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Since the first 3 phases are "The Infinity Saga", it's weird that it ends on Spider-Man - Far From Home. Makes me wonder about that movie.
Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 2)
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Hey guys, now that Endgame premiered and spoilers are starting to come out, please don't forget to use the spoiler tags.
I might not have a chance to watch the movie until a week or two after the premiere. I'll still be posting in this thread to update for Cloak & Dagger season 2, but I'd like to go in as blind as possible to see the movie, so I probably won't be able to update for Endgame until I watch it.
By all means, anyone who watches it on opening weekend is free to discuss spoilers in this thread, but as I said, don't forget to use the spoiler tags. I might repost this at the top of new discussion pages as a reminder.
Thanks!
Hey guys, now that Endgame premiered and spoilers are starting to come out, please don't forget to use the spoiler tags.
I might not have a chance to watch the movie until a week or two after the premiere. I'll still be posting in this thread to update for Cloak & Dagger season 2, but I'd like to go in as blind as possible to see the movie, so I probably won't be able to update for Endgame until I watch it.
By all means, anyone who watches it on opening weekend is free to discuss spoilers in this thread, but as I said, don't forget to use the spoiler tags. I might repost this at the top of new discussion pages as a reminder.
Thanks!
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Even better, create another thread. I'm going to see it on the 28th, and I don't want to be tempted or accidentally open the
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dsethlewis
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Hey everyone! Back in like 2013-2017, I was checking in and working on this project like every day, but I dropped off when I was applying for and starting a PhD program. Endgame has got my MCU blood pumping out of control again, so I dropped back in to see how the timeline was going. I was heartbroken to hear about David! (DIrishB)
He really was a hero of mine. I had no idea how he was able to create these timelines, but I loved them, and the MCU one above all. Just the MCU one must have been at least as much work as a full time job for him, and he did it all without asking for anything. He was wicked smart, always fair in settling disputes over the timeline, and calmly authoritative.
There was a moment where it seemed like he wanted to take a break (due to some forum drama I believe, but I don't remember the specifics), and I remember we all panicked. I shared back then that this project helped keep me sane during a dark time in my own life, when I was grieving for a friend who died in a freak accident. I only hope he knew how much this thing meant to us all.
It's wonderful to see some of the old-timers are still keeping the ball rolling, and it's also great to see some new "faces" have joined the party. I think of this thing as the coolest fucking jigsaw puzzle ever, and I imagine you all enjoy seeing a piece fall into place as much as I do.
It's sad to me that some of the people most invested in the MCU will not see Endgame. So I propose a toast.
As we head toward the end of the Avengers Tetralogy and the Infinity Saga, let us raise a glass to David O'Neil for creating this timeline and to the community that makes it a living document, to Stan Lee and Jack Kirby for creating the Marvel Universe and to the people of Marvel Entertainment for bringing it to life, and to all of us fans for making the MCU a cultural phenomenon bigger than I ever could have imagined when I first saw Tony get blown out of a humvee by a roadside bomb. L'chaim!
He really was a hero of mine. I had no idea how he was able to create these timelines, but I loved them, and the MCU one above all. Just the MCU one must have been at least as much work as a full time job for him, and he did it all without asking for anything. He was wicked smart, always fair in settling disputes over the timeline, and calmly authoritative.
There was a moment where it seemed like he wanted to take a break (due to some forum drama I believe, but I don't remember the specifics), and I remember we all panicked. I shared back then that this project helped keep me sane during a dark time in my own life, when I was grieving for a friend who died in a freak accident. I only hope he knew how much this thing meant to us all.
It's wonderful to see some of the old-timers are still keeping the ball rolling, and it's also great to see some new "faces" have joined the party. I think of this thing as the coolest fucking jigsaw puzzle ever, and I imagine you all enjoy seeing a piece fall into place as much as I do.
It's sad to me that some of the people most invested in the MCU will not see Endgame. So I propose a toast.
As we head toward the end of the Avengers Tetralogy and the Infinity Saga, let us raise a glass to David O'Neil for creating this timeline and to the community that makes it a living document, to Stan Lee and Jack Kirby for creating the Marvel Universe and to the people of Marvel Entertainment for bringing it to life, and to all of us fans for making the MCU a cultural phenomenon bigger than I ever could have imagined when I first saw Tony get blown out of a humvee by a roadside bomb. L'chaim!
Dallas Kinard
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I don't like how they ignore mid and post-credit's scenes.
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Well, it's accurate this time. That's good, though I still disagree on The Incredible Hulk's placement.
Agreed. And TFA/Cap Marv are best watched as per their release dates, but that's a personal preference thing.
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Well, even though it takes place after, nothing in the Captain America: The First Avenger indecates it's after the other movies if you were watching it like that, so it doesn't bother me. Captain Marvel on the otherhand... first time viewing recommendation would be:
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Thor
The Incredible Hulk
Captain America: The First Avenger
The Avengers
Iron Man 3
Thor: The Dark World
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Guardians of the Galaxy
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Ant-Man
Captain America: Civil War
Black Panther
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Doctor Strange
Thor: Ragnarok
Avengers: Infinity War
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Captain Marvel
Avengers: Endgame
Spider-Man: Far From Home
Falcon & Winter Soldier 1x01-1x08
WandaVision 1x01-1x08
Loki 1x01-1x08
Hawkeye 1x01-1x08
Every other time would be:
Captain America: The First Avenger
Captain Marvel
Iron Man
Iron Man 2
Thor
The Incredible Hulk
The Avengers
Iron Man 3
Thor: The Dark World
Captain America: The Winter Soldier
Guardians of the Galaxy
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Ant-Man
Captain America: Civil War
Black Panther
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Doctor Strange
Thor: Ragnarok
Ant-Man and the Wasp
Avengers: Infinity War
Avengers: Endgame
Spider-Man: Far From Home
Falcon & Winter Soldier 1x01-1x08
WandaVision 1x01-1x08
Loki 1x01-1x08
Hawkeye 1x01-1x08
The Disney+ tv shows are an extra, but I consider them apart of Phase Four, since they are apart of the main storyline of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
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I definitely agree that a first-time watch through should be pretty close to release order, and I prefer chronological order on rewatches. Otherwise you would never be able to watch Infinity War leading right into Endgame (which I assume is the case with Endgame, haven't seen it yet though.)
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Phase Three release order is way too messy for me.
2016
Captain America: Civil War
2016-2017
Doctor Strange
2014
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
2016
Spider-Man: Homecoming
2017
Thor: Ragnarok
2016
Black Panther
2018
Avengers: Infinity War
Ant-Man and the Wasp
1995
Captain Marvel
2018/2019?
Avengers: Endgame
Spider-Man: Far From Home
Personally I like to ignore release order and go from a narrative/chronological order if i were to recommend a first time viewing.
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Yeah the placement of Black Panther in the release schedule is really weird. It makes much more sense to go from Ragnarok into Infinity War. Doctor Strange could really be watched anytime before Ragnarok, and Ant-Man and the Wasp and Captain Marvel should definitely be watched after Infinity War for the first time, at least.
So, after seeing Endgame last night...
The good news is that Avengers is confirmed in 2012 and GotG in 2014, the bad news is that all the time travelling means that the original timeline has now been split into many others, and the "main" timeline is shot all to hell moving forwards since everyone is snapped for 5 years even with the resolution, so the earliest that any other films can be set is 2022!
No idea how they're going to set Spiderman: Far from Home in 2022 and still have Peter's classmates involved at high school, unless they were all snapped as well
Liked how they set up Loki's series though in his own timeline, by giving him the Space Stone/Tesseract after Avengers.
Also clearly Black Widow/Hawkeye/WandaVision must either be set in other timelines, or will be "prequels".
Also gonna be great seeing Quill having to woo Gamora all over again!
It's going to be an interesting few months in here. I think we'll have to freeze the original timeline up until Endgame, then start new, post Endgame timelines, or someone's head is going to explode trying to work out what the "main" timeline now looks like.
No idea how they're going to set Spiderman: Far from Home in 2022 and still have Peter's classmates involved at high school, unless they were all snapped as well
Liked how they set up Loki's series though in his own timeline, by giving him the Space Stone/Tesseract after Avengers.
Also clearly Black Widow/Hawkeye/WandaVision must either be set in other timelines, or will be "prequels".
Also gonna be great seeing Quill having to woo Gamora all over again!
It's going to be an interesting few months in here. I think we'll have to freeze the original timeline up until Endgame, then start new, post Endgame timelines, or someone's head is going to explode trying to work out what the "main" timeline now looks like.
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Can someone make an Avengers: Endgame spoiler thread so that when I watch it i don't have to go through pages of this thread?
So, after seeing Endgame last night...The good news is that Avengers is confirmed in 2012 and GotG in 2014, the bad news is that all the time travelling means that the original timeline has now been split into many others, and the "main" timeline is shot all to hell moving forwards since everyone is snapped for 5 years even with the resolution, so the earliest that any other films can be set is 2022!
No idea how they're going to set Spiderman: Far from Home in 2022 and still have Peter's classmates involved at high school, unless they were all snapped as well
Liked how they set up Loki's series though in his own timeline, by giving him the Space Stone/Tesseract after Avengers.
Also clearly Black Widow/Hawkeye/WandaVision must either be set in other timelines, or will be "prequels".
Also gonna be great seeing Quill having to woo Gamora all over again!
It's going to be an interesting few months in here. I think we'll have to freeze the original timeline up until Endgame, then start new, post Endgame timelines, or someone's head is going to explode trying to work out what the "main" timeline now looks like.
I watched the movie too! So...
The beginning is still 2018, 5 years later they use time travel and the movie ends in 2023 in my opinion.
Far From Home starts minuts after endgame, so I guess it will be September 2023.
Disney+ shows will probably be prequels, well, most of them. Who knows. Falcon and Winter Soldier can be in future.
GotG 3 will be interesting too.
And what about AoS? It takes place a year after season 5, so 2019, still 4 years before the Endgame main events. Season 7 maybe will take place after Endgame. There's still a huge gap between between 2018 and 2023.
But what gave me the unbelievable joy? They showed Jarvis from Agent Carter show! Finally a tv character showed up in a movie
Far From Home starts minuts after endgame, so I guess it will be September 2023.
Disney+ shows will probably be prequels, well, most of them. Who knows. Falcon and Winter Soldier can be in future.
GotG 3 will be interesting too.
And what about AoS? It takes place a year after season 5, so 2019, still 4 years before the Endgame main events. Season 7 maybe will take place after Endgame. There's still a huge gap between between 2018 and 2023.
But what gave me the unbelievable joy? They showed Jarvis from Agent Carter show! Finally a tv character showed up in a movie
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Just so you guys know, I'm adjusting the timecodes of the movies set during Fury's Big Week. This might lead to more edits, as per @tabascoman77's suggestion.
Since this is the top of a new page, I'm posting this to remind everyone to remember to mark for Endgame-related spoilers.
Discussion thread for Endgame: https://www.thecomicboard.com/threads/avengers-end-game.14637/
Discussion thread for Endgame: https://www.thecomicboard.com/threads/avengers-end-game.14637/
You are, of course, completely correct.
which only makes it worse! Yeah, I loved that part too
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Endgame spoilers follow.
So after seeing Endgame, here are my thoughts on the timeline(s) moving forward. /u/pixelcraftables posted this over at /r/marvelstudiosspoilers and I largely agree with this. I would say the prime MCU timeline has stayed entirely intact from what was shown in the movie; the scenes set in the 70's, The Avengers in 2012, Thor: The Dark World in 2013, and the events on Vormir in 2014 can all be considered canonical. The 70's scene obviously could have just happened and we haven't seen it before, just as any other flashback scene happens in any other movie; Tony takes the space stone and within seconds, Steve returns from the end of the film and puts it back. The sequence from Thor: The Dark World could have happened off-screen; Rocket takes the reality stone from Jane as Thor talks to Frigga and grabs Mjolnir and within seconds, Steve returns from the end of the film and gives the reality stone back to Jane and puts Mjolnir back. Natasha and Clint go to Vormir in 2014 and retrieve the soul stone and within seconds, Steve from the end of the film returns it.
The scene set in The Avengers in 2012 is a little more complicated, but I still feel as if this could be considered canonical. Banner retrieves the time stone, an event that would have happened entirely off-screen in The Avengers anyway. The stuff that happens with the space and mind stones could have happened off-screen as well. Loki could take the space stone and could have been restrained by the Avengers again before the schwarma scene and Steve taking the mind stone makes sense within the timeline. Within seconds, Steve from the end of the film returns and puts the time and mind stones back.
The end of the film, with Steve returning to the past to stay with Peggy and returning as an old man, completes the loop, I feel. This way, all of the past continuity is at least somewhat maintained, which is a good thing because my biggest fear going into Endgame was that they would use time traveling in such a way that would negate the previous 21 films and make them all for nothing.
The events of Guardians of the Galaxy 2014, however, I feel is a completely new timeline; if Thanos and his army are brought forward in time and snapped before even Guardians of the Galaxy is over, the entire flow of events is kind of ruined. As far as I can tell, there is absolutely no way these events can happen in the prime MCU timeline. This is the only necessary branch in the timeline, I feel.
Regarding Spider-Man: Far From Home: so now I feel they can go two ways with this film: either it's set before Infinity War or they somehow explain that Peter and his entire class are able to stay intact and stay in the same education and grade level, despite five years having passed for the rest of the world. In the trailer, Peter's date of birth and the current year are blurred out intentionally, and now it will be interesting to see whether they insert 2017 or 2023 into the current year spot.
Regarding Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: this is by far my biggest problem with the film; it almost completely disregards Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. while at the same time trying to bridge the gap between the ABC shows and the films by including Edwin Jarvis in the 70's scene. I'm trying to reconcile Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s fifth season, which shows that time travel does affect the future, by saying that the White Monolith and the Quantum Realm are two different mechanisms of time travel, therefore they use two different versions of time travel (convoluted, I know, but I can't think of any other explanation at the moment). As far as season 6 is concerned, I'm assuming they will just try to explain it as the entire team got lucky from the snap; otherwise, it would almost seem like the entire show would no longer be canon and would instead be set in its own branch of the timeline, similar to the events of Guardians of the Galaxy in Endgame.
Regarding the Disney+ shows: I feel like these are all over the place now. Steve gives Sam the shield at the end of the film, setting up The Falcon and the Winter Soldier as the ongoing adventure of the present day Sam-Captain America, who teams up with Bucky. The Loki series has been described as a journey through the MCU's history, setting it in the past, which fits in with the fact that Loki was not revived by the Stark Gauntlet (at least not on-screen) in Endgame. WandaVision is the odd one out; according to Elizabeth Olsen, the concept art for WandaVision shown at the Disney+ shareholders event features Wanda and Vision in the 1950's. This, to me, says that the show begins with Wanda searching for a way to bring Vision back and ends up in the 1950's once again through the Quantum Realm. If this is the case, I'm hoping that they treat the series pretty similarly to Endgame because the 1950's is pretty open in the timeline right now and it might actually be very interesting to have a series set almost entirely in the past that wasn't known about yet.
The scene set in The Avengers in 2012 is a little more complicated, but I still feel as if this could be considered canonical. Banner retrieves the time stone, an event that would have happened entirely off-screen in The Avengers anyway. The stuff that happens with the space and mind stones could have happened off-screen as well. Loki could take the space stone and could have been restrained by the Avengers again before the schwarma scene and Steve taking the mind stone makes sense within the timeline. Within seconds, Steve from the end of the film returns and puts the time and mind stones back.
The end of the film, with Steve returning to the past to stay with Peggy and returning as an old man, completes the loop, I feel. This way, all of the past continuity is at least somewhat maintained, which is a good thing because my biggest fear going into Endgame was that they would use time traveling in such a way that would negate the previous 21 films and make them all for nothing.
The events of Guardians of the Galaxy 2014, however, I feel is a completely new timeline; if Thanos and his army are brought forward in time and snapped before even Guardians of the Galaxy is over, the entire flow of events is kind of ruined. As far as I can tell, there is absolutely no way these events can happen in the prime MCU timeline. This is the only necessary branch in the timeline, I feel.
Regarding Spider-Man: Far From Home: so now I feel they can go two ways with this film: either it's set before Infinity War or they somehow explain that Peter and his entire class are able to stay intact and stay in the same education and grade level, despite five years having passed for the rest of the world. In the trailer, Peter's date of birth and the current year are blurred out intentionally, and now it will be interesting to see whether they insert 2017 or 2023 into the current year spot.
Regarding Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.: this is by far my biggest problem with the film; it almost completely disregards Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. while at the same time trying to bridge the gap between the ABC shows and the films by including Edwin Jarvis in the 70's scene. I'm trying to reconcile Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.'s fifth season, which shows that time travel does affect the future, by saying that the White Monolith and the Quantum Realm are two different mechanisms of time travel, therefore they use two different versions of time travel (convoluted, I know, but I can't think of any other explanation at the moment). As far as season 6 is concerned, I'm assuming they will just try to explain it as the entire team got lucky from the snap; otherwise, it would almost seem like the entire show would no longer be canon and would instead be set in its own branch of the timeline, similar to the events of Guardians of the Galaxy in Endgame.
Regarding the Disney+ shows: I feel like these are all over the place now. Steve gives Sam the shield at the end of the film, setting up The Falcon and the Winter Soldier as the ongoing adventure of the present day Sam-Captain America, who teams up with Bucky. The Loki series has been described as a journey through the MCU's history, setting it in the past, which fits in with the fact that Loki was not revived by the Stark Gauntlet (at least not on-screen) in Endgame. WandaVision is the odd one out; according to Elizabeth Olsen, the concept art for WandaVision shown at the Disney+ shareholders event features Wanda and Vision in the 1950's. This, to me, says that the show begins with Wanda searching for a way to bring Vision back and ends up in the 1950's once again through the Quantum Realm. If this is the case, I'm hoping that they treat the series pretty similarly to Endgame because the 1950's is pretty open in the timeline right now and it might actually be very interesting to have a series set almost entirely in the past that wasn't known about yet.
