Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 3)
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Strange fighting an interdimensional monster and a spider coming through is no more multiverse related than the Guardians fighting the Abilisk.
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I know where you stand, and it's not on business. We simply won't see eye to eye (it's all love in the thread)
to this, but I ain't budging from how I feel about YFNSM.
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Black Panther 3 Confirmed by Marvel Studios in Bittersweet Announcement
Marvel Studios revealed that Black Panther 3 is in development along with the announcement that producer Nate Moore is departing the studio.
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Nate Moore leaving is wild
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TimelineCHADS, in the spirit of What If approaching and just for creativity's sake I wanna ask. If the Avengers formed in another decade or era who do you envision as part of the lineup? Feel free to pull from all parts of canon, any legacy mantle, long-lived characters, or variants
For my 1950's Avengers:
• Isaiah Bradley as Patriot
• Daniel Sousa as Iron Man (Howard built the suit)
• 50's Moon Knight
• Ulysses Bloodstone
• Dottie Underwood as Black Widow
• Makkari as Hurricane
• 50's Ghost Rider (they'd go by Blazing Skull)
In my head Peggy is their Nick Fury and they assemble to fight Agatha
For my 1950's Avengers:
• Isaiah Bradley as Patriot
• Daniel Sousa as Iron Man (Howard built the suit)
• 50's Moon Knight
• Ulysses Bloodstone
• Dottie Underwood as Black Widow
• Makkari as Hurricane
• 50's Ghost Rider (they'd go by Blazing Skull)
In my head Peggy is their Nick Fury and they assemble to fight Agatha
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Earth-TRNXXXX, probably. Not an official designation obviously.
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You've put (00:00:00 - 00:00:00) for Deadpool & Wolverine. It should be (0:00:00 - 0:00:00) to be consistent with the rest of the time codes. Also, despite the movie's numbering, [Earth-10005] isn't entirely accurate, and I'd recommend [Earth-TRN414] or [Earth-17315]. The scenes set after Logan's death should absolutely be [Earth-17315] as well. Those scenes are absolutely set in the Logan future of the X-Men films, which has that reality number.
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Edit: I guess the Marvel wiki did change it to be called "Earth-10005 Revised" instead of TRN414 which I forgot. Stupid decision by the way.
Earth-17315
2 appearance(s) of Earth-17315 1 minor appearance(s) of Earth-17315 56 image(s) of Earth-17315 19 characters that originate from Earth-17315 3 teams that originate from Earth-17315 3 organizations that originate from Earth-17315
Edit: I guess the Marvel wiki did change it to be called "Earth-10005 Revised" instead of TRN414 which I forgot. Stupid decision by the way.
I'll definitely fix the timestamp, thank you for pointing it out. The numbering tho I'm going to keep consistent with the films. When numbers aren't given I'll defer to the comics for sure but for the films timeline I'm going to use the numbers given within the films.
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Okay, well. If this comic gets covered, "Earth-616" has to refer to the mainstream comics universe rather than the MCU, so you'd have to be taking the comics numbers into account over the MCU numbering. I would argue that that makes the comic numbering more canon. At least the, what I would estimate to be, 2036 scenes can be Earth-17315 to keep full consistency and then you can have Earth-10005 for the present day sequences. It doesn't make sense to acknowledge the canon Earth numbers but then defer to the movies.
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Kahhori: Reshaper of Worlds
Kahhori: Reshaper of Worlds is a comic released by Marvel Comics in partnership with Marvel Animation as part of their Marvel's Voices series for Indigenous Peoples Heritage Month about the character of the same name. THE BREAKOUT CHARACTER FROM THE DISNEY+ WHAT IF…? SHOW MAKES HER COMICS DEBUT...
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Another example:
Since the numbers on this timeline are intrinsically linked to the comic book canon, I feel that it is less objective to use Earth-10005 for the 2036 scenes when we acknowledge the comics everywhere else, even when it isn't exactly what a specific film tells us.
In Spider-Verse, this was only referred to as Earth-688. We infer it's Earth-688B because Peter Parker comes from Earth-616B and there's characters from the original Earth-616 and Earth-1610 ("1610A") in Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse. So, we're acknowledging comics canon here too.
Since the numbers on this timeline are intrinsically linked to the comic book canon, I feel that it is less objective to use Earth-10005 for the 2036 scenes when we acknowledge the comics everywhere else, even when it isn't exactly what a specific film tells us.
If that comic is covered here then how to address that numbering is something we'd definitely have a conversation about. Personally I don't think it should be as it was not released as part of the MCU comic tie-ins like the YFNSM prelude or the others here it was made as part of the Marvel Voices line and falls under a crossover like Vulture in Morbius or Prowler in AtSV. But if people feel differently I'd leave that up to the majority vote. As you pointed out in the case of the Kahhori Voices comic being added something like a Earth-616a could be used to be consistent with the films while taking the comics into account.Okay, well. If this comic gets covered, "Earth-616" has to refer to the mainstream comics universe rather than the MCU, so you'd have to be taking the comics numbers into account.
This comic was created with permission from Marvel Animation, as evidenced by one of its variant covers featuring the studio's logo. It is a continuation of the story of the character Kahhori after the events of What If...? Season Two, which are summarized at the start of the comic. It was also worked on by several of the people who worked on the series. Therefore, and as the result of a discussion and vote, the Marvel Cinematic Universe Wiki covers the comic as a canon alternate universe comic.Kahhori: Reshaper of Worlds
Kahhori: Reshaper of Worlds is a comic released by Marvel Comics in partnership with Marvel Animation as part of their Marvel's Voices series for Indigenous Peoples Heritage Month about the character of the same name. THE BREAKOUT CHARACTER FROM THE DISNEY+ WHAT IF…? SHOW MAKES HER COMICS DEBUT...
However this doesn't affect D&W or its numbering. But I would be willing to change it to list it as Earth-10005 Revised as it is still consistent with what the film presents while taking comics into account.
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It's part of an MCU adjacent reality. If Earth-199999 was featured in the comics, I would imagine it would be included, no? Not the whole comic necessarily, but the pages with the MCU in it. Why not Kahhori's comic? The pages set in her reality, that is.
Earth-616A would be accurate but redundant. The MCU isn't Earth-616C, it's Earth-199999. Earth-616A would just be Earth-616.
Earth-616 (Earth-616A)
Earth-616B (Earth-616)
Earth-199999 (Earth-616)
I can accept that... but the scenes after Logan's death should still be Earth-17315 regardless. You'd basically be placing the specific future where Logan happened in D&W in a different timeline to Logan. Like, we're acknowledging the What If...? reality numbers here, I don't see why we don't take everything from it. That's my stance anyway, it's more consistent to follow the comic numbers as absolute gospel. I'll let others chip in though.
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I guess the beginning of Venom: The Last Dance should be included too actually, since they have a slightly altered take/perspective of the same scene from No Way Home. Hm.
Given this is Marvel Studios's universe, my take now is to personally use the numbering they give us. I feel like if Feige really saw his universe as 199999, it would be made clear and I just can't ignore when we've been shown numerous times that they see their main universe as 616. Now if that were to change down the line, I absolutely would be fine with that. But for now I prefer to trust the people that are behind these projects and molding how they see their multiverse. I'm not saying anyone who does want to use the comic numbering is wrong, this is just how I see it.
Plus the numbering in the comics was done in Marvel Studios early days when they had no idea how vast this universe was going to grow or that many years down the line they would be covering the multiverse themselves. It's not too surprising that they might not want to be adhered to a designation from that early in their lifespan and that let's be honest most people aren't even familiar with.
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Feige approved the MCU/comics crossovers, did he not? It's clear that the MCU is not Earth-616 as a result.
I disagree. Again this timeline covers a multiverse being created by Marvel Studios. The Marvel Cinematic Universe, while part of Marvel is a distinct franchise and features crossovers with other Marvel properties. We aren't covering instances when characters original to the MCU crossover into other franchises and series as mentioned above, I don't see why we'd be covering instances when settings or places original to the MCU appear in other franchises or series.
The MCU projects disagree and as this is the MCU timeline they are the primary source but because having two 616s would be confusing and Sony kinda made a way to handle that I think that following its numbering in that case would be a good way to still be consistent to the films while considering the comics.
I strongly disagree. When regarding the MCU it's consistent to use what the films present over what the Appendix says as this is not a timeline for the comics, it's a timeline for the films. The MCU wiki also does this regarding Earth-10005 because it is more consistent to the franchise it's covering.
If he didn't see his own universe as 616, I'm sure it would be much clearer than niche comics. TBH, we have no idea what involvement he actually had in them. If he really saw his universe as 199999, he easily could have it referred as such the numerous times we've seen this universe be given a number in various projects.
If you want to see the universe as 199999 that's fine, but I don't think it's fair to say it's clear the MCU is not seen as 616.
I do feel both side have logical points. Which is why I think it should be up to the individual on which logic they want to take to form their own beliefs. I don't see either as wrong or right.
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This is blatantly incorrect. There are multiple official MCU sources that disprove this showing as far as the MCU is concerned it is Earth-616. You can act like the comics and films using the same numbering means whatever you want it to mean. But this is an MCU timeline and as long as the MCU actively considers the Earth numbers to be whatever they are, be it Earth-10005 or Earth-616, that's the number that will be used regardless of what the comics are doing despite crossovers on their pages outside of MCU branded material.
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Do you consider SSU canon? If yes, then do you consider Spider-Verse canon? If yes (this timeline does clearly), then Spider-Verse acknowledges the comic book canon (and Earth-199999 numbering). Then, we have Feige literally announcing a crossover comic book between the MCU and comic books written by someone who wrote for Loki that acts as a direct sequel to that show. You literally cannot get any more explicit. You have to ignore things that should be objectively canon to the MCU in order to say that it's not Earth-199999. It might be called Earth-616, but it is not technically Earth-616.
This timeline literally acknowledges the comic book reality numbers. I'm advocating for consistency. Either use the canon numbers or don't use any numbers other than the incorrect ones the MCU gives out. Why use different numbering systems instead of the Captain Britain designations? And if you will use exclusively the 838 Illuminati/TVA designations, then you don't have a number for What If...?, SSU, Destroyed Earth, etc. The timeline has been entirely consistent with the comics numbers thus far until Deadpool & Wolverine, I'm pointing that out. Do you think the reality numbers on Selishmisery's X-Men timeline came from that franchise? Most of the Spider-Verse realities don't use "B" at the end of them and yet I did for every single universe in my timeline. I appreciated the consistency there, and I'm just saying that if you're not going to commit to that consistency, then I personally argue that most universes with a number on this site don't have an MCU number.
