Lost *spoilers*

Stop knocking Season 3. As a whole, I've found it just as enjoyable as the first two seasons. I just think it's fallen victim to poor advertising, sloppy scheduling, and fans expecting too much at once. Be patient and the fog will clear... I have hope for the future of Lost.

You make a good point, DiB. I do think that Locke felt like he was decieved and would definitely not feel any remorse towards the Others if given the chance... I'm sure this goes for all of the Lostaways. Thing is, from what we know of Locke's past, he's the farmer, not the hunter. I think that's the stuff they put that to in one of his episodes...
 
I think Locke pushes him into the fence to make him talk.
 
Goodwill said:
Stop knocking Season 3. As a whole, I've found it just as enjoyable as the first two seasons. I just think it's fallen victim to poor advertising, sloppy scheduling, and fans expecting too much at once. Be patient and the fog will clear... I have hope for the future of Lost.
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Well I can't speak for Proj but I definitely think Season 3's been considerably weaker than the first two.

And it's not because of poor ads, because I avoid all previews for it like the plague(too many goddam spoilers), nor is it my frustration with a lack of answers. It's just not as captivating anymore. The fun and closeness is drying up and the flashbacks are becoming, for the most part, pure filler.
 
I agree with you on the flashbacks front, but to say that the show is no longer close and what not is relative. They've sacrificed that for storytelling and progression. While it is few and far between, there have been more answers so far in Season 3 than there has been in either of the first two seasons. I'm beginning to think that this show won't win with fans because they are too critical of it.
 
One of the better episodes.

I agree about Lost losing some of it's magic, but I knew it would from season one. But I will still watch it and love it.

I don't have any problems with the scheduling this year. It was worst last year.
 
Lost has been different this year because they taken away a lot of the mystique of the show by revealing more about the Others. In a lot of ways, they've moved more toward a character drama than it was before.
 
Goodwill said:
Stop knocking Season 3. As a whole, I've found it just as enjoyable as the first two seasons. I just think it's fallen victim to poor advertising, sloppy scheduling, and fans expecting too much at once. Be patient and the fog will clear... I have hope for the future of Lost.
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Only being honest Goody. The fact is, Season 3 has definitly fallen short compared to the first two seasons. It has nothing to do with expecting too much at once (we've already been waiting over three years). It has to do with telling a good story, and some of the Season 3 episodes just haven't done so.

Not to say it isn't still a good show, but it definitly isn't living up to its potential as it once was. I just hope it improves to its previous level of quality before too long. Either way, I'll be watching to the end, as I love the show, the characters, and have invested too much time and energy not to see it concluded.

You make a good point, DiB. I do think that Locke felt like he was decieved and would definitely not feel any remorse towards the Others if given the chance... I'm sure this goes for all of the Lostaways. Thing is, from what we know of Locke's past, he's the farmer, not the hunter. I think that's the stuff they put that to in one of his episodes...
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True, but that doesn't mean a farmer won't kill a wolf to protect his flock and/or crop.

(Read between the lines on that one, please).

Goodwill said:
I agree with you on the flashbacks front, but to say that the show is no longer close and what not is relative. They've sacrificed that for storytelling and progression. While it is few and far between, there have been more answers so far in Season 3 than there has been in either of the first two seasons. I'm beginning to think that this show won't win with fans because they are too critical of it.
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Works both ways, Goody. Sometimes I don't think you're critical enough. Kinda blinded by your love for the show, almost. Not saying thats the case, just a possibility.

Either way, its still a good show, just not as good as it was. There's no disputing that in my opinion.
 
DIrishB said:
Only being honest Goody. The fact is, Season 3 has definitly fallen short compared to the first two seasons. It has nothing to do with expecting too much at once (we've already been waiting over three years). It has to do with telling a good story, and some of the Season 3 episodes just haven't done so.

Not to say it isn't still a good show, but it definitly isn't living up to its potential as it once was. I just hope it improves to its previous level of quality before too long. Either way, I'll be watching to the end, as I love the show, the characters, and have invested too much time and energy not to see it concluded.



True, but that doesn't mean a farmer won't kill a wolf to protect his flock and/or crop.

(Read between the lines on that one, please).



Works both ways, Goody. Sometimes I don't think you're critical enough. Kinda blinded by your love for the show, almost. Not saying thats the case, just a possibility.

Either way, its still a good show, just not as good as it was. There's no disputing that in my opinion.
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I agree with all of that. Well said DiB.
 
I admit it was well put... BUT you haven't convinced me that Season 3 has been lacking. We've got so many new angles to the show now that it is impossible to end tragically in a cancellation due to the fact that the writers don't know where the show is actually going. For now, we've done away with a lot of the stuff that made the show suffer before, such as Michael (The guy was a horrible, one-sided actor. Sorry.), Ana Lucia, the annoying banter between Jack and Locke (It was really well written in the first season... As the second season continued, I had had enough of it) and the Hatch (With the exception of the numbers and Desmond, nothing really interested me about the Hatch... Purple sky? The Others lost communication with the outside world? Who cares... Penny is on her way.)... Now, with Season 3 we've got a direction, these new angles that I alluded at before (The Others being introduced) and we've even got room to take a break and enjoy the characters (Tricia Tanaka Is Dead was the most fun episode I've probably ever watched outta Lost). On the grand scheme of things, I don't see how Season 3 is lacking, whether I'm not being too critical of the show or not... I do admit the focus in the beginning of the season on the Others was a bit too much at once and compromised some of the characters which rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, but in a lot of ways it was a necessary evil.

The only thing I can see wrong with Season 3 so far (besides what I had mentioned before... In case you don't remember, the poor advertising and the long break that was maybe too long) is Nikki and Paulo... And Alex. Don't much care for her so far into this season.
 
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Goodwill said:
For now, we've done away with a lot of the stuff that made the show suffer before, such as Michael (The guy was a horrible, one-sided actor. Sorry.)
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Harold Perrineau's performance in "Three Minutes" is, in my opinion, just about the best acting in the entire series(right up there with Desmond in "LTDA" and Locke in "Walkabout" and "Lockdown").

As the second season continued, I had had enough of it) and the Hatch (With the exception of the numbers and Desmond, nothing really interested me about the Hatch... Purple sky?
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Sufferin' Succotash, I don't think I could disagree more on this one.
 
Do we need to go over his lines for the second season again?

"I'm going to get my boy back!"

"Don't try to stop me, I'm going to get my BOY. BACK."

You want a compelling moment on Lost, you watch the first season where Jack is pounding on a lifeless Charlie's chest in an attempt to get him to breath again... OR when Locke is driving away from his father's house, dejected... OR when Eko died.

Michael was the flattest character on the show.

And let's have a discussion... Aside from entering the numbers into the computer, where were the numbers actually going? The writers have admitted to NOT having a legitimate reason why those numbers are bad luck or are always tied to something in the show... It's coincidental so that people will be more interested. It's a ploy. They've admitted that.
 
the first two seasons didn't matter. the hatch blew up so there was no real purpose for that. all of the people on the second half of the plane are dead. no purpose for that whole story line. and my guess is whatever is the big story this season will amount to nothing.
 
Goodwill said:
I admit it was well put... BUT you haven't convinced me that Season 3 has been lacking.
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I'm not trying to convince you of anything, just offer my opinion.

We've got so many new angles to the show now that it is impossible to end tragically in a cancellation due to the fact that the writers don't know where the show is actually going.
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Goody, that sentence made no sense whatsoever.

New angles aren't always a good thing. In fact, too drastic a new angle and the fanbase is often turned off. This has indeed happened with Lost lately...not to a drastic degree, but the ratings, critical response, and Lost message board grumblings (instead of the usual fawning over the show and its creators) are all indicative of this. Its not about other people swaying my opinion so much as a general consensus amongst a large portion of the show's fanbase: Season 3 is by no means as good as the 1st or even 2nd season. This doesn't mean it isn't still a good show, just not up to its original par.

And it being impossible to end in cancellation "due to the fact that the writers don't know where the show is actually going"? What the hell?
This sounds like a good thing to you?

First of all, nothing is impossible, especially in TV land (be thankful Lost doesn't air on FOX, otherwise it probably would've gone the way of Firefly). I admit, its unlikely Lost will be canceled before the creative powers that be finish telling their story.

But you claim they don't know where the show is going? I doubt that very much, but I'd rather them at least have some sort of plan than be making it up on the fly.

For now, we've done away with a lot of the stuff that made the show suffer before, such as Michael (The guy was a horrible, one-sided actor. Sorry.), Ana Lucia, the annoying banter between Jack and Locke (It was really well written in the first season... As the second season continued, I had had enough of it) and the Hatch (With the exception of the numbers and Desmond, nothing really interested me about the Hatch... Purple sky? The Others lost communication with the outside world? Who cares... Penny is on her way.)... Now, with Season 3 we've got a direction, these new angles that I alluded at before (The Others being introduced) and we've even got room to take a break and enjoy the characters (Tricia Tanaka Is Dead was the most fun episode I've probably ever watched outta Lost). On the grand scheme of things, I don't see how Season 3 is lacking, whether I'm not being too critical of the show or not... I do admit the focus in the beginning of the season on the Others was a bit too much at once and compromised some of the characters which rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, but in a lot of ways it was a necessary evil.
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I'm interested in this "direction" you speak of. Like I said, I love the show, but it doesn't necessarily have any more direction now than it did in the first two seasons. There's still no goal, other than getting off the island, which was a goal from the first moment they'd crashed there. The Others subplot is interesting, but I'd hardly call it giving the show much direction.

The only thing I can see wrong with Season 3 so far (besides what I had mentioned before... In case you don't remember, the poor advertising and the long break that was maybe too long) is Nikki and Paulo... And Alex. Don't much care for her so far into this season.
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Agreed on both, but really nobody likes those three. Supposedly Nikki and Paulo will be redeemed in their upcoming flashback episode, but a lot of the promises made for Season 3 haven't exactly been lived up to to their potential, so I'll wait to see how that turns out.
 
Frap, I'm with you on that one... That was essentially what I was trying to say, but my argument just got long-winded.

First off, during the first season we were introduced to the polar bear, the monster, the Others (Ethan), in a very small measure... The rest was pretty much introducing the characters and playing up the fact that there is something to the island. Suppose the writers had started writing in a whole lot more revelations in the first season... Now, we wouldn't have the characters going stale because they weren't developed as quickly, and the first Season wouldn't seem like it lingered so much. When I watch the Season 1 DVDs next to the Season 2 DVDs, I'm more entertained by the second set because more happened. So, what I'm trying to say is, either the writers weren't sure what the Others and the Island were all about back then OR they didn't expect to reach the end to explain everything. You've got to admit there are things on the show that you thought would never be explained... Like, the Smoke Monster, for instance, and the fact that Locke can now walk again BUT Ben contracted cancer. There are obvious holes that I don't think they considered at first. Now, like I said, there is a noticeable direction (at least to me), but in the beginning, it was jumping from one loose end to another and it would be episodes or even a season before we'd get anything tangible again.

And, to me, Nikki and Paulo are small gripes. Just because they were Lostaways and took this long to introduce them doesn't bother me, it's their acting ability. There have been some mediocre actors before, but none as silly as the two of these people. Shannon and Michael, for instance, annoyed me a lot... Now, Nikki and Paulo are filling these shoes. When they are interacting with characters like Locke, Hurley, and Sawyer, where the characters are established and you can tell what they are feeling through the way the actors are acting, it really makes the others look bad. Hopefully, these two characters will be redeemed soon enough.

One more thing, too... Does anyone find Jack to be annoying now? His ranting is getting to be a bit too repetitive, you know? Maybe that's an even bigger gripe than Nikki and Paulo that I didn't even think about.
 
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