The new Spider-Man cartoon to air on the CW.

thee great one said:
Both the 90's Spider-Man and the MTV Spider-Man from a few years back.



The old 90's one really hasn't aged well, but I loved it so much.
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I guess you didn't notice the fact I used the word "well". The 90s cartoon sucked in retrospect and the mTv toon had a lot of problems too (no goblin, No ock, etc). Besides shouldn't appealing to new fans be more important than people who are already familar with these stories?

This cartoon makrks the first time these stories have told in quality manner in animation, so I think it deserves to be given a little slack.
 
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Ok, the Sinister Six in this show are awesome. That was one of the best fights I've seen on a show since JLU was around.
 
The Overlord said:
I guess you didn't notice the fact I used the word "well". The 90s cartoon sucked in retrospect and the mTv toon had a lot of problems too (no goblin, No ock, etc). Besides shouldn't appealing to new fans be more important than people who are already familar with these stories?

This cartoon makrks the first time these stories have told in quality manner in animation, so I think it deserves to be given a little slack.
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''Suck'' is subjective thoug since alot of people did like it.

bluebeast said:
Ok, the Sinister Six in this show are awesome. That was one of the best fights I've seen on a show since JLU was around.
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Hellz yeah.

Is venom coming up next week?
 
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Venom Melendez said:
''Suck'' is subjective thoug since alot of people did like it.



Hellz yeah.

Is venom coming up next week?
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I know Venom is showing up in the season finale, but I think next week is just the "oh my god the symbiote is evil get it off get it off getifoff" episode.

So Venom buildup in other words.
 
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Grocer Man said:
I know Venom is showing up in the season finale, but I think next week is just the "oh my god the symbiote is evil get it off get it off getifoff" episode.

So Venom buildup in other words.
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So no actual villain?
 
McCheese said:
There are two episodes left and they're both about Venom.

It's not likely.
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One of this shows strengths is that it can juggle multiple plotlines.

And I meant more along the lines of Tombstone helping Spider-Man with Aunt May and being a dick about it, or the Green Goblin coming to save the day.
 
The Overlord said:
That series has not aged well and has a number of problems:

1. No punching

2. Really bad animation after season 1 (23% new footage.)

3. Lame characterization (Ock as Kingpin's minion)

4. Overexposed villains (at this point I am glad there is no kingpin in this new toon)

5. Some bad voice acting (every time MJ speaks, Spidey screaming MJ's name at random parts.)

6. Lame censored versions of characters who were never interesting in the first place (Carnage and Morbius, who got 5 episodes in a row)

7. Everyone having lasers for no reason.

SS is the first cartoon to do these stories well, so I don't have a problem with it.
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90s Spidey was and is my favourite 'other media' incarnation of Spider-Man. It's the only incarnation of the character besides the original comics that truly captures the feel of 'one lone, friendly neighborhood Spider-Man against every supervillain in the universe...AND with personal problems to boot!'.

Plus, the 90s cartoon is probably second only to Batman: The Animated Series in that most of its deviations from the source material were excellent improvements. For example:

- Instead of just making Peter go 'sleep-swinging' at night; the black symbiote suit actually made him lose all of his inhibitions to the point where he was almost evil. (They've done this in every incarnation since, except USM, I think.)

- The Hobgoblin came before the Green Goblin so that it was even more dramatic (and somewhat frightening) when the Green Goblin first appeared.

- Electro was Red Skull's son, Spider-Man evolves into a Man-Spider because he's just naturally mutating (as opposed to deus-ex-potion) and there's an alternate universe with Stan Lee. How is that not cool?

The only thing I didn't like in the series was the often sub-standard animation and dialogue and the slightly painful story where Goblin and Mary Jane get trapped in another dimension instead of dying; but I can forgive that because it was just a problem that couldn't be dealt with where broadcast restrictions were concerned. I didn't mind the lasers. It suited the semi-futuristic stories that featured as well as the weapons used by the villains of the show. The cops would have looked like complete retards shooting pistols at the Scorpion.
No matter how often I watch this show; I don't think I've ever noticed the fact that no one throws a punch in any episode, ever. There's just so much going on, you don't notice.
The acting was slightly campy and over-the-top, but it suited the cartoon. Spidey shouldn't be that serious. If ever there was a superhero that worked in a campy environment, it's Spider-Man.
 
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Gothamite said:
90s Spidey was and is my favourite 'other media' incarnation of Spider-Man. It's the only incarnation of the character besides the original comics that truly captures the feel of 'one lone, friendly neighborhood Spider-Man against every supervillain in the universe...AND with personal problems to boot!'.

Plus, the 90s cartoon is probably second only to Batman: The Animated Series in that most of its deviations from the source material were excellent improvements. For example:

- Instead of just making Peter go 'sleep-swinging' at night; the black symbiote suit actually made him lose all of his inhibitions to the point where he was almost evil. (They've done this in every incarnation since, except USM, I think.)

- The Hobgoblin came before the Green Goblin so that it was even more dramatic (and somewhat frightening) when the Green Goblin first appeared.

- Electro was Red Skull's son, Spider-Man evolves into a Man-Spider because he's just naturally mutating (as opposed to deus-ex-potion) and there's an alternate universe with Stan Lee. How is that not cool?

The only thing I didn't like in the series was the often sub-standard animation and dialogue and the slightly painful story where Goblin and Mary Jane get trapped in another dimension instead of dying; but I can forgive that because it was just a problem that couldn't be dealt with where broadcast restrictions were concerned. I didn't mind the lasers. It suited the semi-futuristic stories that featured as well as the weapons used by the villains of the show. The cops would have looked like complete retards shooting pistols at the Scorpion.
No matter how often I watch this show; I don't think I've ever noticed the fact that no one throws a punch in any episode, ever. There's just so much going on, you don't notice.
The acting was slightly campy and over-the-top, but it suited the cartoon. Spidey shouldn't be that serious. If ever there was a superhero that worked in a campy environment, it's Spider-Man.
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Again no punching equals epic fail!

Also BTAS had real guns and Spidey TAS had 54% new footage per ep. BTAS is a million times better than Spidey TAS, they actually has animation.

Let's just say Spidey TAS isn't as universally loved as BTAS is.
 
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Gothamite said:
90s Spidey was and is my favourite 'other media' incarnation of Spider-Man. It's the only incarnation of the character besides the original comics that truly captures the feel of 'one lone, friendly neighborhood Spider-Man against every supervillain in the universe...AND with personal problems to boot!'.

Plus, the 90s cartoon is probably second only to Batman: The Animated Series in that most of its deviations from the source material were excellent improvements. For example:

- Instead of just making Peter go 'sleep-swinging' at night; the black symbiote suit actually made him lose all of his inhibitions to the point where he was almost evil. (They've done this in every incarnation since, except USM, I think.)

- The Hobgoblin came before the Green Goblin so that it was even more dramatic (and somewhat frightening) when the Green Goblin first appeared.

- Electro was Red Skull's son, Spider-Man evolves into a Man-Spider because he's just naturally mutating (as opposed to deus-ex-potion) and there's an alternate universe with Stan Lee. How is that not cool?

The only thing I didn't like in the series was the often sub-standard animation and dialogue and the slightly painful story where Goblin and Mary Jane get trapped in another dimension instead of dying; but I can forgive that because it was just a problem that couldn't be dealt with where broadcast restrictions were concerned. I didn't mind the lasers. It suited the semi-futuristic stories that featured as well as the weapons used by the villains of the show. The cops would have looked like complete retards shooting pistols at the Scorpion.
No matter how often I watch this show; I don't think I've ever noticed the fact that no one throws a punch in any episode, ever. There's just so much going on, you don't notice.
The acting was slightly campy and over-the-top, but it suited the cartoon. Spidey shouldn't be that serious. If ever there was a superhero that worked in a campy environment, it's Spider-Man.
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Double Epic Post Combo!:shock:

The truth is spoken once again.
 
Eh, let's take this conversation to the cartoon thread. I mean this is about Spectacular Spider-Man not the older cartoons, though I do want to continue this discussion.
 
Back to topic, I really liked this episode.

- How the Six is organized and the prison break. It is great to note that they never refer to themselves as the "Sinister Six" ala Ultimate to be more realistic. Some more points of realism is Sandman no longer required to eat since his body does not really have internal organs anymore.
- Liked how they coordinated their attacks, the part where they were fine dining in public was also funny with the cops just staring at them helplessly. It really flew in the face of convention with villains usually hiding in abandoned warehouses. Who needs secret hideouts in a world without super-human teams right?
- Homages to the comics. Spidey asleep the whole time with the Black costume and waking up late all the time and cameo of Dr. Kafka in the beginning.
- Merging the Black costume symbiote with the Sinister Six storyline was genius. What better way would there be to demonstrate the awesome power of the suit by taking down six villains by one person?
- Spidey showing his dark side without making it look cheesy like the movie. The writers do not underestimate the intelligence of viewers, including the kids. You just notice that Parker is acting significantly more selfish but he's still the good guy.
- Eddie Brock showing his dark side. I personally think the writers were now trying to hard to make Eddie unlikable so we won't be as sad when he becomes Venom. Eddie is a total jerk throughout the episode and looks like a hypocrite when he endangers MJ's life in the motorcycle stunt he pulls. At least we get to see what bad trait for this version of Brock. He holds grudges and lets hatred consume him. The perfect future host of the symbiote.
 
cmdrjanjalani said:
Back to topic, I really liked this episode.

- How the Six is organized and the prison break. It is great to note that they never refer to themselves as the "Sinister Six" ala Ultimate to be more realistic. Some more points of realism is Sandman no longer required to eat since his body does not really have internal organs anymore.
- Liked how they coordinated their attacks, the part where they were fine dining in public was also funny with the cops just staring at them helplessly. It really flew in the face of convention with villains usually hiding in abandoned warehouses. Who needs secret hideouts in a world without super-human teams right?
- Homages to the comics. Spidey asleep the whole time with the Black costume and waking up late all the time and cameo of Dr. Kafka in the beginning.
- Merging the Black costume symbiote with the Sinister Six storyline was genius. What better way would there be to demonstrate the awesome power of the suit by taking down six villains by one person?
- Spidey showing his dark side without making it look cheesy like the movie. The writers do not underestimate the intelligence of viewers, including the kids. You just notice that Parker is acting significantly more selfish but he's still the good guy.
- Eddie Brock showing his dark side. I personally think the writers were now trying to hard to make Eddie unlikable so we won't be as sad when he becomes Venom. Eddie is a total jerk throughout the episode and looks like a hypocrite when he endangers MJ's life in the motorcycle stunt he pulls. At least we get to see what bad trait for this version of Brock. He holds grudges and lets hatred consume him. The perfect future host of the symbiote.
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I agree with all of this.
 
The Overlord said:
Again no punching equals epic fail!

Also BTAS had real guns and Spidey TAS had 54% new footage per ep. BTAS is a million times better than Spidey TAS, they actually has animation.

Let's just say Spidey TAS isn't as universally loved as BTAS is.
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[Absolutely promise I won't post anything else about the 90s series in this thread ever again]

BTAS is the Citizen Kane of superhero cartoons. I am well aware of this fact. Spider-Man doesn't even come close. I'm simply stating what I liked about the show.
 
Anyone see the latest episode? It was hands down one of the best.

A retelling of Spider-Man's origin, combinded with a the symbiote and Uncle Ben acting as shoulder devil/angel? YES.

I loved the subtle clues, like the white spider symbol expanding the more Peter became corrupted, or Peter refering to himself as "we."
 
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it was awesome. LOVED the latest ep and love the show in general. I have such respect for a kids show that trusts its audience enough to have ongoing continuity and serialization (see also: Avatar), and to handle it all so well. The memory of Uncle Ben helping him fight off Venom?!! Genius.

my only concern is that there's been so much spidey lore packed into this one season i find myself concerned for its longevity. It feels like the creators are worried they're gonna get canceled and are doing everything they want to right out of the gate.
 
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