The Dark Knight {Spoilers Abound}

Random said:
A few days ago I saw this compilation of scenes from TDK that is meant to show people why the film is oscar worthy, and I thought of this:

Nolan: This will never work, maybe I should re-edit it for a broader audience.

Dark Voice: What are you doing!

Nolan: Raimi!?

Raimi: You film is the first legitimate ray of hope our genre has ever scene. If anyone saw this

Nolan: But they're never going to nominate a Batman movie

Raimi: You're what I can't be, hope. I am can only be dictated by fanboys, but you. You can transcend this genre and raise the bar for all films. Not just the fans, but all students of cinema. You are that hope.

Nolan: I understand.


Unfortunately I forgot most of my parody.
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This sounds like my oft-put off "Loeb as the Joker" parody... :/

I might do a comic with TDK stills. Hurm.

Bass said:
A little cynicism in you...

I like that.
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"Then you're gonna love me."

You geeks suck ***.
 
Those who are that cynical, Bass, are too cynical to think anyone would ever like them. Thus no quotation-nation.

...which is a weird thing to type but say it aloud....quotation-nation. ....this post has no purpose. I'm bored as hell.
 
Bass said:
This sounds like my oft-put off "Loeb as the Joker" parody... :/

I might do a comic with TDK stills. Hurm.
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You know I seriously considered doing you "Dark Ultimatum" idea, but I just don't have the time or the energy. You audio was ****ing hilarious though. I might just post it as audio only
 
Planet-man said:
By giving an extremely fun-to-watch but gimmick-driven performance surrounded by lots of hype and then multiplying it all by accidentally dying?

Is.... is that how?
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Ledger as the Joker is the standout performance of the year in my opinion....I haven't seen a lot of great performances this year, and....I can't say I've seen one better than TDK's Joker....honestly....
 
Random said:
You know I seriously considered doing you "Dark Ultimatum" idea, but I just don't have the time or the energy. You audio was ****ing hilarious though. I might just post it as audio only
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A-thankya. But you should hear my idea of what Joker tells Harvey in the hospital...

Dammit. I should've somehow managed to hang around the TDK filming and made my Ultimatum spoof when they weren't looking.
 
Langsta said:
Ledger as the Joker is the standout performance of the year in my opinion....I haven't seen a lot of great performances this year, and....I can't say I've seen one better than TDK's Joker....honestly....
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Well, first of all, Brendan Gleeson in In Bruges no question.

But it's not about that, whether or not there's been anybody better. I know they have to pick five nominees every year, but I try not to think about it that way. I think about what the idea of an Oscar means to me, which is true excellence, not just "nobody else this year happened to top it".

I don't think Ledger's Joker was a truly excellent achievement in acting. I think it was a very entertaining and catchy performance, but I think it was also a very obvious, surface and gimmicky performance and was more style than substance, and last and most importantly, I didn't forget he was acting or that I was watching a performance the way actors like Tom Hanks or Gary Oldman or Kevin Spacey or Steve Carrell or even Bruce Willis(one of the BEST out there at conveying a day's worth of thought in a single facial expression) make me do. I wasn't watching a character, I was watching an actor, although I was still really into doing so.

I don't know if there've been very many truly Oscar-worthy Supp. performances this year aside from Gleeson in In Bruges(although Best Actor is probably be more appropriate there) and perhaps even RDj in Tropic Thunder because I think there was a lot more going on there and I'd say it was harder to pull off than Ledger's Joker impression was, but I don't think that means Ledger should get one in a way I'd describe as "by default". Like we know, though, there's got to be five nominations.

I guess all we can do is wait until the end of the year to see what else is in store for us.
 
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A pox on both camps.

I think the problem with all this discussion of whether or not Ledger deserves an Oscar for his Joker cheapens both his performance AND his death.

His performance is great, but to debate over its Oscar-worthiness is like saying it can only be validated by an Oscar rather than whether or not people appreciated it in the first place.

I think part of the reason that discussion has emerged is BECAUSE Ledger died, and people feel that the only way to validate his tragically cut short path to brilliance is to give him that Oscar, which is ALSO insulting to his death.
 
ourchair said:
A pox on both camps.

I think the problem with all this discussion of whether or not Ledger deserves an Oscar for his Joker cheapens both his performance AND his death.

His performance is great, but to debate over its Oscar-worthiness is like saying it can only be validated by an Oscar rather than whether or not people appreciated it in the first place.

I think part of the reason that discussion has emerged is BECAUSE Ledger died, and people feel that the only way to validate his tragically cut short path to brilliance is to give him that Oscar, which is ALSO insulting to his death.
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Yeah, a lot of this is unavoidable.

Personally I thought Ledger did an amazing job, there have been few performances I've seen that have been as amazing. He cemented the character in cinema villain history. He definitely without a doubt deserves a nomination. Whether he should win I can't say. Mainly due to the fact that I haven't seen many other films this year
 
Random said:
Yeah, a lot of this is unavoidable.

Personally I thought Ledger did an amazing job, there have been few performances I've seen that have been as amazing. He cemented the character in cinema villain history. He definitely without a doubt deserves a nomination. Whether he should win I can't say. Mainly due to the fact that I haven't seen many other films this year
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I agree that he cemented the character in cinema villain history, I just don't think he did so through deep acting. I still talking completely about the performance and not the hype or his death or anything. It was a very memorable and catchy performance.

And I agree that while it's sad, most of this is unavoidable. We're talking about a performance that was literally deemed one of the greatest ever before anyone even saw it(at least in terms of internet polling).
 
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A comment posted on IGN, re: The Dark Knight on Blu-Ray: "HD+DVD IS IN YO HOUSE *****! YOU HEAR THAT ****! YO BLU *** *****ES ARE GOING DOWN! LIKE WAY DOWN, DEAD DOWN! SO DOWN YOU AINT EVEN GONNA KNOW WHICH WAY IS UP! YO ASSES ARE GONNA BE CRYIN TO YO SKANK *** COMPANY OH SONY DONT LET THE BAD MEN HURT US! **** YOU! HD+DVD IS GONNA COME BACK AND WHOOP YO BLU ***!
WHOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!"
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:lol:
 
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Planet-man said:
I agree that he cemented the character in cinema villain history, I just don't think he did so through deep acting. I still talking completely about the performance and not the hype or his death or anything. It was a very memorable and catchy performance.
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I think your entire point about somehow Ledger having just done an average job that needed no real acting is invalidated by the fact that he directed each of those hand-held camera films without Nolan in the room.

I just can't deal with your generic concept... The role basically destroyed him, and you're saying anyone could have done it. It legitimately pisses me off every time you bring it up.
 
The role didn't destroy him. He was suffering from insomnia before he got the part of the Joker, which he said (and it seems those who worked with him felt this way too) was the most fun he ever had.

He was an insomniac who wanted to go to sleep during his massage. He accidentally overdosed and tragically passed away. Joker didn't kill him.

Also, his role is completely gimmick-laden and the majority of the character's strength is in the writing.

However - his performance is stellar.

Think of it this, the character is a F1 car. The writer and director spend ages making sure the engine and tires and spoiler and everything works. The actor walks in, and drives it around the track. The writer, director, and the actor all inform the character greatly. And while the character is technically capable of reaching 200mph, the actor is the one who has to get it there. And Heath Ledger, I think, exceeded what the character was built for. The character was awesome long before Ledger got to it, Ledger just made sure no one would forget the race.

It was the best performance in the film, and one of the best movie performances ever... but not necessarily the best acting in the film.

To continue my poor, thin, metaphor; James Gordon is a Honda Civic. It's cool, but not an F1. Gary Oldman brought it in much faster than anyone thought. Oldman wasn't as 'fast' as Ledger, in that sense, but compared to what he was given, he certainly did more to hold so much of the audience so that when he died, everyone's hearts in the cinema sank.

I think, Oldman should get Best Supporting Actor if someone in TDK has to get it. But! I wouldn't think he got 'robbed' if Ledger, or Eckhart got it. (Or nominated, or what have you.) Terrific performances by all.

But then... the Oscars aren't about quality, but rather, about the glamour and glitz of Hollywood. When the two meet, it's terrific. Other times, they'll just give RETURN OF THE KING every Oscar in the world because they didn't want to give anything to the previous two films and have the Oscars dominated by the trilogy. SEVEN got best editing. At least Bardem got an Oscar for NO COUNTRY and oh, look at that, I'm completely rambling on about things I don't really know anything about. *sigh*
 
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Got the Bluray today and I think I may have loved the film even more the second the time. Also I really love the "Batman unmasked : The Psychology of batman." Which even talks about Riddler , Penguin and Catwoman. It's a pretty interesting special feature.

One disappointment = No deleted scenes on it. :( I really hoped the Dr. Harleen Quinzel scene that meant to have been filmed (Remember before movie an actress was named, she herself said she was in it and few other things?) was on it. But sadly no. Not been that disappointed with a lack of deleted scene since the Liam Neeson (Qui-Gon Jinn) rumoured scene was not on the episode III dvd (the scene in question features in comic and book of the film with Qui-Gon returning as a ghost to teach Obi and yoda how to do it.)
 
SSJmole said:
Got the Bluray today and I think I may have loved the film even more the second the time. Also I really love the "Batman unmasked : The Psychology of batman." Which even talks about Riddler , Penguin and Catwoman. It's a pretty interesting special feature.

One disappointment = No deleted scenes on it. :( I really hoped the Dr. Harleen Quinzel scene that meant to have been filmed (Remember before movie an actress was named, she herself said she was in it and few other things?) was on it. But sadly no. Not been that disappointed with a lack of deleted scene since the Liam Neeson (Qui-Gon Jinn) rumoured scene was not on the episode III dvd (the scene in question features in comic and book of the film with Qui-Gon returning as a ghost to teach Obi and yoda how to do it.)
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dude you suck, I have to wait another 8 hours to get it.
 
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