I take those comics as canon until they're not. The fact the book lined up with What-If shows that this is how Marvel Studios sees how the week played out. Simple as that.
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I think things get retconned sometimes and more recent relevant information from offical sources is more important.
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Those comics are officially canon through official word. It's probably just accidental and the people behind the book didn't read it. Even then, it'd be better to say they retconed elements of the comic rather than the whole thing.
Were canon. The fact that What-If already contradicted it before the book's release, shows me Marvel Studios had no interest in making sure it lined up. If you want to go with the comic, go at it. I choose to go with the most recent information. Either way there's contradiction.
If they didn't read the comic when making the official timeline for the MCU then there's probably a reason. They may not have retconned the entire comic but it's definitely clear elements of it are
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I agree with mr. @Pro Bot. They probably, made the timeline with only the movies and disney+ series since, they are what the casual people will watch. Remember that the A Funny Thing Happened on the way to thor's hammer one-shot wasn't included.
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I gotta be honest here, I've been following this timeline for like 10 years, but if we go the route of throwing our decade plus work and research out the window to make this into a "Disney canon timeline book" copy (which I know a lot of us have wanted to do basically since the Disney+ timeline came out), I might have to bow out.
This timeline has serious history of dozens and dozens of people doing the research and arguing and debating and nitpicking and reasoning and collaborating than the author of this book could have ever done. For 12 years.
Yeah, this book is cool. And maybe even a neat reference guide for when we're stuck on something. But I believe in this timeline and that we've put more work into it than anyone could have ever done.
So I hope we don't go this direction that I feel that we are heading in
This timeline has serious history of dozens and dozens of people doing the research and arguing and debating and nitpicking and reasoning and collaborating than the author of this book could have ever done. For 12 years.
Yeah, this book is cool. And maybe even a neat reference guide for when we're stuck on something. But I believe in this timeline and that we've put more work into it than anyone could have ever done.
So I hope we don't go this direction that I feel that we are heading in
All the other one shots were included though, so I don't think it means much that it was excluded.
For the most part the book does match here though and in the instances it doesn't logical evidence is given. It's clear at this point the reason the Disney + timeline is set up the way it is is because Marvel Studios was behind it the entire time.
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It's also DIrishB's legacy. I feel like it's more about respecting him than adhering to Disney.
I'm strongly against removing Fury's Big Week based on theoretical retcons.
I mean no disrespect, but I feel we should be able to take new information and adapt. Both the book and What-If having events play out differently, while also matching themselves is more than theoretical, but if others don't feel the same way, so be it. And I wouldn't call it adhering to Disney, but to Marvel Studios.
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Break down what you think is retconned and what contradicts the timeline now.
That I'm having difficulty understanding.
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I assume it's just the order of events that occur in Fury's Big Week, or how long the gaps between events are.
Honestly, I don't mind moving The Incredible Hulk/Iron Man 2/Thor to 2010, but removing Fury's Big Week, which is explicitly canon and made to be distinguished from non-canon "inspired" comics, is not something I'd be interested in. It's sacred canon for me. It's like removing the Ashoka novel or Kanan comics from the Star Wars timeline.
Retcons ≠ non-canon, and that's assuming this even counts.
Honestly, I don't mind moving The Incredible Hulk/Iron Man 2/Thor to 2010, but removing Fury's Big Week, which is explicitly canon and made to be distinguished from non-canon "inspired" comics, is not something I'd be interested in. It's sacred canon for me. It's like removing the Ashoka novel or Kanan comics from the Star Wars timeline.
Retcons ≠ non-canon, and that's assuming this even counts.
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This is what the "inspired-by" comics are usually treated as, particularly on the wiki, not the red stamp officially approved comics like Fury's Big Week.
Events play out on different days. For example, the book places Thor's coronation as before Tony's party (I assume it's the same day) while the comic/old timeline has it the following day. The book also has Betty finding Bruce being around the same time as the Stark Expo battle and Thor trying to retrieve his hammer on the SHIELD base while the comic/old timeline has the Expo being the night before the two other events.
I know the difference between the two, I just don't think Marvel Studios considered it when mapping out the week for both What-If and now the book. If the comic was still considered as canon as you believe, I don't see why it wouldn't have been matched. Whether people think they're canon or not, I think it's clear Marvel Studios doesn't follow the history in them the same way they do their movies/shows, and contradictions aren't too surprising.
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I have a copy of the trade paperback of the issues, I think. I'll look through and analyze it.
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Well using another universe as a Surce Isn't right for me, in what if there was a change in the distant Past, Isn't that Easy, that change could make some events to switch Place. Anyway for me the comics, novels, books, series and movies > info books. The informations in the books as to be backed up by the other products, not Just the movies or not Just the series. But it's Just how I see It.
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And it's not something made up by myself. Days of Future Past works with the fact that One event in the Past changed everything.
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No matter which way you look at it, the timeline flubbed on the Fury's Big Week thing.
Everything else was fairly spot on. I think we can't take Fury's Big Week out of the timeline over some weird chronological disorganization in a timeline book. That's not major enough.
Everything else was fairly spot on. I think we can't take Fury's Big Week out of the timeline over some weird chronological disorganization in a timeline book. That's not major enough.
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for someone who got the book, if you could answer just a few questions i had, as someone who won't be able to get it for the next few months:
- when is wanda studying the darkhold (wandavision end credits) placed?
- when does gorr's god butchering begin?
- when is eternals placed in relation to far from home/no way home?
- when does marc spector become moon knight?
thanks for any help in advance!!
- when is wanda studying the darkhold (wandavision end credits) placed?
- when does gorr's god butchering begin?
- when is eternals placed in relation to far from home/no way home?
- when does marc spector become moon knight?
thanks for any help in advance!!
