TheManWithoutFear
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I think some people, like myself, have been too slow to judge the book. I've been patient with Bendis for a while waiting for the book to get back on track.
Ultimate Spiderman #102 discussion (Spoilers)
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Ultimate MJ
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Fair enough. I'm relatively new to USM, and I havent read Silver Sable or Deadpool. So I remain cautiously optimistic. The Clone Saga definetly has potential to be awful.
Victor Von Doom
Fist of teh Internets.
That there is the "be all---end all" answer to this whole "Why Hate USM?" arguement.
I mean I thought he jumped the shark before.......but DAMN!
No. It's just like MWoF said. The fans have been patient. The book has been way below lackluster for going on 2 years now. That's 24(+) issues. 24 issues of utter worthless stories.
Now I'll admit that for each arc---there's been a few shining issues. But just like in any sport---a few good plays don't make a great season. All they do is make for a nice highlight reel to watch while sitting on your couch watching the other team go onto the championship. So a few solid issues are nice....but when the overall arc is bad---those few good arc don't really matter.
I swear to God.......if that ever happened---E would ban any and all Spiderman related talk on this board. And that's the bare minimum. He might just shut the site down. :lol:
See......even then---there's bad arc before that. Carnage sucked, Hobgoblin sucked, Superstars was mediocre. The list goes on. The book started going downhill ever since the end of Venom.
But what a lot of you newer fans to USM fail to realize is that the hate for this book/Bendis stems not from stupid USM stories. Stupid stories are just a part of the comic world. We all accept them. The hate stems from the fact that Bendis is capable of SOOOOOO much better.
Read his "Alias" series. Read his run on "Daredevil". Those were all STELLAR works of Bendis. His early run on USM was great.
But now it's not even like he's phoning it in.........it's like he's texting the scripts to Bags and Joe Q on his RAZR. :roll:
It's the same disappointment a parent/teacher gets from seeing a really gifted child not fulfill his potential and practically fail a class. The kid could be a MENSA nominee......but he doesn't do his homework or any class projects and merely skates by on just getting A's on his tests. It's the "D's Get Degrees" mentality.
omega234
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E said:
So. what? It's not some sacred violation of all that's holy. I find it far more interesting that MJ is not safe from Peter's life rather than vice versa.
ProjectX2 said:
Things you don't do or things you just do not want to see?
Victor Von Doom said:
Some of you guys were hating and/or complaining about USM long before that ever happened.
Hibiki
Really is pretentious, no matter what she says. Do
I think Doom explained why we're all hating usm, which after skimming through Alias, I could see his point. Bendis' sentry was crappy. Sentry came out strong, had a bumpy road and now he's just kinda iffy. i liked his issue but it was no luke cage. I liked iron Mans' issue more. Point being, he has potential to be a really solid writer like Vaughn or Brubaker and right now, isn't really showing it. As much as I also liked ultimate power, the ending was subpar. So i think people are more disappointed that they're not seeing him exactly shine like the Mr. Clean that he is
gliderpilotgirl
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Ironically, does anyone know what happened 24ish issues ago? That's right, the break-up. And the "death" of the supporting cast. We seldom see them anymore. It's like right after that arc Peter shoved his entire Peter Parker life away, and all that's followed are these mediocre stories.
bingo. I wouldn't call it hate on my part, as I still like Bendis a great deal, and have tremendous faith in his writing ability, but annoyance at his recent stories. I'm sure that because he can see where's it going, it doesn't look so bad, but we can't. His earlier USM was way stronger.
darkspider
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well, it seems that ultimate power 2 might solve the whole kitty mj thing.....damn bendis.
gliderpilotgirl
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? what is going on there?
edit: ok seen. Crap. Here's hoping Ultimate Power is before the Clone Saga. I hate Kitty Pryde.
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TheManWithoutFear
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Pretty sure it is.
Lynx
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Her being safe and her becoming a character from Peter's Rogues Gallery are two vastly different things, or did you not read Legacy where MJ was thrown off a bridge? She wasn't safe then, they had to make her Demogoblin to prove she wasn't safe?
gliderpilotgirl
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Here's hoping. Besides, with all his secrecy, I wouldn't think Bendis would give the ending to the thing the fans care about most away. And what about the goings on of UXM? it looks like Kitty shouldn't be in an X-men uniform if it's the future.
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But then again, Ultimate Power is supposed to be between Ultimates 3 and Ultimates 4, and if it takes place before Clone Saga, it screws continuity up again.
gliderpilotgirl
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it's supposed to be that far in the future? I refuse to believe that Spidey and Kitty are an still an item when they are 18-19. and that she hasn't picked a superheroine name by then.
Hibiki
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Then you have a small imagination. Not like Bendis, *sings* where anything can happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'm saying it really really loud.
TwilightEL
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Come on, guys! It's a BENDIS comic! What were you expecting?
Someone needs to create a hierarchy of canon for the Ultimate Universe--you know, saying which comic you should pay attention to if two comics contradict. Main series top miniseries, things not written by Bendis top things written by Bendis, that sort of thing.
Someone needs to create a hierarchy of canon for the Ultimate Universe--you know, saying which comic you should pay attention to if two comics contradict. Main series top miniseries, things not written by Bendis top things written by Bendis, that sort of thing.
gliderpilotgirl
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LOl..well I'd say pay attention to USM first of all..it's teh only one with a seemingly set continuity and references to time. I'm just going to say screw Ultimate Power. It's clearly not meant to fit into any continuity, and it's blatantly using Kitty/Spidey to cash in on their relationship's popularity.
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Didn't **** any of those *****es
We're no saying things like, "there There are things you don't do in comics." because we think MJ is sacred, its because turning her into a wolf man is just stupid, see we complain about this so much is because we care about the series, we enjoy it and we don't want to see it go to crap. We see MJ as a great supporting character, her personality compliments Peter's well. She was the only person to really be grounding him in his real life, which was one of the best parts of this seires and one we have seen next to nothing for the past 30 issues. And turning her into the wolf-man just ruined the best aspects of her character. And some people say it will play out well in the end oh like when he killed Gwen another really great supporting character, that was a partial ultimization of one of the most pivitol moments in the Spider-man mythology and the fall out was terrible and the rest of the series went downhill. And in 616 it didnt have any scifi mutations, just a madman and a bridge. Not a defective clone turning MJ into the wolfman (god that sounds soo retarded). The point is we complain cause we are upset, with like this series, it was truely great, it personally got me really into comics and we hate to see it become crap.
Gemini
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i think that ultimate powers place should be between Ultimates vol 2 & 3, allowing the clone saga to jump ahead of ultimates vol 2 and not **** up continuity so bad
stick with me on this
spider-woman was said to be Phase 5 of the project, three of the other five phases have been seen (phase one probably being tarantula, phase 2 scorpion, phase 3 kaine), assuming the stacy project was a seperate project, what could be phase 4?, spider-girl was mentioned in that article with bendis, but then none of them could really be confused with peter as it was said in the above article, could it be! no way, ultimate scarlet spider! as in a perfect clone of peter, because phases 1-3 were incomplete, phase 4 must've been a perfect copy allowing them to tamper with the chromozome's to make phase 5
i may just be so desperate to see an ultimate scarlet spider that i am readin to much into that line but you never know!
i wonder what that could mean:
stick with me on this
spider-woman was said to be Phase 5 of the project, three of the other five phases have been seen (phase one probably being tarantula, phase 2 scorpion, phase 3 kaine), assuming the stacy project was a seperate project, what could be phase 4?, spider-girl was mentioned in that article with bendis, but then none of them could really be confused with peter as it was said in the above article, could it be! no way, ultimate scarlet spider! as in a perfect clone of peter, because phases 1-3 were incomplete, phase 4 must've been a perfect copy allowing them to tamper with the chromozome's to make phase 5
i may just be so desperate to see an ultimate scarlet spider that i am readin to much into that line but you never know!
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Lil Brother
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Darn it, gemini. I wanted to say that, but I kept forgetting about it! XD
A likely idea is Carnage I being Phase 1, though. It would make sense...
A likely idea is Carnage I being Phase 1, though. It would make sense...
gliderpilotgirl
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"the monsters unleashed during the arc" ..Gwen and MJ. That just makes me angry to hear them referred to as so. As I totally want to see the "perfect" male clone too. That would solve the Kitty/MJ mess...two Peters! lol
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