Pandrio said:
The stories all take place within 9 months as of Hobgoblin. The annual was caught up with the rest of the other titles in 2004. It makes a reference to Hobgoblin as a few weeks ago. Since they all can't take place in 2004, this moves everything up into 2003.
Thanks to Pandrio for unofficially stepping in and answering some of Watchers questions about the timeline. As you may or may not know, due to Hurricane Wilma I was out of power for almost two weeks and just got internet access back today. But I'm back and badder than ever. Ohhhhh, yeah....
Anyway, back to the timeline talk:
Jred said:
Jred i'm sorry, i wasn't around from the beginning of the ultimate universe, but wasn't the whole point to make everything super-continuituous? it was going great for a while, but after reading USM 69 i'm very disappointed. or maybe i'm just supposed to assume that the UMTU's never happened?
i say this because i believe it was a UMTU that spider-man went to join the FF4 and when he got rejected he had a conversation with the human torch and they talked. in USM 69 they pretty much meet for "the first time" and while USM 69 was a much better story, these plot holes are frustrating.
This is a result of the UFF being changed in terms of their appearance between their characterizations in the UMTU and then in the UFF issues. In the UMTU appearances, the UFF are much closer to their 616 counterparts, whereas the UFF in the ongoing are much younger versions. At some point Bendis and Millar decided to make the UFF younger and so the change carried over even to their continuity apparently. We've been told time and again at some point this issue would be addressed in the comics themselves, and after reading the solicitation for the President Thor arc and seeing it involves time travel, that seems like a likely candidate to answer these questions. I say, look to President Thor.
icemastertron said:
It's been said more times than it should that UMTU #9 is just a joke issue and not to be taken seriously (hence joke issue), and not part of the timeline at all.
Got it? Get it? Good.
Couldn't have said it better.
thee great one said:
Where has BIrishB been? He's been missing for awhile now.
I finally unhooked from the Matrix. But like Joe Pantoliano, I wanted back in.
Pandrio said:
Well, his power was out from hurricane Wilma. Maybe he hasn't gotten it back yet?
And about the UF4, Bendis put them into UMTU, but then later said that their issue was always just a joke issue. So, issue 9 is outside of continiuty, but Bendis put them into the USM Super Special, which still rests within the UU. For years we've been told there will be an answer to this glitch, but it hasn't come yet. However, some people speculate that Millar's arc in UFF might address this.
So, there are some really bad glitchs with the UF4 and UMTU, but they should be taken care of eventually.
Pandrio the man. This should answer that question. I'm going to have to put an addendum onto the Timeline FAQ about the UMTU #9 issue.
Jred said:
Jred Well i havn't read UTMU #9 as it isn't in ths timeline. i've only read the books in this timeline and in that order.
I'm honored.
what i'm referring to is from USM super stories ( i went back and looked). so either the super stories are "non-cannon" or it's out of place. i'd probably go with the former as it looks like the exact same artwork as UTMU and perhaps from the same "non-cannon writer".
just my take on it.
Yes, even though the UMTU #9 isn't canon, the USM Super Special is. There are a few instances where it "crosses over" directly with both USM #14 and The Ultimates #3. Up to this point, EVERYTHING Ultimate (except UMTU #9) is canon. We're all still waiting on the answer to the differences between the two UFF's (the one from the Super Special and the one from the ongoing), which I'm hoping will occur in the President Thor arc.
mrpopstar said:
At the end of the USM story in which Peter and Johnny meet, Johnny requests that Peter come stop by the Baxter Building some time (if I remember correctly... I don't have my books in front of me). I believe that the UMTU story takes place then.
Are you referring to UMTU #9 or the USM Super Special #1? If you mean UMTU #9, its non canon so it doesn't go anywhere. If you mean the Super Special, since it specifically crosses over with USM #14 and The Ultimates #3, it takes place around then, not much later after USM #69.
