Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 2)

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I liked her in Marvel Rising. Hopefully the MCU can also portray her well.

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Rman said:
Don't really see the point in putting up one episode pilots. There's a reason why many pilots that don't become series don't see the light of the day.
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Eh, not all too bothered if they do, personally I'd just like to see them for what they are.
 
My 2 cents on the shows being canon or not:
First, I want to say that I have watched all the shows because I enjoy the MCU and things that may or may not connect to it. At least they tried, is all I can say for some of the properties.
I think the problem some people have with certain shows being canon or not comes down to a completely different word that they actually mean to be using...continuity. They seem to mix up the two a lot when defining what is a part of the story.
Canon is accepted as being a part of the lore by some overseer. They put their stamp on it and say yes.
Continuity is when things connect together over different storylines that address each other in some way.
That being said, all of the films and shows that are said to be MCU absolutely fit into the canon of the MCU because the overseers put their stamp on it saying yes it is. HOWEVER, there are different continuities within the canon, resulting in certain disjointed pieces which is why certain shows don't line up for people or only line up with this or that. Jarvis in AC being in Endgame does bring the AC show into continuity with the films. That continuity not addressing anything else overtly means it isn't the same continuity as the Netflix shows, or the Hulu shows etc. Similar events may have happened in each continuity but until they make those connections overt, they have to be different continuities within the same canon.
It's the only way to make sense of everything within the same canon and yet still be disjointed here and there.
 
That is (no offense) the most stupid thing I have ever read. Canon is canon. Canon means it is set in the same continuity as. You are canon you are on the same continuity. End of story.

Norton got recasted. It is the same Hulk. Marheshala Ali will play Blade, he still was Cottonmouth. A few factors? Sure. Contradict continuity? No. Will they address that in-universe? No. Changes something? No.

Now. The shows stuff still happened in the movies continuity. There has been several nods from the films to the shows. If you don't say it out loud, it doesn't matter.

And there are no different continuities. They have their own storylines and setting. Their own corner where they play with certain elements. So you are telling me Fury appearing in AoS two times does not affect his continuity in the films because they didn't mention it? The Battle of New York constantly mentioned in the Netflix shows is a similar Battle of NY but different to the one of the films? LoL. No.

They are canon. Same continuity. And this last line has been said by Feige himself. Who said Netflix shows is in the same continuity. Not addressing something never means that didn't happen.

At some point they will recast some actors, but will that mean decanonizing? No... We will see old elements now being taken by Marvel Studios, they can differ in aesthetics but they will complement what we had been told before in previous MCU storylines.
 
I'm not suggesting I agree with it, but it's something some could consider. There's no cut and dry way to put everything together without ignoring things all over the place, and that is part of the reason why some people out there don't consider the shows canon with the films. I'm not speaking from what Feige did or didn't say, simply saying that regardless of that, there are some that will never consider parts of the MCU canon. But things can get complicated if and when the MCU starts addressing things that aren't in their canon or continuity, such as the long rumored live action spider-verse, or deadpool, etc. Does Deapool 3 being in the MCU negate 1 and 2 from being in it because they are from the Fox X-Men films? Or does 3's inclusion make 1 and 2 canon as well and the Fox connections are simply jokes?

Feige is making a very specific decision to interlink the new d+ shows with the films. He even called out that it is the first time they interlink. Depending on how you look at that quote, Jarvis in Endgame is not Jarvis in AC. That's why 'canonicity' and 'continuity' are not the same thing. Another way to look at this is Force Healing in SW9, gee that could have been super useful in all 8 preceding episodes. It's hard to justify its inclusion in continuity regardless of its canonicity. So by allowing different continuities to exist in canon you can start to justify or even forgive the aforementioned things you ignored to make it all work.

At the end of the day, I have a full MCU guide of my own that includes everything, but I'm not unsympathetic to those who refuse the shows or have problems with them and don't include them. Everyone enjoys the films, which is the building blocks of the expanded universe, but it isn't that cut and dry due to so many circumstances over the years.
 
Feige is not lying though. The previous shows were made with the intention to be in a parallel storyline set in a major universe, but with no means trying to interlink, just pick up and introduce some elements that would be first introduced in the films.

This entire TV shows will get removed is annoying, so I don't intend to keep arguing. Just making my point.
 
Can see if the show managed to confuse the timeline anymore than it already has! Hoping for a good send off and maybe even some answers for the Agent Carter series
 
They explained it fairly well.

"Ripples" create branches, "waves" become permanent.

So basically War Machine was right in Endgame. Bruce was only HALF right.
 
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So I think we can easily place the 1931 stuff in the winter. If fits the weather and along with the Dracula poster (February 14th), there's one for The Phantom of the West (January 1st). Hopefully the rest of the decades will be this easy to place.
 
Will the episodes be placed in an alternate timeline on our timeline? (Alternate 1931 timeline, for example)

EDIT: Never mind, I see we did do just that for Endgame. I was thinking because the Agents are not actually changing time, we might decide they're in the original 1931 timeline... I don't know, time travel makes my head spin haha
 
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Updated with AoS 7x01. I'll keep it listed as an alternate 1931 timeline for now.
 
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