Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 3)

[Starvel]

They literally establish all dreams are universes. They even make a joke about it when Wong talks about the dream where he runs naked from a clown and America Chavez says "it's somewhere out there".

"Dreams are windows into the lives of our multiversal selves"

"So that recurring nightmare where I'm running naked from a clown" "somewhere out there it's real"

But what's also important to note is that America Chavez states "that was [Defender Strange's] theory" and that doesn't necessarily mean *every* single dream is in fact another reality just that dreams theoretically are windows into other realities.

 

[Starvel]

Yes, Dr Strange, Wong and Chavez can look into other lives via dreams because they have the ability to.

They are mystical-powered people. Not Frank.

Okay so this is never established to be a thing in the film either. They do not establish that "mystical powered people" see into other realities with dreams, just that theoretically dreams are windows into other realities.

 

[SoyaCS]

"Dreams are windows into the lives of our multiversal selves"

"So that recurring nightmare where I'm running naked from a clown" "somewhere out there it's real"

But what's also important to note is that America Chavez states "that was ]Defender Strange's] theory" and that doesn't necessarily mean *every* single dream is in fact another reality just that dreams theoretically are windows into other realities.

And as of now we have no reason not to believe said theory.

 

[Pro Bot]

Is Frank part of that equation? Where is Frank Castle in that scene?

I didn't see him. Also, read what I said above.

He's mastered the ability of standing so incredibly still... that he becomes invisible to the eye.

 

[SoyaCS]

He's mastered the ability of standing so incredibly still... that he becomes invisible to the eye.

 

[selfishmisery]

Okay, since I'm "coping" with said 'facts', let's create a new TRN for Frank Castle's dreams like his clone shooting Frank's wife in front of him and also, while we're at it, put X-Men 97 and all of the 90s-adjacent cartoons in this timeline.

How does that sound?

 

[Starvel]

And as of now we have no reason not to believe said theory.

Unfortunately yes, I believe the implication is all dreams are windows into other realities. However it is stated to just be a theory and given that making all dreams windows into other realities is a stupid ass decision I've elected to use that line to ignore it lol

 

[SoyaCS]

Okay, since I'm "coping" with said 'facts', let's create a new TRN for Frank Castle's dreams like his clone shooting Frank's wife in front of him and also, while we're at it, put X-Men 97 and all of the 90s-adjacent cartoons in this timeline.

How does that sound?

....?

 

[selfishmisery]

....?

You are literally arguing for that.

Is that true?

 

[SoyaCS]

You are literally arguing for that.

Is that true?

I think you worded it weird because I thought you were saying the universe where Frank murders his wife is the same as the animated universe.

So I was confused.

 

[selfishmisery]

This is why until something of conflicting or extremely-complicated nature is clearly defined to the fullest extent, it's a theory until proven otherwise.

For the sake of simplicity, why overthink Frank's paranoid dreams as another universe. For the sake of Punisher and Punisher alone, I can ignore the Dream/Multiverse aspect in THAT regard. Regardless if it's true or not. We'll never know, we can only assume.

 

[Starvel]

For the sake of simplicity, why overthink Frank's paranoid dreams as another universe.

Because it's funny that an MCU film implies it actually happened in the multiverse and that the wiki takes are dreams to mean that to the point of making a page listing them all

Dreams

What bothers me is that last night, you were in my dream.""That wasn't a dream. It was another universe.Doctor Strange and America Chavez Dreams are the phenomenon of experiencing the life of an alternate version of oneself from another universe in the Multiverse that occurs during sleep. The...

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Like this shit is hilarious

 

[selfishmisery]

I'm done with this conversation for real. If you wanna think it's some Frank Castle's life out there, be my guest.

I can disagree. Don't saying I'm "coping". That's 4chan bully tactics.

 

[SoyaCS]

I'm done with this conversation for real. If you wanna think it's some Frank Castle's life out there, be my guest.

I can disagree. Don't saying I'm "coping". That's 4chan bully tactics.

What's wrong with "coping"..? Is it inpolite?

Also, why is it weird that something defined as an INFINITE multiverse has some wacky universes. Isn't that expected...?

 

[selfishmisery]

What's wrong with "coping"..? Is it inpolite?

Also, why is it weird that something defined as an INFINITE multiverse has some wacky universes. Isn't that expected...?

Yes, very impolite. You are being dogmatic at that point, which yeah I've been guilty of. We all have.

But right here and right now, I'm not gonna be told I'm "coping". I'm disagreeing.

I know I said I was done but here we go again with me having to explain my point. I'm not mad, I'm just obligated to respond to aspersions.

 

[gerosuprastyles]

Uxoricide Victim Maria Castle Universe

The "Uxoricide Victim Maria Castle" Universe was a universe where Frank Castle witnessed his wife getting murdered by himself. To be added Frank Castle Maria Castle † Frank Castle Castle Residence, New York City, New York Frank Castle dreamed this universe as a form of regret for his actions in...

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Frank Castle/Castle-Lieberman Thanksgiving Massacre

Francis David "Frank" Castle is a veteran who was at a celebration when he witnessed his friends and family get murdered. To be added[2] Maria Castle † - Wife Lisa Castle † - Daughter Frank Castle, Jr. † - Son David Lieberman † - Friend Sarah Lieberman † - Friend Leo Lieberman † Zach Lieberman †...

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This shit is hilarious, oh my God!

That also appears on the Marvel Wiki

 

[SoyaCS]

Yes, very impolite. You are being dogmatic at that point, which yeah I've been guilty of. We all have.

But right here and right now, I'm not gonna be told I'm "coping". I'm disagreeing.

Politely, I don't think using coping is impolite. But if it upsets you, I apologize.

Also, why didn't you reply to my second point...?

 

[selfishmisery]

Politely, I don't think using coping is impolite. But if it upsets you, I apologize.

Also, why didn't you reply to my second point...?

Because "infinite" is just another way of saying "innumerable variations".

Like how "infinity" is not a number, it's a level we put undefined numbers or equations at that can't be fully detailed.
In other words, it's as infinite as Marvel's lifespan and the amount of universes they tell in said lifespan. Which is unknown.

It's a concept that can't be defined by a single fact, but theories that hold truth based on limited understanding.

 

[SoyaCS]

Because "infinite" is just another way of saying "innumerable variations".

Like how "infinity" is not a number, it's a level we put undefined numbers or equations at that can't be fully detailed.
In other words, it's as infinite as Marvel's lifespan and the amount of universes they tell in said lifespan. Which is unknown.

It's a concept that can't be defined by a single fact, but theories that hold truth based on limited understanding.

Or it just means infinite. So never ending.

 

[selfishmisery]

Or it just means infinite. So never ending.

There's a top and bottom to this tree.
What is "never ending" will expand beyond what the human mind can handle.