Ultimate Power series discussion [spoilers]

Re: Ultimate Power #8 discussion (spoilers)

I can't believe #9 is supposed to be a 'climax'.

This whole mini is two super hero teams punching the crap out of each other for virtually no reason. What is it with the big two? Why do they have good guys fighting each other? Y'know what? I've found in my short time on this planet that people who spend their time helping others don't, generally, punch the **** out of someone. Even when they have an excuse. But these superheroes - they just kick the crap out of each other in escalating violence that makes no sense in their world or to their characters. It's ****ing retarded. And what's worse is that this was marketed with the idea it wasn't just going to be a punch up. But it is.

#9 seems to be Squadron Supreme vs Supreme Power vs Ultimates vs Ultimate Fantastic Four vs Ultimate X-Men vs Ultimate Hulk vs Ultimate Spider-Man vs Ultimate Doom.

And why? Because some people in an alternate world died because of Reed because of Doom because of Fury and no one knows what exactly is going on because they're punching the **** out of each other instead of finding out what's going on.

What drives me crazy is that why didn't they just do this from the Supreme Power guys POV? Imagine, out of nowhere, a probe shows up and decimates their population. Emil Menace man or whatever his name is tries to solve the puzzle - an alien probe could mean anything. Maybe Hyperion's race did it? The US military starts taking steps to neutralize him if they need to. Hyperion is worried that might be true. Then, Emil, using Intertia's help, discovers that it comes from an alternate universe. An alternate universe. And he follows the data stream to get information - and all he gets is a picture of some 20-year old kid in a jumpsuit. No one believes him. They think he's gone crazy (it was bound to happen) and the Supreme world, it's populace culled, starts becoming chaotic as one group blames another, tries to take their land, etc. Seeing their world falling apart, Hyperion and the rest decide the only way to save the world is to give them those responsible so that they can unite and rebuild. And so, Emil generates a way for them to go into the alternate universe. And as they go, we see the picture of who's responsible - Reed Richards...

Then we can have 8 issues of punching.
 
Re: Ultimate Power #8 discussion (spoilers)

Bass, your story idea requires exposition

And we all know the populace doesn't want that, they want PUNCHING!

Drawn by a porn tracer
 
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I bet you the meeting for this series went like this:

Bendis: "So - and I'm asking this - So, who does the exposition for this mini?"

Straczynski: "I wrote BABYLON 5."

Bendis: "I - I (sorry) - But I'm trying to understand why you would say that."

Staczynski: "It was a pretty damn good show."

Loeb: "It was a pretty damn good show."

Bendis: "Okay."

Loeb: "Okay."

Staczynski: "I'm not writing the exposition because I really hate doing it. Plus, I'm really busy with lots of huge career moves. And you know, [lecturing monologue ensues]."

Bendis: "I understand - that is I'm telling you, unless we get this sorted, one of us has to do exposition."

Loeb: "One of us has to do exposition."

Bendis: "Now Joe, (you don't mind if I call you Joe?) I'm going to assume you're too busy to do the exposition. I - I don't want to because I've been writing MIGHTY AVENGERS and that has no exposition at all, so I'm rusty and I don't want to mess it up. So that leaves you Loeb. You okay with that?"

Loeb: "I am okay with that."

Bendis: "Okay."

Loeb: "Okay."

Stracyznski: "I'm doing this to prove THE OTHER wrong. Collaborative crossovers of this ilk can succeed."

Loeb: "Collaborative crossovers of this ilk can succeed."

Bendis: "Why - why are you repeating, and I mean everything, everyone says? Are you mocking me?"

Loeb: "No, I was trying out this new way to fill twice as many pages with half as much dialogue. What do you think?"

Straczynski: "I can't hear you, I'm covered in money."

Bendis: "Okay. So, Loeb, you do the exposition, okay?"

Loeb: "Sure. Which issues am I doing?"

Bendis: "The last - let me check - the last three."

Loeb: "So there won't be any exposition until the last three issues?"

Straczynski: "Don't forget you also have to right the mega action climax too. I don't like writing fights either."

Loeb: "Okay."

*brief pause*

Loeb: "Hey, when you were kids did you ever used to play that game where you got a piece of paper and folded it in three, then one person drew a head on the top part of the paper, folded it over so no one could see, then another person drew a body on the middle part, folded it over, and then the last person drew legs on the bottom part, and then you unfolded it and saw what bizarre, mishapen abomination you had created?"

Bendis: "I think (did I ever play that?) I think - yeah - I think I played that."

Straczynski: "I invented the game."

Loeb: "Yeah."

Bendis: "What - and I'm asking you this now - What made you think of that?"

Loeb: "What made me think of that?"


I'm sure that's not what happened. I'm sure they intentionally tried to make a good comic that probably succeeds in more ways than I'm giving it credit.

I'm sure it made them lots of money.

**EXTRA DELETED SCENE**

Loeb: "I've come up with a great idea for the comic: ULTIMATE OR SUPREME. WHICH ARE YOU?"

Straczynski: "That's not an idea. That's a tagline."

Loeb: "... I don't understand the difference."

[Remove due to the ripping off of SOUTH PARK.]

(In all seriousness - I honestly think these three guys tried really hard to do something good, and just the sheer difficulties in organizing them to work together when all three are so well know for working on their own titles without much interference probably scuppered their hopes for a more lucid, dramatic series. I think they really went in with the desire to do something awesome, but the reality of putting it together seems to have neutered the series. Damn shame, really.)
 
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I find it funny how Bendis is the voice of reason, its different that what I usually see on this site
 
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Bass said:
What drives me crazy is that why didn't they just do this from the Supreme Power guys POV? Imagine, out of nowhere, a probe shows up and decimates their population. Emil Menace man or whatever his name is tries to solve the puzzle - an alien probe could mean anything. Maybe Hyperion's race did it? The US military starts taking steps to neutralize him if they need to. Hyperion is worried that might be true. Then, Emil, using Intertia's help, discovers that it comes from an alternate universe. An alternate universe. And he follows the data stream to get information - and all he gets is a picture of some 20-year old kid in a jumpsuit. No one believes him. They think he's gone crazy (it was bound to happen) and the Supreme world, it's populace culled, starts becoming chaotic as one group blames another, tries to take their land, etc. Seeing their world falling apart, Hyperion and the rest decide the only way to save the world is to give them those responsible so that they can unite and rebuild. And so, Emil generates a way for them to go into the alternate universe. And as they go, we see the picture of who's responsible - Reed Richards...

Then we can have 8 issues of punching.
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The only problem with using that POV is that we already know there was going to be a crossover with UU. If they did that in the regular Squadron Supreme series (is it still alive? What the hell happened to that?) and branch it off the Ultimate Power that would come out decently.
 
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Yes, but I still think it'd work as the first issue to the series. Before the issue we'd know it's a crossover, but not why. At the end of the issue, we'd now the premise of the crossover, and the big twist - Reed has killed their world - is revealed at the end as a cliffhanger.

I think it'd work.

I think if it just showed up in SUPREME POWER (which seems to have just disappeared) it would lack the 'legitimacy' of being an 'event' or 'crossover', and if it just started in SUPREME POWER and continued in its own mini it wouldn't really be fair to the people who just want the mini.
 
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I finally read this yesterday. I'm almost ready to drop the timeline myself and I haven't even updated it yet.
 
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Joe Kalicki said:
I finally read this yesterday. I'm almost ready to drop the timeline myself and I haven't even updated it yet.
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This book is destroying comics.
 
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Bass said:
I'm downloading this to see the trainwreck.
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Ice said:
It's a complete trainwreck.

I think the dialogue was the worst part of it all.
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Unfortunately, its unlike a train wreck in the way that you don't want to watch it over and over. Doing so just induced unintentional projectile vomiting.

Fuzzy Birds said:
I had to take multiple showers after reading this one.

I keep scrubbing and scrubbing but.... it just.....won't.... come off......


Gah.
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Thats only because you used it as a masturbatory tool. I told you, just stop getting the results in your hair, and you'll be fine.

Joe Kalicki said:
I finally read this yesterday. I'm almost ready to drop the timeline myself and I haven't even updated it yet.
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You let me know, Joe. I'll take one for the team and pick up the mantle once you've become as disgusted with it as I was towards the end.

I swear, me and the Ultimate timeline had a relationship very much like Whitney Houston and Bobby Brown.

E said:
This book is destroying comics.
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And timelines...everywhere!
 
I finally read this.

This seriously is one of the worst comics ever made. I'm not exaggerating.

This is worse than Ultimate Iron Man. Worse than Mighty Avengers.

I can't think of anything worse that I've ever read.

I had to go back and make sure I really read Thor saying, "You will never best the son of Odin." And Spider-Man saying, "Tell me Aunt May I might be late for dinner."

SRSLY.

The repeating gimmick was not interesting, funny, intriguing, or well done. At all.

Worst. Book. Ever.

0/5

Dancanread said:
After reading this i finally understand how the ultimate universe is going to be "cataclysmically destroyed."
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:lol:
 
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E said:
I had to go back and make sure I really read Thor saying, "You will never best the son of Odin." And Spider-Man saying, "Tell me Aunt May I might be late for dinner."
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See, those two lines I didn't have a problem. It was everything else.

See, those two lines I didn't have a problem. It was everything else.


Especially the part where he had Wolverine respond with, "I'M THE BEST AT WHAT I DO!!!"

Especially the part where he had Wolverine respond with, "I'M THE BEST AT WHAT I DO!!!"


The rest of the dialogue was just so retarded, I can't even think how bad to describe it.

The rest of the dialogue was just so retarded, I can't even think how bad to describe it.
 
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It's stuff like this that makes me want to write hate mail to Marvel and ask them what were they thinking when doing this?

Who proofread it? Who allowed it to go to print? Why wasn't anyone double checking continuity?
 
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E said:
I finally read this.

This seriously is one of the worst comics ever made. I'm not exaggerating.

This is worse than Ultimate Iron Man. Worse than Mighty Avengers.

I can't think of anything worse that I've ever read.

I had to go back and make sure I really read Thor saying, "You will never best the son of Odin." And Spider-Man saying, "Tell me Aunt May I might be late for dinner."

SRSLY.

The repeating gimmick was not interesting, funny, intriguing, or well done. At all.

Worst. Book. Ever.

0/5



:lol:
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Worse than Ultimate Iron Man...? Thats an incredibly bad rating, something that really doesn't even qualify as toilet paper...and one I'm tempted to agree with.

Ice said:
See, those two lines I didn't have a problem. It was everything else.

See, those two lines I didn't have a problem. It was everything else.


Especially the part where he had Wolverine respond with, "I'M THE BEST AT WHAT I DO!!!"

Especially the part where he had Wolverine respond with, "I'M THE BEST AT WHAT I DO!!!"


The rest of the dialogue was just so retarded, I can't even think how bad to describe it.

The rest of the dialogue was just so retarded, I can't even think how bad to describe it.
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:lol:

Awesome!

Victor Von Doom said:
It's stuff like this that makes me want to write hate mail to Marvel and ask them what were they thinking when doing this?

Who proofread it? Who allowed it to go to print? Why wasn't anyone double checking continuity?
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That's what I'm saying!
 
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Victor Von Doom said:
It's stuff like this that makes me want to write hate mail to Marvel and ask them what were they thinking when doing this?

Who proofread it? Who allowed it to go to print? Why wasn't anyone double checking continuity?
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I know. I seriously understand and think the same thing. I just do not understand an editor reading this and considering it acceptable to continue with. Does Loeb not need approval on his scripts because he's Jeph Loeb?

I would almost bet that the scripts on each of these issues is under two pages.

And to think that editors are approving this while they reject Grant Morrison's idea for Ultimate Fantastic Four which was "too ingenious to publish"....it's inconceivable.
 
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Damn. You guys saved me from spending money on this!

Thanks :D
 
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E said:
I know. I seriously understand and think the same thing. I just do not understand an editor reading this and considering it acceptable to continue with. Does Loeb not need approval on his scripts because he's Jeph Loeb?

I would almost bet that the scripts on each of these issues is under two pages.

And to think that editors are approving this while they reject Grant Morrison's idea for Ultimate Fantastic Four which was "too ingenious to publish"....it's inconceivable.
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My biggest gripe with this whole mini is the missed characterization. I mean the only 2 people in this mini that act like their respective Ultimate characters is Fury and Spiderman. And to be honest....how hard is it to write a quip or 2 for Spiderman and some hardcore military rant for Fury?

But there is no reason for Thor to speak like that. At all. Maybe Jeph Loeb has an answer for this in Ultimates3....but for now it just looks absurd.

This mini has no real story. And that's fine. I'm cool with the straight-forward "beat 'em up" pin-up mini. Pretty pictures of pretty people punching each other and posing. Cool....fine. I'm entertained for the 30 seconds it takes to get thru this book.

I'm just mostly appalled by the lack of editing.
 
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E said:
I know. I seriously understand and think the same thing. I just do not understand an editor reading this and considering it acceptable to continue with. Does Loeb not need approval on his scripts because he's Jeph Loeb?

I would almost bet that the scripts on each of these issues is under two pages.

And to think that editors are approving this while they reject Grant Morrison's idea for Ultimate Fantastic Four which was "too ingenious to publish"....it's inconceivable.
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HA!

Ice said:
w00t!

D!B got it. 8)
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I'm quick like that. :sure:
 
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