Planet-man
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Re: Celebrity Deaths (updated weekly)
I'd drop this but I think Moony's drawn a huge amount of completely wrong and unfair conclusions from what I've said and I don't want that to go on.
I don't me you're joke, I just mean the whole couch-jumping fiasco in general.
If you think I've said that Tom Cruise is a great actor or talented person because he's nice somewhere, you're wrong.
I honestly used to think the exact same thing, but the more I see of him off-camera and read and hear what everyone who works with him says, he's supposed to have one of the best senses of humour out there. His off-the-cuff interactions with J.J. Abrams(for example) on the M:I3 dvd are hilarious.
Show me the post where I said anything even remotely like "Tom Cruise is really intense and has no sense of humour and that makes him awesome".
So why buy into all that rather than just think about it reasonably? He's not perfect, he's not some gay psychopath, he's just a guy who happens to be very successful and intense and generous and off-putting. If you don't like people who don't seem to have enough flaws, that's your problem, not theirs.
I have no idea where you're getting this. Being a good person isn't even really a means, it's an end. I don't think Tom Cruise is better at everything than most people, certainly not because he's "good". I just really admire him because he seems like he's a really nice and cool guy who demands the most out of life and doesn't take it for granted when he gets it, and this is more than I can say for most celebs out there. I'm sick of people calling him the biggest ******* in the world for pretty much no reason. That's my entire opinion here.
Sigh.... enjoy your fictional account of my posts, Moony. Work totally invalid? I've never said anything of the sort about anyone(although plenty others here certainly have about Cruise). But the fact is, yeah, stuff like that makes you a dick. Work has nothing to do with it. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and "Imagine" are both great songs. Kurt Cobain and John Lennon were geniuses. But people thinking they're cool for doing mean, destructive stuff like that and say how "unfair" it was for Kurt Cobain to kill himself during a heroin trip, and then mock Tom Cruise for doing the opposite, is absolutely insane.
What the **** are you talking about? Tom Cruise is now sucks because he's too nice and not self-destructive enough?
Almost as if he's some sort of actor that specializes in a character type.... some sort of.... character.....actor.... am I on to something?
Whether or not he's a great actor isn't even part of this. I really like his work, you don't, it's opinion. My entire beef here is that people treat him like he's an evil person, which I think is ridiculous. As for Scientology, I still don't think it's any worse than most organized religions.
You have earned one Schrute buck.
I'd drop this but I think Moony's drawn a huge amount of completely wrong and unfair conclusions from what I've said and I don't want that to go on.
It's the internet man. Lighten up.
I don't me you're joke, I just mean the whole couch-jumping fiasco in general.
DIB is being extreme (I'd never wish death on anybody.) but you're acting like someone's inherent value in all spheres is directly depended on whether or not they're a nice person.
If you think I've said that Tom Cruise is a great actor or talented person because he's nice somewhere, you're wrong.
As far as his personality goes, Cruise seems like he does of good things but I doubt that he'd be a great person to spend more than a few minutes with. He reminds me of this kid I used to know in grade school. He was always polite and upbeat and he was the smartest kid in the class but he had literally no sense of humor. You had to explain every joke to him. He always took himself and everything else far too seriously. I kind of imagine that that's what Cruise is like.
I honestly used to think the exact same thing, but the more I see of him off-camera and read and hear what everyone who works with him says, he's supposed to have one of the best senses of humour out there. His off-the-cuff interactions with J.J. Abrams(for example) on the M:I3 dvd are hilarious.
That doesn't make him a bad person, but you act like him being like that makes him some kind of incredible ubermensch.
Show me the post where I said anything even remotely like "Tom Cruise is really intense and has no sense of humour and that makes him awesome".
I like people with flaws, people who seem human. I suppose one of the things I like least about Tom Cruise is that he puts off this public persona that he's absolutely perfect in every way. In fact, that's why people have been trying to say he's gay for years. (I've never personally believed it.) They want to find something to make him seem normal, some big secret he's hiding.
So why buy into all that rather than just think about it reasonably? He's not perfect, he's not some gay psychopath, he's just a guy who happens to be very successful and intense and generous and off-putting. If you don't like people who don't seem to have enough flaws, that's your problem, not theirs.
I'm kind of annoyed that you act like being a good person makes you automatically better at everything.
I have no idea where you're getting this. Being a good person isn't even really a means, it's an end. I don't think Tom Cruise is better at everything than most people, certainly not because he's "good". I just really admire him because he seems like he's a really nice and cool guy who demands the most out of life and doesn't take it for granted when he gets it, and this is more than I can say for most celebs out there. I'm sick of people calling him the biggest ******* in the world for pretty much no reason. That's my entire opinion here.
"OMG! Did you know that John Lennon used to be addicted to heroin and that he beat his girlfriend back in the fifties and was actually kind of a dick to people! I guess that makes his work totally invalid! *burns all Beatles and John Lennon albums*"
Sigh.... enjoy your fictional account of my posts, Moony. Work totally invalid? I've never said anything of the sort about anyone(although plenty others here certainly have about Cruise). But the fact is, yeah, stuff like that makes you a dick. Work has nothing to do with it. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" and "Imagine" are both great songs. Kurt Cobain and John Lennon were geniuses. But people thinking they're cool for doing mean, destructive stuff like that and say how "unfair" it was for Kurt Cobain to kill himself during a heroin trip, and then mock Tom Cruise for doing the opposite, is absolutely insane.
The fact is that great artists quite often are dicks and drug addicts and weirdos and generally unhealthy people. That's what makes them great artists.
What the **** are you talking about? Tom Cruise is now sucks because he's too nice and not self-destructive enough?
And that's probably why I've never been impressed by any of Tom Cruise's performances. It's not like I can't separate his personal life from his work, this was far before any of that came out. Every movie I've seen him in, it's just seemed to me "Handsome Generic White Man saves the day!", "Handsome Generic White Man becomes samurai!", "Handsome Generic White Man exploits idiot savant brother!".
Almost as if he's some sort of actor that specializes in a character type.... some sort of.... character.....actor.... am I on to something?
So sure, I respect that he gives to charity and whatnot (I'd do the same if I had as much money as he does, and if someone says they wouldn't than they're a selfish *******.) and that he treats his fans well but I'm not going to pretend that he's not a generic actor or that he believes in and fully supports a massive, destructive scam that masquerades as a religion.
Whether or not he's a great actor isn't even part of this. I really like his work, you don't, it's opinion. My entire beef here is that people treat him like he's an evil person, which I think is ridiculous. As for Scientology, I still don't think it's any worse than most organized religions.
And I demand some sort of financial payment from you for making me write more words about Tom Cruise than I would've thought necessary.
You have earned one Schrute buck.