Ultimate X-Men Annual #1 Discussion (Spoilers)

How would you rate this issue?

  • *****

    Votes: 6 14.0%

  • ****

    Votes: 19 44.2%

  • ***

    Votes: 12 27.9%

  • **

    Votes: 3 7.0%

  • *

    Votes: 3 7.0%
  • Total voters
    43
If he isn't, unless they're going to rewrite Rogue's powers further from their 616 incarnation, he's now effectively a Homo sapiens. Or the powers would already be fading to be returned to him, no? Even if he did survive, unless Marvel picks some screwball writer who does a Sage-like character who can jumpstart him or some other junk, I doubt we'd see him again.
 
jtg3885 said:
If he isn't, unless they're going to rewrite Rogue's powers further from their 616 incarnation, he's now effectively a Homo sapiens. Or the powers would already be fading to be returned to him, no? Even if he did survive, unless Marvel picks some screwball writer who does a Sage-like character who can jumpstart him or some other junk, I doubt we'd see him again.
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I think there was too much in that ending to assume he won't be coming back.
 
A few things:

- Gambit's body is dead. Boo hoo (or something).
- Rogue has his mind in her head. Mind transfer needed? Ultimate Spider-Man 66-67 gives a hint maybe? *From the speakers* "Calling dr Grey" :wink: :D (What?! Something good has to come out of those stupid issues)
- If the crystal gives enchanted power by touch I see no problem with that. OK many people have touched the crystal before but how many of them has been mutants (besides the Fenris twins of course) :wink:
 
Ultimate Warrior said:
A few things:

- Gambit's body is dead. Boo hoo (or something).
- Rogue has his mind in her head. Mind transfer needed? Ultimate Spider-Man 66-67 gives a hint maybe? *From the speakers* "Calling dr Grey" :wink: :D (What?! Something good has to come out of those stupid issues)
- If the crystal gives enchanted power by touch I see no problem with that. OK many people have touched the crystal before but how many of them has been mutants (besides the Fenris twins of course) :wink:
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Maybe since the crystal was charged up by Gambit that was what led to it having magic properties, or at least unlocking them somehow.
 
jtg3885 said:
If he isn't, unless they're going to rewrite Rogue's powers further from their 616 incarnation, he's now effectively a Homo sapiens. Or the powers would already be fading to be returned to him, no? Even if he did survive, unless Marvel picks some screwball writer who does a Sage-like character who can jumpstart him or some other junk, I doubt we'd see him again.
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So far every indication I've seen of Rogue's powers shows that she doesn't steal powers so much as share them. At least in the ultimate verse. Gambit's red eyes stayed, (though physical effects usually do,) and Juggernaut stayed unstoppable while being absorbed. Also, her Gambit powers were very sporadic after she absorbed them, which may mean that she didn't fully absorb them. Who knows?
 
Finally read this issue.

All good thoughts by you guys, but I don't think the gem didn't something to Gambit. If it did it was transferred to Rogue when she kissed him. Maybe the gem has now permanetly effected Rogue's powers (power boost just like Juggernaut).

I too thought the death seemed forced. Why did Gambit say "bonne nuit" to Rogue anyways? I guess he wanted to die. :?: I'm not particulary sad that he is gone now though. Looks like everyone feels that way here.

Overall 4/5.
 
icemastertron said:
Not everyone. There are those who dont feel the same as you.
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Not having read all the recent posts, I'm going to run the risk of repeating someone else:

It occurs to me that what this is is a set up for an arc with Doc Strange (Yes, yes, him again). He was the one who sent them after that gem in the first place and it stands to reason that he may be aware of it having been destroyed and even the plight that Rogue is in. Not wanting to dig out the issue this evening, was it ever said what that gem was supposed to do? It is possible that Gambit knew (somehow, I'm not going to say how) that he would be able to survive that building collapsing because of the gem. What we may be looking at is the beginning of an arc that may end up looking something like Star Trek 3: Search For Spock...Which makes this issue The Wrath of Juggies...
 
notTHATtodd said:
Not having read all the recent posts, I'm going to run the risk of repeating someone else:

It occurs to me that what this is is a set up for an arc with Doc Strange (Yes, yes, him again). He was the one who sent them after that gem in the first place and it stands to reason that he may be aware of it having been destroyed and even the plight that Rogue is in. Not wanting to dig out the issue this evening, was it ever said what that gem was supposed to do? It is possible that Gambit knew (somehow, I'm not going to say how) that he would be able to survive that building collapsing because of the gem. What we may be looking at is the beginning of an arc that may end up looking something like Star Trek 3: Search For Spock...Which makes this issue The Wrath of Juggies...
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I was partying... I won't lie.... I'm gonna stop right now after all I have read is the first few lines. Vaughan is a genius writer and if he ever tied Rogue/Gambit in with Doc Strange to find that gem, it would be brilliant. Awesome Idea.
 
I thought this was an awful issue.

Firstly, Gambit's "sacrifice" wasn't a sacrifice. Instead it seemed like his plan, to drop a building on Juggy succeeded, but Gambit couldn't be bothered to actually try to get away from the impending wreckage. Wouldn't it have been cooler if Gambit throws the cards at Juggy, misses, Juggy laughs so hard he has tears running down his cheeks, opens his eyes only to see Gambit running away, and then holds his sides as he laughs and laughs... and then the building lands on him. I don't see why Gambit had to stand around waiting to be crushed. And he did. He had time to stand there, look up at what he was doing, smile, and say "Bonne Nuit". Why didn't he just peg it and captapult himself with his staff as he did earlier? Stupid, stupid death. Actually worse than Beast's death, and that was pointless. Plus, I don't buy that the building would take out this new and improved Juggernaut for long anyway.

Secondly, Gambit's reveleation that magic is real would have been a nice touch if it was convincing. This revelation occurred because the gem did something. Sadly, all it seemed to do was give Juggernaut a rush and make him lose his shoes. While the gem disappeared into his chest (and I didn't realise Gambit was throwing the gem at Juggernaut at first, I mean, why was he throwing it at him? Why not a piece of sharp rubble from all around him? That's what I thought he was throwing in the first place.) it didn't really seem to make any sense beyond, "In 616 Juggernaut has this gem." But as I say, it's effects were hardly so profound as to make Gambit change the way he sees the world.

Thirdly, this was just a dull, dull, sequence of events. We start with Rogue already completing the thievery of a highly protected mystical gem from a Las Vegas casino. Why didn't we actually see this robbery? That would've been wonderful to see those two in their element actually performing the robbery and just as they're getting their **** together to steal the gem, Juggernaut enters the scene (either for Rogue, or for the gem, which would give Rogue another way of knowing of the gem's importance). Now you've got Gambit and Rogue not only fighting Juggernaut, but the casino and Fenris goons who want the gem back in the ruined strip of Las Vegas, and with Juggernaut wanting Rogue or the Gem, you've got a great way to show us that he truly is unstoppable.

Instead we got Gambit patting Rogue on the back for stealing a gem in an off-panel robbery, only to be confronted by Juggernaut who spends most his time talking, gets hit by The Plot Device of Cyttorak, says he's powerful but doesn't seem to change, and then Gambit kills himself and Juggernaut.

And then Rogue becomes Gambit.

Blech.

That said, I did like Gambit blowing up Juggernaut's helmet. And I also liked the way Vaughan wrote the characters.

The story was bollocks though.
 
Bass said:
Firstly, Gambit's "sacrifice" wasn't a sacrifice. Instead it seemed like his plan, to drop a building on Juggy succeeded, but Gambit couldn't be bothered to actually try to get away from the impending wreckage. Wouldn't it have been cooler if Gambit throws the cards at Juggy, misses, Juggy laughs so hard he has tears running down his cheeks, opens his eyes only to see Gambit running away, and then holds his sides as he laughs and laughs... and then the building lands on him. I don't see why Gambit had to stand around waiting to be crushed. And he did. He had time to stand there, look up at what he was doing, smile, and say "Bonne Nuit". Why didn't he just peg it and captapult himself with his staff as he did earlier? Stupid, stupid death. Actually worse than Beast's death, and that was pointless. Plus, I don't buy that the building would take out this new and improved Juggernaut for long anyway.
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That would have been waaaaaaay better.
 
Bass said:
I thought this was an awful issue.

Firstly, Gambit's "sacrifice" wasn't a sacrifice. Instead it seemed like his plan, to drop a building on Juggy succeeded, but Gambit couldn't be bothered to actually try to get away from the impending wreckage. Wouldn't it have been cooler if Gambit throws the cards at Juggy, misses, Juggy laughs so hard he has tears running down his cheeks, opens his eyes only to see Gambit running away, and then holds his sides as he laughs and laughs... and then the building lands on him. I don't see why Gambit had to stand around waiting to be crushed. And he did. He had time to stand there, look up at what he was doing, smile, and say "Bonne Nuit". Why didn't he just peg it and captapult himself with his staff as he did earlier? Stupid, stupid death. Actually worse than Beast's death, and that was pointless. Plus, I don't buy that the building would take out this new and improved Juggernaut for long anyway.

Secondly, Gambit's reveleation that magic is real would have been a nice touch if it was convincing. This revelation occurred because the gem did something. Sadly, all it seemed to do was give Juggernaut a rush and make him lose his shoes. While the gem disappeared into his chest (and I didn't realise Gambit was throwing the gem at Juggernaut at first, I mean, why was he throwing it at him? Why not a piece of sharp rubble from all around him? That's what I thought he was throwing in the first place.) it didn't really seem to make any sense beyond, "In 616 Juggernaut has this gem." But as I say, it's effects were hardly so profound as to make Gambit change the way he sees the world.

Thirdly, this was just a dull, dull, sequence of events. We start with Rogue already completing the thievery of a highly protected mystical gem from a Las Vegas casino. Why didn't we actually see this robbery? That would've been wonderful to see those two in their element actually performing the robbery and just as they're getting their **** together to steal the gem, Juggernaut enters the scene (either for Rogue, or for the gem, which would give Rogue another way of knowing of the gem's importance). Now you've got Gambit and Rogue not only fighting Juggernaut, but the casino and Fenris goons who want the gem back in the ruined strip of Las Vegas, and with Juggernaut wanting Rogue or the Gem, you've got a great way to show us that he truly is unstoppable.

Instead we got Gambit patting Rogue on the back for stealing a gem in an off-panel robbery, only to be confronted by Juggernaut who spends most his time talking, gets hit by The Plot Device of Cyttorak, says he's powerful but doesn't seem to change, and then Gambit kills himself and Juggernaut.

And then Rogue becomes Gambit.

Blech.

That said, I did like Gambit blowing up Juggernaut's helmet. And I also liked the way Vaughan wrote the characters.

The story was bollocks though.
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Good points. I still liked it, but the poinlessness of Gambit's death did bug me.
 
I really don't get the bonne nuit thing. Good night? WTF? I would like an arc with Strange though I don't remember them being sent for them gem by him. Gambit mentions him but says nothing about being hired for it. Honestly though, I may be a little thick, but I noticed today a few things and think that Gambit did sacrifice himself, but not because he had no choice but to go out with Juggernaut. I think that he feels that he was holding her back from her destiny with the X-Men, and decided to take the fall for her. This based on his earlier concerns about her life being a string of heists and being taken away from the X-men.

Whaddya think? Point?
 
SephirothsKiller said:
I really don't get the bonne nuit thing. Good night? WTF? I would like an arc with Strange though I don't remember them being sent for them gem by him. Gambit mentions him but says nothing about being hired for it. Honestly though, I may be a little thick, but I noticed today a few things and think that Gambit did sacrifice himself, but not because he had no choice but to go out with Juggernaut. I think that he feels that he was holding her back from her destiny with the X-Men, and decided to take the fall for her. This based on his earlier concerns about her life being a string of heists and being taken away from the X-men.

Whaddya think? Point?
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could be, perhaps since he's now "sharing" Rogue's mind he'll explain his sacrifice that way. Makes MUCH more sense than him needlessly dying.
 
Bass said:
Firstly, Gambit's "sacrifice" wasn't a sacrifice. Instead it seemed like his plan, to drop a building on Juggy succeeded, but Gambit couldn't be bothered to actually try to get away from the impending wreckage. Wouldn't it have been cooler if Gambit throws the cards at Juggy, misses, Juggy laughs so hard he has tears running down his cheeks, opens his eyes only to see Gambit running away, and then holds his sides as he laughs and laughs... and then the building lands on him. I don't see why Gambit had to stand around waiting to be crushed. And he did. He had time to stand there, look up at what he was doing, smile, and say "Bonne Nuit". Why didn't he just peg it and captapult himself with his staff as he did earlier? Stupid, stupid death. Actually worse than Beast's death, and that was pointless. Plus, I don't buy that the building would take out this new and improved Juggernaut for long anyway.
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This is why I a) don't think it was a suicide act and b) don't think Gambit's dead.
 
iceman said:
haha! sweet! i hate gambit and his little fan club!

"wee wee. people love me, despite i am le cliche! i am so smooth, and people can think of a way for me to be everyone with my powers, a-huh-huh-huh! oh no, i'm dead!"
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Post of the day.
 
iceman said:
"wee wee. people love me, despite i am le cliche! i am so smooth, and people can think of a way for me to be everyone with my powers, a-huh-huh-huh! oh no, i'm dead!"
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I'm gonna have to agree with GMaster. This was very funny. Was there a hint of Will Farrell from Wedding Crashers in that?

Will Farrell said:
Met her at a funeral. Her boyfriend died in a hang gliding accident. What a ****ing idiot! I mean what a loser! I mean can you imagine. *Begins impersonation* Hey look at me I'm hang-gliding! Hey, honey, take a picture I'm hang-gliding! AHHHHHHHH, oh no, I'm dead. What a ****ing idiot!
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