Was Millar's X-Men Too Over the Top?

[McCheese]

Law & Order isn't even "realistic"

No you're thinking of CSI.

 

[ProjectX2]

Law & Order isn't even "realistic"

I was generalizing, but you get what I mean.

 

[The Overlord]

Well, how the hell could this get any more realistic? Any more and this is will turn out to be nothing but actual real life! That's how you guys are putting it to be. Yes, realism is being thrown in the mix, but realism can only go so far, ESPECIALLY in a comic book!

Comics should be governed by internal logic, regardless of SoD. Cyclops using optic beams is covered under SoD, everyone in the Ultimate Universe acting completely stupid is not. To have a realstic universe, the public should have realstic reactions to these fantastic stituations, rather then acting like idiotic sterotypes.

 

[Random]

What I don't like is that the FF have a time machine, and its not a big deal to them. THEY CAN TRAVEL THROUGH TIME. That is one of the greatest scienctific accomplishments and its nothing to them. And everything should have a reasonable explanation, even if you come up with the craziest thing their needs to be a reasonable explanation, or don't do it. I 'm mean a robot whose can do anything Reed thinks? That's just insane. I just wished they'd think things through.

 

[Doc Comic]

It is as if I heard a million skotti fanboys suddenly cry out in terror...and then were suddenly silenced.

 

[The Overlord]

What I don't like is that the FF have a time machine, and its not a big deal to them. THEY CAN TRAVEL THROUGH TIME. That is one of the greatest scienctific accomplishments and its nothing to them. And everything should have a reasonable explanation, even if you come up with the craziest thing their needs to be a reasonable explanation, or don't do it. I 'm mean a robot whose can do anything Reed thinks? That's just insane. I just wished they'd think things through.

Time travel almost always causes problems if not handled well, storywise.

 

[Ice]

None of that has to do with Ultimate X-Men.

 

[Ice]

I don't say things to get ignored. Again, this is for Millar and Ultimate X-MEN.

You want to talk about what he does with UFF, take that to where it really belongs.

 

[ourchair]

Also, I don't like how he interprets American politics... Sometimes he can be scathing and annoying about it.

I think the problem isn't that Millar intends to be scathingly critical or sound harsh at all when he injects politics into his comics. The problem is that Millar writes almost ALL his characters with such a blunt over-the-top voice that has no subtlety and as such, its easy to confuse the tone of his characters with his own personal tone.

I think Frank Miller is far worse when he's the one trying to get all socio-political commentary on your ***.

 

[TheManWithoutFear]

Millar's political views are perfect.

 

[Goodwill]

I think the problem isn't that Millar intends to be scathingly critical or sound harsh at all when he injects politics into his comics. The problem is that Millar writes almost ALL his characters with such a blunt over-the-top voice that has no subtlety and as such, its easy to confuse the tone of his characters with his own personal tone.

I think Frank Miller is far worse when he's the one trying to get all socio-political commentary on your ***.

I think you're absolutely right.

 

[iceman]

the only thing that was over the top was the dialogue.

 

[jtg3885]

Millar's political views are perfect.

Mehh. I hear liberal ranting about Bush's policies all the time. I don't need to read about it when I pick up a comic.

 

[TheManWithoutFear]

Mehh. I hear liberal ranting about Bush's policies all the time. I don't need to read about it when I pick up a comic.

I don't read anything Millar has written taking a shot at Bush.

 

[Effect]

Was Millar's X-men too over the top?

Most certainly yes. I feel that Ultimate X-men's first arc is the reason why I couldn't and still can't get into Ultimate X-men. I understand trying to get across just how much mutants were feared and hated but the presentation was bad I felt. It was so overtop that it simply became silly and totally unbelieveable. Yes I know this is a comic but you need a certain amount of believeablity in a story unless it's high magic fantasy or a cartoon. The whole story just left a serious bad taste in my mouth. This situation and the whole Logan/Jean sleeping together. It just served to make her come off as seriously skanky and slutty. As a 616 Jean fan it just really turned me off to the characters completely with how it was presented.

Perhaps if Millar's first two arcs didn't have this really choppy feeling to it in it's story progression things might have felt better. There was no build up to these characters. I was given no reason at all as for why I should care about them. It's as if he was expecting the fans like of their 616 versions to fill that void but their actions weren't too appealing. I was more frustrated and annoyed by the entire thing.

Scott: We see him looking at Jean and Logan kissing. We are suppose to know he could be jealous but why should we care?

Jean: Has no trouble jumping into bed with Logan after one kiss. Then she gets angry when he tells her he was going to kill Xavier but isn't now. Sure she gets made but is that even really the main focus or is that she is pretty much a slut (I feel this image of her has pretty much ruined my opinion of the Ultiamte version of the character has really be a big problem for me, combined with the skankish apperance I feel she had and most likely still does since I haven't read any recent issues). Yet tries to be morally right by being angry that he was going to kill Prof. X and wanting nothing to do with him every again. The whole thing was a WTF? situation, not in a good way.

There was no flow to those arcs. Things just jumped around I felt. To much trying to be done, to many characters attempting to be used that seemed like they were there just for the sake of being there.

First impressions are everything they say. Ultimate Spider-man and Ultimate Fantastic Four gave great first impressions I felt. You were introduced to the cast, they were developed and then eased into fighting. Ultimate X-men just seem to throw you into the deep end of the pool for no real reason. Did Millar think that people wouldn't be interested in the title or story if he didn't start right away with the killing, sex, big explosions. It's almost as if it was writen around those three things instead of them just being apart of a story.

 

[jeremiahvedder]

Some girls **** on the first date.

I, personally, don't see a real big problem with that.

 

[Effect]

Some girls **** on the first date.

I, personally, don't see a real big problem with that.

That wasn't even a first date but a random meeting with a stranger.

 

[jtg3885]

I don't read anything Millar has written taking a shot at Bush.

You mean you don't read the Ultimates?

 

[TheManWithoutFear]

You mean you don't read the Ultimates?

Ultimates has nothing to do with George Bush.

 

[Captain Morgan]

The kid being excecuted was indeed Detonator, who had been involved on an attack on the white house. I think that Millar's run, while over the top, was cool. Nothing to make me hate it.