Ultimate X-Men #75 Discussion (Spoilers)

I liked this. The art was great, and the writing was alright. Cable's pretty cool, I just hope he's not Wolverine's brother's clone, or Xorn.

It was better than Ultimate Power.
 
ProjectX2 said:
I liked this. The art was great, and the writing was alright. Cable's pretty cool, I just hope he's not Wolverine's brother's clone, or Xorn.
It was better than Ultimate Power.
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I just love that image
 
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3.75/5 - a pleasant surprise. I was not expecting to like this seeing as how I couldn't give two ****s about Cable, but the intro was interesting, at the very least. I'm interested to see where Kirkman goes with it (and I like the genetic soup idea).

I wish I didn't have to suffer through Mark Brooks in the backup story, but at least it was short and the story was decent.
 
I know that the Ultimates Universe had a very different take on origins but damn. They have better had a good explanation on why and how Cable got claws and healing factor.
 
TheManWithoutFear said:
I didn't forget. And I'm not impressed with that assumption. Cable better not have any ties to Wolverine.
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Plus I'm pretty sure Kirkman wrote the "stolen tissue"thing before he knew he was doing the Cable arc (its in Date Night 3 I think?). I doubt the two events are related, but its possible.
 
watch, Ultimate Cable is going to turn out to be his son from the future and he doesnt have a healing factor because of his mother (which is more than likely to be Jean Grey or Storm). and Ulitmate Power was the best issue to come out this week. hands down
 
Seraphim58 said:
watch, Ultimate Cable is going to turn out to be his son from the future and he doesnt have a healing factor because of his mother (which is more than likely to be Jean Grey or Storm). and Ulitmate Power was the best issue to come out this week. hands down
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...we need to get you on some medication boy. First I'm going to channel Bass and tell you that Ultiamte Power was total crap. We had the FF battle a group of impossible proportioned women (with signature Land Pornstar facial expressions) untill The Thing gets hurt, allowing us to pull out that old chestnut of a plot device of Reed messing up to fix Ben. Its not even a clever adaptation of said plot device. Then we have a flashback to a bad line from Bendis's run (yeah, took ya this long to **** me, I'll let you have an equal amont to fix me), then a splash page of the squadron supreme. If you've never read Supreme Power (and I'm guessing most people buying this haven't it does no where near Ultiamte Level sales) then you've got no idea who these people are, and no hook to keep you on for the next issue. We should ahve had atleast SOME interaction with the teams in this. Not just a poorly paced cliffhanger.

As for the Wolverine bit, right now from a story pospective we're supposed to believe that this is Wolverine. So far the ONLY speculation that I've seen with any base is FoolsFoly's clone crap (no slight inteded at you, I'm just not a fan of the idea, but atleast you have some forshadowing to back your theory up.) otherwise you're just shooting in the dark, like saying that its his son. What, did he cut dead old Dad open and steal his claws? Maybe add a mechanism under the skin to allow popping? How about the Healing Factor line? As we've seen from Mutant Offspring the potential for powers is inherited, but not the specifics. We have a super speedster and a pobability alterer sired by a Magnetic man, the abilities aren't even close. Or Xaviers son who manipulates levels of subatomic particles to effectivly control the physicality around him (only way i can figure Proteus's powers out...), a far cry from a high level telepath. Theres just no merit in the idea with what we've been presented with in the Ultimate Universe.
 
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I noticed that MJ and at the end it says "Wolverine vs...himself?" NO! Their faces are different and Cable's taller. How did that happen in the future to Wolverine?

And my clone idea is just my best bet. I would rather perfer the man of mystery thing myself, but Kirkman's said he wants this universe different from the 616 universe. And the position of the Date Night ending and Cable showing up, with claws, seems to say something about Weapon X which is currently on their way to make Ultimate X-23. I don't think it's too much of a jump to say that Kirkman's going to mix the two together to make Ultimate X-23 to be Ultimate Cable.

BUT I also know this is the first issue. We know Bishop plays into this somehow and there's a LOT of time to ruin the whole clone theory rather soundly.
 
Alright here's a new theory and it requires another theory to work. What's the other theory? That Nick Fury's a bad guy.

Notice the dampener Cable puts on Storm, it's the same as the dampener Fury sent to Xavier for Jean. This could mean nothing, like how the US Army uses a M4 rifle doesn't mean everyone that's seen holding an M4 is a US soldier. But it could be a small hint that Cable works for SHIELD. Also, in the future Fury might not lead SHIELD and thusly not need the theory of Fury being a bad guy to work.

It has a lot of holes in it, but it's something else to consider.
 
hm.... I think it's pretty unlikely that Cable is Wolverine. To start with, like FF said, Cable is taller, and his facial structure is significantly different. Add to that the fact that he has those claw marks across his face. Unless he cut himself shaving with his claws, or there's a bunch of Wolverine clones running willy-nilly in the future, I think it's safe to say that Ole Mr. Howlett did that to him. I guess it's possible Sabretooth did it to him, but Sabes has four claws instead of three, right?

And the "son" theory seems even more ludicrous to me. It's not like Wolverine was born with the claws. They were installed by Weapon X, so it's not like his son is going to inherit the claws by being Wolvie's son.

The clone theory works. But I dread that's the case.

If I were going to make a wager, I'd guess that Cable comes from some sort of future where the X-Men had a huge impact on the world, for good or bad. The comment "I've gone thirty years without a healing factor to make me better than you could ever hope to be" makes it sound like Cable consciously denied himself a healing factor. If you can just heal yourself after any sort of battle, it's going to make you a sloppy combatant. But if you have to rely fully on skill, it's going to make you that much better of a warrior. I don't think they're related, honestly. I think something very bad happened in Cable's future.... I think he got the claw marks from the future version of Wolverine. And I think he denied himself the healing factor and got the claws attached so that he can prove to Wolverine that he's better than the X-Man could ever be.

What gets me is the fact that he speaks to Jean like he personally knows her and sympathizes with her. I think, chances are, he knows her in the future, and in this future, she's realized the mistakes that Xavier (and Wolverine?) made, and disowned herself from that little family.

Either way, I think Cable's just a dude from a twisted future, who wants to prevent his future from happening, and has a hard-on for proving he's better than Wolverine.
 
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Zombipanda said:
To start with, like FF said, Cable is taller,
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I think you meant MJ. Jerk.
And the "son" theory seems even more ludicrous to me. It's not like Wolverine was born with the claws. They were installed by Weapon X, so it's not like his son is going to inherit the claws by being Wolvie's son.
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?.. Why do you say Wolverine wasn't born with the claws? In 616, he was born with the claws, and IIRC nothing has been said about that in the UU.
What gets me is the fact that he speaks to Jean like he personally knows her and sympathizes with her. I think, chances are, he knows her in the future,
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Exactly. Why would Cable have spoken with such familiarity if he doesn;t at least know the future X men?
 
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Exactly. Why would Cable have spoken with such familiarity if he doesn;t at least know the future X men?
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I thought the three claw marks on his face, and calling Kitty "Shadowcat" showed he knew them in the future.

I can't wait until Bishop shows up to stop Cable. I think Kirkman might pull a Longshot on us and make Bishop the villain and whatever Cable's here to do (apparently kill Xavier) is for the general good of the world.
 
Foolsfolly said:
I thought the three claw marks on his face, and calling Kitty "Shadowcat" showed he knew them in the future.
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Wouldn't him calling her "Kitty" mean he knew her on a personal level?

I'm not knocking it guys but I really didn't pick up any personal intimacy between predator and prey here.

I think you guys are scratching.
 
But he does. Look at his reactions to Jean, why else would Kirkman spend 3 panels of Cable just LOOKING at Jean unless that's a set up for a relationship that Cable has/had with them.

Maybe Jean Pheonix's out later and she dies like in 616 and Cable's in awe that he sees her again.

But Cable knows at least some of them personally, and clearly knows of them.
 
TheManWithoutFear said:
Wouldn't him calling her "Kitty" mean he knew her on a personal level?

I'm not knocking it guys but I really didn't pick up any personal intimacy between predator and prey here.

I think you guys are scratching.
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I actually agree completely that he doesn't know Kitty. He's familiar with who she is, but the way he responded to her was like someone he knows of, but doesn't know.

Jean's another matter entirely. I think it's pretty clear that there is some sort of relationship there, that he does know her.

And there's the clear insinuation that he's got a serious chip on his shoulder for Wolverine. He may have a mission to kill Xavier, but he has a grudge against Wolverine.
 
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