Upcoming Ultimate Spider-Man arcs

Nick MB said:
I'd kinda like to see Bendis have more running subplots. Like, the clone stuff starts in one arc, bubbles under for a couple then comes to the boil. We maybe have an arc in 101 - 106 or whatever doing the six arms (which does look like happening) and the clone making his debut. Then Pete has to deal with having the clone around while whatever happens for a couple arcs, then the Ultimate Jackal or whoever turns up and it all hits the fan for "the big clone arc", would probably take us into the 120s. It would be a nice way to homage the original clone saga's style without going over the top.
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I couldn't agree more. That's one thing that has bothered me about USM lately...every arc is so final (Carnage, Hobgoblin, Venom - and no, having them come up in a later story is not the same). I really would like to see more running subplots.

Well said, Nick.
 
I definitely agree, too. E put it nicely - things are so definite by the end of an arc. I do see Peter's feelings being translated well from arc to arc (Yes, even since the Hob where I thought it was a little off). I really like May's comment about Peter running from life like his father in 80. That kind of thing is what's holding these arcs together, but there will eventually be a resolution to this problem. Likely sooner rather than later. If we've got more stories running along throughout the arcs like this Moon Knight is shaping to be, we'll have a winner.
 
UltimateE said:
I couldn't agree more. That's one thing that has bothered me about USM lately...every arc is so final (Carnage, Hobgoblin, Venom - and no, having them come up in a later story is not the same). I really would like to see more running subplots.

Well said, Nick.
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I also have to agree, but I guess thats what you get from an "arc into trade equals cash" mentality. No offense, but Marvel has been pushing their Ultimate trades since the beginning, its one of their top selling books year round, and the trades I imagine do very well (I don't have any official numbers, but I do know that every book and comic store in my area has a good collection of Ultimate trades available, as well as the Hardcovers--usually most stores have at least a half shelf full of Ultimate titles, mostly USM and UXM trades, sometimes Ultimates, occasionally a UDD&E or something).

But I think this mind-set in some ways leads a lot of writers to self-contain many aspects of their stories now into one arc, without many subplots, as subplots lead to more continuity and supposedly Marvel isn't that concerned about continuity in the Ultimate Universe, they just want to tell a good story. Personally I think this quote is part valid, part BS. In my opinion, it screws-up continuity and the realism of the story by having time discrepancies. It would be much more believable if there weren't these constant screw-ups. It really seems almost like laziness. If you're going to write a story using an existing character, do a little research on the character and use that either as a background for your story or if you want, ignore it, but don't write specifically conflicting aspects into your story which would invalidate either your own or another writer's story (Ultimate Iron Man, the early Ultimate FF appearances in Super Special, etc). This falls just as much on the Editors (I've never been a real big fan of Lowe, Macchio, and Co. due to the amount of mistakes they've let slip through in the Ultimate titles) as it does on the writers. Sorry to go off on a tangent, but I think it relates.
 
DIrishB said:
I also have to agree, but I guess thats what you get from an "arc into trade equals cash" mentality. No offense, but Marvel has been pushing their Ultimate trades since the beginning, its one of their top selling books year round, and the trades I imagine do very well
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I think you're probably right, but I think a good writer can work around that. Mark Millar, specifically, is doing an amazing job in this regard in Ultimates 2.
 
I'm still expecting the Clone of Peter Parker to be Carnage... I don't think that it needs a host, what it needs is the life force of other people, and that makes it more human... It was already convinced it was Peter in the Carnage Arc, I'm curious to see what would push it to really become Human(ish)...

Wouldn't it be interesting if it did Fury's job for him, and literally absorbed all of Peter's abilities and strength, leaving him a weak, normal boy... And then, under the guise of Ben Reily, he'd turn into the blonde version of Peter, determined to take MJ, and replace him as Teacher's favorite, and all of that...

And then peter goes to Doc Conners to get his powers back, turning him into Man-Spider, and then eventually, back to normal...

Another thought is that it would be fantastic if the Neurotic Norman Osborn actually helped make Peter back to who he was... because he wants his "boy" to be the super-powered entity he was meant to be or something... Then spiderman comes back, takes back his old life, and shows everyone what ben really is... So ben goes on a rampage... Killing and Killing and Killing...

And there's Maximum Carnage for you.
 
Dr.Strangefate said:
I'm still expecting the Clone of Peter Parker to be Carnage... I don't think that it needs a host, what it needs is the life force of other people, and that makes it more human... It was already convinced it was Peter in the Carnage Arc, I'm curious to see what would push it to really become Human(ish)...

Wouldn't it be interesting if it did Fury's job for him, and literally absorbed all of Peter's abilities and strength, leaving him a weak, normal boy... And then, under the guise of Ben Reily, he'd turn into the blonde version of Peter, determined to take MJ, and replace him as Teacher's favorite, and all of that...

And then peter goes to Doc Conners to get his powers back, turning him into Man-Spider, and then eventually, back to normal...

Another thought is that it would be fantastic if the Neurotic Norman Osborn actually helped make Peter back to who he was... because he wants his "boy" to be the super-powered entity he was meant to be or something... Then spiderman comes back, takes back his old life, and shows everyone what ben really is... So ben goes on a rampage... Killing and Killing and Killing...

And there's Maximum Carnage for you.
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But if Carnage becomes it's own entiety, I.E. A clone of Peter and takes over his life. . .How does the real Ben Reily fit into this? I mean, he DID steal "Carnage" at the end of the Carnage arc.
 
If your going to have Carnage you need Kassidy. If your going to have a clone Peter then you need Ben Reily. They can make this work somehow. Like Ben is researching the Spider-Man DNA and Carnage suit and there's an accident that gives him some kind of spider powers. And the suit escapes finding Kassidy and becomes Carnage. Then Ben and Peter teamup to fight Carnage.
 
thee great one said:
If your going to have Carnage you need Kassidy. If your going to have a clone Peter then you need Ben Reily. They can make this work somehow. Like Ben is researching the Spider-Man DNA and Carnage suit and there's an accident that gives him some kind of spider powers. And the suit escapes finding Kassidy and becomes Carnage. Then Ben and Peter teamup to fight Carnage.
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Trying too hard to integrate the classic Carnage into this is going to ruin it...

But i don't think that will happen, Bendis considered Carnage to be one of the most expendable characters in the 616 universe... He's not going to make his carnage just a duplicate...

And Ultimate Carnage wasn't Symbiotic, it was Parasytic, so Its not going to all of a sudden need a host...

Kletus Cassidy should be introduced as simply a cold-blooded murderer, no super powers, simply a maniac who goes on a Serial Killing rampage. That would be a lot scarier anyways... and totally new for USP

And for Ben Reily, I'd guess the Parasitic creature would take his adoptive father's name in his attempt to replace Peter... The adult Ben isn't going to become the Scarlet Spider.
 
Spade said:
i think the clone saga should be a mini USM has only relly had one mini so far and it sikens me!!
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that's a very cool thought, actually. I don't know that the clone saga could ever be big enough to overlap into a mini-series, but we need more USM minis. :) This time, though, we'll need to see him with the Fantastic Four or the X-Men... The Ultimates need a break from all of the mini-series we have.
 
Goodwill said:
that's a very cool thought, actually. I don't know that the clone saga could ever be big enough to overlap into a mini-series, but we need more USM minis. :) This time, though, we'll need to see him with the Fantastic Four or the X-Men... The Ultimates need a break from all of the mini-series we have.
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Yeah well, they onlly get a series every year so everyone's ultimtes craves need to be settled with something.
 
Goodwill said:
I don't know that the clone saga could ever be big enough to overlap into a mini-series, but we need more USM minis. :) This time, though, we'll need to see him with the Fantastic Four or the X-Men... The Ultimates need a break from all of the mini-series we have.
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I agree. we need some big story that reveals something big. Some thing that shakes Peter,or Mary jane, or even Aunt May.
 
Goodwill said:
This time, though, we'll need to see him with the Fantastic Four or the X-Men.
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There needs to be a very good reason for it, though, whether it's thematic, or narrative, or historical.

Spidey has nobody in his rogues gallery that would merit the grandiose pseudo-science necessary to merit a full-blown USM/UFF mini-series. Well, the Clone Saga, maybe? Or establish a link between the Baxter Insitute and Peter's parents? (Nah, sounds too Harry Potter-esque.)

With UXM, at least you have the pre-exisitng connection with Kitty, but again, it will take more then just her good vibes with Peter to justify a whole mini-series.
 
I thought Torch was appearing in the game and he was in All-Stars? So there is a relationship between those two.

As for villains. Beauty of ultimizations baby. Mad Thinker was probably the most threatening UFF villain yet. Did you expect that based on the 616 character?
 
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