Marvel Cinematic Universe - Timeline (Part 2)

fuzzyfoot said:
Stuckmann did a review on it already and even he didn't give any clarification. I honestly think this one will be whatever everyone feels is best until ANY of the characters reappear.
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I'm thinking Disney+ is the only thing we'll have to narrow down a placement. Given how vague the special seems to be, I don't think where it ends up there will be an issue.
 
fuzzyfoot said:
I still use it, but eventually every single subreddit goes from upbeat fan hangout to joyless cesspool when enough people get on there. It becomes full of nothing but 'hate' watchers.
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Yep. Toxic positivity runs rampant on there. If you don't absolutely affirm the popular stance, you're downvoted to heck.
 
JudgeDreddpool said:
Marvel.com after She-Hulk's penultimate episode: Daredevil is canon and Charlie Cox is the same Matt Murdock you all remember and love.

Red- I mean, Intelligencia in spite of official evidence stating Daredevil as canon:
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Why are they so adamant it's not? Gosh the "is it canon or not" debate in general is one of thee dumbest and silliest things humans can argue about.
 
Dallas Kinard said:
Why are they so adamant it's not? Gosh the "is it canon or not" debate in general is one of thee dumbest and silliest things humans can argue about.
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I don't think the show isn't canon, but it's obvious there's some questionability. I just hate how toxic both sides of the argument get over the other's beliefs. The Marvel article does help, but I would still like something within an actual show to address specifics from Netflix if they do still see it as canon. I personally would like to know what was going on with the Tracksuits during Daredevil and why they weren't seen (beyond fan theories and handwaving the issue). Hopefully, with Echo
(there are rumors of flashbacks involving her and Daredevil)
we get some answers.

I also feel like if Marvel Studios does see everything as canon, I don't see why Disney+ can't include them in the Marvel Cinematic Universe tab on the service. I'm not saying they should be on their timeline or phases (for obvious reasons) but with Marvel Television dead I see no reason why they wouldn't be included.
 
Dallas Kinard said:
Why are they so adamant it's not? Gosh the "is it canon or not" debate in general is one of thee dumbest and silliest things humans can argue about.
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I have my opinion but avoid discussing it at this point because it's too divisive a conversation. All I ask is that today, not an article or video that's been hidden on YT or buried in the internet archives, but today, Feige comes forward and gives a definitive yay or nay. The reason he won't is because no matter the answer someone will get impacted negatively and it will always come down to the 'non-netflix' stuff. AOS/Inhumans fans will be rewarded and other fans will go apeshit over the inclusion of the bottom of the barrel. Or the Sacred Timeline remains with only projects Feige had his name on and everyone else feels left out or forgotten like their time invested in #itsallconnected was worthless.

It's a lose/lose conversation and it's best to just let Marvel do what they want on this topic. But here, we include it all just in case ;)
 
Dallas Kinard said:
Why are they so adamant it's not? Gosh the "is it canon or not" debate in general is one of thee dumbest and silliest things humans can argue about.
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From my experience, there are some people who expect MCU properties to just constantly reference each other, and so people started to "theorise" they were separate when the Netflix shows didnt just constantly reiterate the plots of the latest movies.

This view got a bit of merit when Endgame came out and the shows got immediately cancelled. As someone who views the shows as canon myself, I can admit that the fact that AOS and Runaways occur during the snap and its not mentioned is a bit awkward. But those discrepancies are common in the comics because keeping track of shared universes is really hard.

Over time its become so ingrained that the show are "definitely not canon" that people just cant accept otherwise, so now they have to come up with more convoluted theories to cover up the gaps rather than accept they were wrong.

It really shows the power of echo chambers to ingrain a tightly held belief about something
 
Lucid_Dreamer said:
From my experience, there are some people who expect MCU properties to just constantly reference each other, and so people started to "theorise" they were separate when the Netflix shows didnt just constantly reiterate the plots of the latest movies.

This view got a bit of merit when Endgame came out and the shows got immediately cancelled. As someone who views the shows as canon myself, I can admit that the fact that AOS and Runaways occur during the snap and its not mentioned is a bit awkward. But those discrepancies are common in the comics because keeping track of shared universes is really hard.

Over time its become so ingrained that the show are "definitely not canon" that people just cant accept otherwise, so now they have to come up with more convoluted theories to cover up the gaps rather than accept they were wrong.

It really shows the power of echo chambers to ingrain a tightly held belief about something
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For me personally, it isn't that I feel there needs to be references, it's more that it's obvious the reason there is contradiction is because of the division between Marvel Studios and Marvel Television. To the point, those behind the scenes are lazily saying it's "pre-snap" even when the evidence within those actual shows says otherwise. I'm not saying the shows aren't canon, just that if Marvel Studios saw them as important as their own projects, I'm sure they would have made sure everything lined up.

Also, it's much easier to maintain continuity in a visual medium like the MCU and I don't think it's a fair comparison to compare it to the comics when it comes to discrepancies. The timeline becomes less convoluted when you consider just Marvel Studios productions, which isn't me saying the shows aren't canon, just that it's at the very least obvious Marvel Studios doesn't see them on the same level as their own productions when it comes to having everything fit.

I mean even when there was more of a connection, it didn't always line up. If you watch the AoS tie-in to The Winter Soldier, the episode makes it look like the events of the movie happen within a day (Sitwell leaves for the Lemurian Star less than 24 hours from when HYDRA is revealed) compared to a few days like the movie.
 
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