Watchmen film discussion (Spoilers!)

How would you rate Watchmen?

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DARKKNIGHT said:
if by kewl you mean cool, than no i didn't think he was too cool. i think that there had to be a character that the audience could really root for. i think that Rorschach was that character in this film. additionally, i think that this adds some additional "emotionality" to the ending. but what do i know.
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Well, I thought that Rorscach was just as "cool" in the movie as he was in the TPB. What did he do in the movie that he didn't do in the TPB?
 
Doublehex said:
Well, I thought that Rorscach was just as "cool" in the movie as he was in the TPB. What did he do in the movie that he didn't do in the TPB?
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i don't know for sure what he was trying to get at, but i assumed he meant that in the GN Rorschach is a bit more crazy and deranged. he might be a bit less relatable in his radical conservative politics. i dunno though, i agree with you.
 
Joe Kalicki said:
Dak Knight Returns, Squadron Supreme, I'd even put the original Crisis in there - all these books came out at once. If there was this cosmic shift in storytelling, it was on its way well before Watchmen.
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I do agree about Squadron Supreme. That book doesn't near the credit it deserves vs. Watchmen or Dark Knight as far as reinventing whatever they reinvented.
 
I don't think I'd say Watchmen "reinvented" comics because it's not like all stories or characters from then on were founded on it. After a lifetime of reading post-Watchmen comics, I read Watchmen for the first time about a year ago and it seemed fresh and mind-blowing and pretty different from almost anything I've read.

I think The Dark Knight Returns gets the "reinvented comics" award because you can clearly see how many, many stories for the next 20 years after it was published took off straight from it and tried to emulate it in various ways.

No, what Watchmen is is probably the deepest, most layererd, detailed, tightly-written, literary and timeless comic published to date, brimming with rich, fascinating characters and ideas that will stick with you forever. It didn't revolutionize the genre, it's just the best and deepest story from the genre.
 
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Well I saw the movie tonight. It was... interesting... Not a great movie but Interesting. There where a few scenes when I felt I was going to be into it. But then it would have a scene that just blew that up. I do agree with DARKKNIGHT that Rorschach carried this film.

Also I do feel sorry for the guy that sat in front of me, he brought his kids. That can't end well if their mother ever finds out what they saw on the screen.

Mother: Kids how was the moive.

Kids: We saw a naked lady and a guy with a blue dick. Then we saw that same lady having sex with two different guys. Oh, oh and then we saw a one of the good guys try to rape someone. Oh and, and one of good guys took a meat cleaver and hack a bad man in the head over and over and over and over and over again...

Man, he's never going to be able to take his kids to a movie ever again.
 
Oh my gosh it just keeps getting worst!!!!!


Coming this Summer Watchmen the animated series.

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the watcher said:
Also I do feel sorry for the guy that sat in front of me, he brought his kids. That can't end well if their mother ever finds out what they saw on the screen.
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I really have no sympathy for people that take their kids to see this and then ***** that it's so violent and mature in tone. There are ratings for a reason. The rationale is listed in the rating so parents can see why the movie is rated what it is rated. This isn't really a response to the experience that you had, more of just a rant toward comments i've seen online. People need to start taking more responsibility for what their kids see, and stop blaming hollywood and various filmmakers. that's just my little rant for now...
 
Joe Kalicki said:
Watchmen didn't single-handedly do anything. The whole zeitgeist was leaning in that direction as it was. It didn't change how super-heroes were written from then on. It was different, but it didn't change everything.
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Didn't say anything about Watchmen doing it single-handedly but it was a major contribution and this is a thread about... Watchmen.

The Overlord said:
Did anyone think Rorschach was a little too kewl in the movie? Was the satire missing with him?
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I do think he fought too many cops when he leaped out of the building. I'm pretty sure he didn't fight that many in the comic.

Planet-man said:
I don't think I'd say Watchmen "reinvented" comics because it's not like all stories or characters from then on were founded on it. After a lifetime of reading post-Watchmen comics, I read Watchmen for the first time about a year ago and it seemed fresh and mind-blowing and pretty different from almost anything I've read.
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Again, I didn't say it reinvented comics. I said it reinvented the superhero genre. I just didn't mention the others because we were talking about Watchmen. I'm not denying they also didn't contribute.

And in my opinion, I find Watchmen much better than The Dark Knight Returns and Squadron Supreme.

But anyway, whatever. Back to the movie.
 
ProjectX2 said:
Again, I didn't say it reinvented comics. I said it reinvented the superhero genre. I just didn't mention the others because we were talking about Watchmen. I'm not denying they also didn't contribute.

And in my opinion, I find Watchmen much better than The Dark Knight Returns and Squadron Supreme.

But anyway, whatever. Back to the movie.
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I was just thinking about the superhero genre anyway, so I stick with what I said. My point is really that Watchmen deserves the level of acclaim it gets, as long as the acclaim is about its quality instead of its influence. I also find Watchmen to be better in general than TDKR(which I loooooooooove and certainly helped reinvent my world of comics), but I haven't read Squadron Supreme.
 
Saw it today and - not to be boring - but I agree with most people here that it was pretty good but not brilliant.

There were moments that were cringe-inducing and could've ruined any movie (The porno-style Owlship sex scene set for no reason to "Hallelujah" being the first thing that comes to mind. That was just awful) balanced out by some very, very cool stuff, the Dr. Manhattan sequence and the opening credits maybe being my favorite parts. (I've had "The Times They Are A-Changing" stuck in my head all day.)

Getting back to that sex scene, I'm going to sound like a prude and say that I though the sex and violence was really excessive and pointless. Of course most of the instances of sex or violence were taken directly from the comic, it's just that they were played in a totally different way there. I've never seen Alan Moore write something that would seem gratuitous. I can distinctly remember reading Watchmen for the first time at maybe 13 and being excited - as any 13 year old would be - about all the "adult content" that was in it. Actually reading it, even at that age, the sex and violence just wasn't "titillating" in any way. I think maybe Zack Snyder hasn't grown up enough yet to realize that what makes Watchmen so mature is the way it portrays those things rather than the fact that it does. It's not a Frank Miller book.

But like I said, there were parts of it that I really enjoyed. The effects were impressive, and it was wonderful to see so many moments from the comic recreated like that. Jeffrey Dean Morgan was great, as were Patrick Wilson and Billy Crudup. Matthew Goode sucked though. I really wish they hadn't made him such a villain. It makes the ending predictable, and after we've learned that he's behind everything, he's not really charismatic enough for us to see his side of things. Jackie Earle Haley was decent....I just don't think there was anything unexpected about his performance.

Overall, I liked it, and I'll be excited to see it again and to see the director's cut. I understand why opinions are so divided though. Personally, I don't think it's the best adaptation of Watchmen possible, but it's the best we could have expected.
 
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I pretty much agree with everything moonmaster said here. I wouldn't call the Owlship sex scene awful at all, and can definitely see what they were going for, but I'd still have preferred something much closer to my favourite sex scene in a movie - the one from The Terminator. Hallelujah would've gone better with that too.

But it's not really supposed to be like that, it's supposed to be kind of a release for their excitement and elevation, so the movie is closer in that regard, but still doesn't quite hit the mark.
 
So I saw this in IMAX and I thought it was great a very faithful adaptation. Better yet my brother who doesn't read comics loved it too.

I only had a few gripe but none of them ruined the movie:
1. The music, there was just a lot of odd choices played too loud. Could have been handled much better.

2. Rorschach didn't burn the one guy alive. I felt that was always such a cool way to kill a child killer.

3. The Explosions. Now I know the squid would never have worked for general audience, when I told my brother about it he thought I was just bull ****ting him. But I understand the change and in someways it worked much better and made more sense. But the thing is that I hate was that we didn't see bodies in the streets. Something that really hit me was seeing NYC covered in blood and corpses. I was quite piss that the general audience could feel the impact they were suppose to.

Still Acting was superb, Special Effects Amazing and just an incredible adaptation.

ALSO, something you will not ****ing believe what I saw. So the movie ends I walk out and I see a little kid no older than 7 walking down the stairs. WHAT THE ****!!!! Who in their right ****ing mind would bring a ****ing little kid to a movie like this. I said **** 50 times in the span of a minute talking about how ****ed up that is. The kids is going to be ****ed up for years
 
I'm going to be boring, too, and say I thought it was decent, but not spectacular.

What really carried the movie was some of the acting. Morgan and Haley were superb, and Wilson also deserves kudos. Crudup I'm torn on, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt considering how hard Manhatten would be to play. I wasn't a fan of Ozy or Silk Spectre, though. Ozy was just terrible all around. His look and acting was just. . .awful. And Spectre had the look (She was damn hot in the movie), but just fell flat.

I was fine with the extra violence, but I felt the sex scene was kind of ridiculous and gratuitous. I also LOVED the opening sequence, however.

I HATED the ending, though. For numerous reasons. One was making Manhatten the threat. Wouldn't the Russians still blame America for harboring and creating Manhatten in the first place, regardless of him attacking America? That really stuck out in my mind. I also was pissed that Manhatten didn't tell Ozy that the peace, ultimately, wouldn't last. That was Ozy getting defeated. No, instead, he won. And it was stupid.
However, I also hated the ending in the book, as I felt it was overblown, cheesy and completely ridiculous. I've just come to the conclusion that Ozymandias' plot was so ludicrous that it wouldn't have worked if it wasn't a comic/movie. So, I just ignore the ending.

I did like the addition of Nite Owl to the Manhatten-Rorschach exchange, though. It added emotion to that scene and that's exactly how Nite Owl would have reacted.
 
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