but I love how Superman punched the Bizarro cube to turn it into a 'space mirror' to take out the Bizarro's. That's a great idea.

As for the Bizarros, I decided that it didn't matter it didn't make sense to me. All I knew and understood (and all I think I needed to know and understand) was that there is an alien planet-eater from the underverse that crudely mimiced Earth in order to eat it, hence a cube Earth. The bizarros on it are it's natives that try to do the same.

And then Superman punched their cube.

:rockon:
 
Bass said:
I thought it was pretty cool. It took me a second reading, but I love how Superman punched the Bizarro cube to turn it into a 'space mirror' to take out the Bizarro's. That's a great idea.

As for the Bizarros, I decided that it didn't matter it didn't make sense to me. All I knew and understood (and all I think I needed to know and understand) was that there is an alien planet-eater from the underverse that crudely mimiced Earth in order to eat it, hence a cube Earth. The bizarros on it are it's natives that try to do the same.

And then Superman punched their cube.

:rockon:
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Perfect way of summing it up! That should solve all questions over the issue. Thank you, Bass.
 
For anyone on the fence about picking up the first hardcover which came out last week - GET IT. It is absolutely gorgeous and having 6 of the best comics published in the last 5 years (or more) is incredible. GN of the year, right here baby.
 
I have the issues - what's in it other than 'it's pretty'? Otherwise I'll wait for the uber-hardcover of doom or something.
 
Bass said:
I have the issues - what's in it other than 'it's pretty'? Otherwise I'll wait for the uber-hardcover of doom or something.
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Nothing.

But it's nicer than all of the 6 issues put together.
 
just read the first 4 issues , will read 5+ 6 tomorrows


I loved the first two issues and IMO they were done well. I like the art and thought it was funny how lois won't believe Clark is Superman :lol:

3+4 I do not like for the following reasons : Super lois , Dinosaurs , A random egyptian Pharo , Jimmy dressed a woman But hopefully 5+6 will improve again.


So far I rate it 3 out 5
 
SSJmole said:
just read the first 4 issues , will read 5+ 6 tomorrows


I loved the first two issues and IMO they were done well. I like the art and thought it was funny how lois won't believe Clark is Superman :lol:

3+4 I do not like for the following reasons : Super lois , Dinosaurs , A random egyptian Pharo , Jimmy dressed a woman But hopefully 5+6 will improve again.


So far I rate it 3 out 5
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Ok....now I'm gonna just say it. I'm sure infractions will follow.....



You are ****ing crazy! Get off this site right now! I mean it. PM E or Ice and tell them to delete your account and then log off. Never to return. Between DC/Thundercats crossover, refusal to read Watchmen, a myriad of other things, and now you think AS Superman is just 3 outta 5!?!?!? It's just too much. Why do you NOT like good things? I don't understand how you're brain works!?!?!?!




23 pages of people basically willing to suck Grant Morrison off in return for more issues more often and you come at us with this trite. I hope Grant Morrison kills you. And I hope its a slow painful death.
 
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Victor Von Doom said:
you think AS Superman is just 3 outta 5!?!?!?
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Yes. I'm sorry If that for some reasons offends you doom. Like i said I have read 4 issues , 1st 2 issues were ****ing great. I loved them and if 5+6 are like that it would go up in rating.

3+4 I just didn't like.

but you want to get so defensive about it. Tell me how each of the following = great writing and so shocking for someone not to like.

  • Lois with super powers
  • Dinosaurs in modern day city
  • A random Egyptian Pharo
  • Jimmy dressed a woman.


Also again you feel the need to bring up "DC/Thundercats crossover" and "Not wanting to read watchmen" Which have **** all to do with the fact I didn't like 2 issues.

Now had 3+4 been like 1+2 I would of given it a 4.7 out of 5. Those two just let me down and felt so random and stupid.

Now if you liked issues 3+4 good for you. I didn't so back off. If you read 4 issues of a series and loved 2 but 2 of them you hated what your rating be? mine was 3 so it was balanced out. After issues 5 and 6 it will go up hopefully.


Do you even read the entire message? I said why I hated 3+4 in first post but seemed the only part you read was the rating.
 
Victor Von Doom said:
23 pages of people basically willing to suck Grant Morrison off in return for more issues more often and you come at us with this trite. I hope Grant Morrison kills you. And I hope its a slow painful death.
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This is my all-time favourite Doom post.

Edit: For the record, I'm still anxiously awaiting to read AS-S, so for all I know, I could end up agreeing with Mole. Doom's post is just hilarious in general.
 
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SSJmole said:
just read the first 4 issues , will read 5+ 6 tomorrows


I loved the first two issues and IMO they were done well. I like the art and thought it was funny how lois won't believe Clark is Superman :lol:

3+4 I do not like for the following reasons : Super lois , Dinosaurs , A random egyptian Pharo , Jimmy dressed a woman But hopefully 5+6 will improve again.


So far I rate it 3 out 5
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I didn't like #6. It's the only one I've not liked out of the 7 we've had so far. But I loved the Super Lois episode! And no for Jimmy Doomsday? I loved 'em! :D
 
SSJmole said:
  • Lois with super powers
  • Dinosaurs in modern day city
  • A random Egyptian Pharo
  • Jimmy dressed a woman.
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  • The Lois with super powers issue was an homage to the classic sliver age plot device of "One of superman's friends gets powered". In addition it lead to tipping us off that Superman definatly won't die at the end. How does it do that? The Superman Dead headline had a byline by Clark Kent.
  • Okay, if you didn't like the Dino-Czar you really don't have a soul. Its not like they lived in the city, it was an invasion from dino-men that live near the earths core. If Mum-Rah had sent them you'd have eaten it up.
  • It was a Sphinx actually and not random at all. Earlier in the issue it had been set up that Samson (Or atlas, its been a bit) had stolen the jewels that he gave Lois from the Sphinx, and paid tribute to the classic Riddle of the Sphinx myth, having Superman solve a Super Version.
  • Yeah, Jimmy dressed as a woman was just funny man.

Arguments countered.
 
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