What's the worst thing to happen to/in comics?

[McCheese]

Jeph Loeb.

I'd expand that thought, but I'd just be repeating what I've said about the man all over this board previously.

 

[Jaggyd]

Jeph Loeb... and if you say anything other than him, you're a member of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor.

 

[Bass]

 

[selfproclaimed]

i'm afraid that if i voted for anything other than loeb i will get banned. but seriously, loeb is pretty not great.

 

[Zombipanda]

I don't disagree, but that, again, is a direct consequence of the Marvel bankruptcy I referenced earlier.

I don't think it's a consequence so much as it's symptomatic of that line of thinking. Marvel had been rapidly sinking because of endless crossovers and a policy of flash over substance. Heroes Reborn is just a capstone to that line of thinking, that the way to patch the ship is to sink all their major franchises into this sort of cheap ploy.

I don't think you can remove the whole 90's implosion from the equation, simply because it is the worst thing to happen to comics in the recentish past. If anything, serving as the low watermark of the nineties implosion makes it all the more meaningful a disaster.

 

[J. Agamemnon]

I'm surprised Rob Liefeld isn't on it.

 

[Ice]

I'm surprised Rob Liefeld isn't on it.

Really?

 

[ProjectX2]

18 votes for Jeph Loeb.

Excellent.

 

[J. Agamemnon]

Really?

well played.

 

[Langsta]

I'm surprised Rob Liefeld isn't on it.

He should be. I really thought he would make the list.

 

[E]

I don't think it's a consequence so much as it's symptomatic of that line of thinking. Marvel had been rapidly sinking because of endless crossovers and a policy of flash over substance. Heroes Reborn is just a capstone to that line of thinking, that the way to patch the ship is to sink all their major franchises into this sort of cheap ploy.

I don't think you can remove the whole 90's implosion from the equation, simply because it is the worst thing to happen to comics in the recentish past. If anything, serving as the low watermark of the nineties implosion makes it all the more meaningful a disaster.

I agree with you (almost) completely, I'm just saying that all of that crapiness that happened in the 90s including the train of thought you referenced was due to the Perelman disaster. He caused all of it, directly and indirectly. You can't really say Heroes Reborn or even the thinking behind it was the worst thing to happen without examining what caused it - policies put in place by Perelman.

I misspoke in that last post you quoted - I said the Marvel bankruptcy and I didn't mean the bankruptcy, I meant the event that ultimately caused the bankruptcy, which was Perelman's ownership and destruction.

 

[selfproclaimed]

the other worst thing was when my dad accidently threw out my comics collection as a kid along with all of my baseball cards one day. that sucked.

 

[Bass]

i'm afraid that if i voted for anything other than loeb i will get banned. but seriously, loeb is pretty not great.

You almost got banned just for almost not voting for Loeb.

I'm surprised Rob Liefeld isn't on it.

Liefeld is kinda part of the "90s" and since that's not an option, we all must vote for Loeb.

 

[Ice]

I did I would add on, but you guys don't read. So final option is Other. Have fun!

 

[Captain Canuck]

So i just found out that Jeph Loeb wrote Superman for a while. Did anyone read it? How was it?

 

[E]

So i just found out that Jeph Loeb wrote Superman for a while. Did anyone read it? How was it?

I didn't, but I did read Hush and the Marvel "color stories" (Spider-Man: Blue, etc.). I didnt' think they were bad at all, even if the color stories were just retellings. So he's not completely terrible (or at least hasn't always been).

 

[Bass]

I found it boring. Art was nice though.

 

[Captain Canuck]

I didn't, but I did read Hush and the Marvel "color stories" (Spider-Man: Blue, etc.). I didnt' think they were bad at all, even if the color stories were just retellings. So he's not completely terrible (or at least hasn't always been).

Spider-Man Blue is one of my favourite tpbs ever!

Daredevil Yellow was pretty much the same story though...

 

[The Overlord]

I found it boring. Art was nice though.

But that's the worst thing you say about that story, at best it was good, but not great and at worst it was mediocre, most of Loeb's stuff before the death of his son wasn't offensively bad. Its kinda sad.

 

[E]

Spider-Man Blue is one of my favourite tpbs ever!

I liked Hulk: Gray better but yeah, it was pretty good. Daredevil: Yellow was probably the weakest one.