Dreamcasting #34- Further Entries into the Superman series
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I totally voted TOG.....WITH MY MIND!!
Am I the only one who voted? :lol:
Nope.
Ah it was just I voted then an hour or so later you post "tog wins" I thought "yay my voted mattered" :lol:
ourchair
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I hope the next round is interesting, I'm really in the mood to Dreamcast all of a sudden.
You in the mood for anything else :wink:
I can get us a big bucket of chicken , play some Barry White, Light a few candles and put on some porn, Not just any more i mean the real nasty hardcore ****, **** so bad it would make even you blush.
ProjectX2
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We're going to have to wait another couple of days before TGO gets back. I hope it's an interesting round. These Dreamcast games are getting too dull. I think we need a reinvention, and maybe only have one or two going.
ourchair
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I think we should abolish Dream Movie, and have two threads: Remakes, and Adaptations.
Adaptations: Anything that isn't a movie or a TV program is made into a movie or TV program. Books, comics, videogames, board games, toys, cartoon series, historical figures, the life stories of famous people, LOLcats, ROFLcopters, mathematical equations, etc.
Remakes: Everything that is already a movie or TV program, remade. If said movie or TV program to be remade is also an adaptation of another work, then it can be a remake if it's an attempt to re-do something that is regarded as definitive. Examples:
Dune - adaptation, because the Lynch film is considered unacceptable by fans, and the miniseries did not penetrate a cultural consciousness
Fight Club - remake, because the adaptation is definitive enough to have become part of a cultural consciousness
Blade Runner - remake, because it is a definitive version of a sci-fi novel.
Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep - adaptation, because the book is distinctly different, more ecocidal in focus, enough to be re-adaptable despite the presence of a definitive adaptation like Blade Runner.
Dream Movie should instead become The Pitch, where the round moderator chooses a theme based on a property trope. Not a property, a theme. And then people run with it. A good framework to imagine is that you're a studio boss, and you need a film to fit a release schedule or a TV programming director who needs specific programs to fill slots.
For example:
48 Hrs of Lethal Weapons and Two Beverly Hills Cops: That Buddy Cop Film Featuring Unlikely Partners.
The Mummy's Interview with a Headless Horseman: That Period Piece Featuring Werewolves, Vampires or Some Other Paranormal Stuff.
Short Circuiting to America in the Big City: That Comedy Set in a Major American City which Features an Outsider, like a robot or an African prince.
Mafia Films: In the Name of Joe Pesci, This Kind of Film Does Not Need To Be Explained.
Swords & Sandals: Bloody Dramas featuring Guys in Skirts Gladiating Their Way to the Kingdom of Heaven.
Admit it, it's the best way to do it.
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Yes. This is exactly what I mean.
ourchair
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I have actually petitioned this proposal more than once in other threads, but they keep getting ignored.
I might be misunderstanding but are you saying take Dreammovie where the pitch is what's important , Dreamcasting where the cast is what's important and combing the two so it's 6 of 1 , half a dozen of another?
If so I love that idea. Would we do the same in the comic one too so say someone says "Superman" we go and design our own superman movie with and villains we want and any continuity we want? Because I think I would prefer that at times. (though I suppose the round general could name a villain as the studios have forced someone to include a villain before)
Also would we be able to use actors who already played the part if we wish?
ourchair
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No and yes.
We'll basically day Dreamcasting is working with existing properties. All versions of dreamcasting is existing properties.
Dreammovie, how I abhor that name, is The Pitch, where the Pitch is important, but there are no established properties generally speaking. Make up a film, based on the chosen template of the round moderator.
Not, "your ideal superman movie" but "a comedy you'd like to see with two unlikely cop partners" or "the kind of epic film re-telling history you'd like to see with some awesome bad *** dude"
Also, here are some of the reasons and thinking behind the design, scattered across multiple posts, with some repetition:
Here, in which DSF assumed I wanted to create more rounds, which I didn't.
Here, where I express minor frustration with the fact that someone made remakes into adaptations when I was in Europe. I only started a second Dreamcasting thread after serious planning and forethought.
Here, in which I attempt to establish a distinction between the ill-thought out Dream Movie, but without fascistically re-iterating my objection to 'adaptations'
Here, where I re-suggest a restructuring to consolidate things again.
Here, where I reiterate the design of division as to why there was never supposed to be a comics-exclusive dreamcast in the first place.
Oh,
I prefer doing existing properties as rule. Mainly because ones with out existing properties for e.g like you said "a comedy you'd like to see with two unlikely cop partners" always gets one "Ultimate Central comedy you'd like to see with two unlikely cop partners" that gets all the votes just because it's UC and feels like a cheap sell out.But I still love your idea
ourchair
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I think two Dreamcast threads for existing properties is enough don't you?Oh,
But I still love your idea
Pitch is for just imagineering stuff like crazy, and if that gives people the license to make a UC-based one, well let them. It's just a game anyway.
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No, no i think you missed what I meant.
I meant can't we have the expanded range and what looks like more fun rules. On the existing ones as well. If not doesn't really matter it's dying anyway.
ourchair
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That was exactly what I was addressing.SSJmole said:
Doing existing properties as a rule, that's the rule for Dreamcast.
Your concern about sell out UC stuff, well let them. It's not terribly imaginative, I agree. But at least it's confined to one out of three threads.
No I was saying I prefer doing the named stuff e.g Batman or The anime one that's currently doing. That uc thing was just one thing I don't like about doing existing ones. I don't really give a **** if anyone does that :lol: I was just saying how we have dreammovie at the moment where it can be either is great and if you removing half of that and not along the dreammovie style to be done to existing stuff then you are pretty much ruining a great part of that.
Sorry for the mix up. It's no biggie I'm just sharing my opinion on it. E.g Take this thread. It could have been even more awesome dreammovie wise as "Further Entries into the Superman series." but not villains movie. E.g Make a returns sequel or superman V if like me you would rather go off original timeline. But that's just my thinking.
ourchair
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You can still do those. They're not being taken away.
I'm not suggesting we remove them, and I understand you want to do name stuff in a dream movie. The problem is that sometimes people just don't do it properly.
If understand you correctly, you want dream movie/the pitch to still take on named properties, and me suggesting they focus on fabricating movie types runs contrary to that.
Well, first off people are supposed to somehow pitch in the dreamcast thread. They don't need to write full detailed pitches, but they pitch the idea of the actor in the role.
For example, if you wanted to pitch Christopher Lloyd as Superman, you could. Obviously that's not 'dreamcasting' the way some people see it, but it's the same kind of casting one would pitch in a dream movie.
And what I don't like is that because rounds in which Dream Movie has dealt with name properties is that people occasionally just act like its a dreamcasting round, but GASP with a synopsis. Oh ****ing wow.
And that's what I like about your entries is that you always put in a pitch, regardless of whether I like your pitches or not. I never cared much for your entries, but it's obvious you tackle your entries in a dream movie, with a concept in mind, with the goal of expanding beyond the confines of dreamcasting.
So, if I understand, by taking that property part of Dream Movie (oh i still abhor that name), you no longer get to exercise that part of yourself. Well, I say, keep doing it, but do it in the Dreamcast thread. You'll up the ante there. for performance, even if people don't care much for the content of the idea. Hell, that's what I did with Ghostbusters, in which I couldn't reasonably make a new cast in Ghostbusters to copy the old cast, so I rewired the characters around the new cast.
Everyone pitches, it just happens in varying degrees. A conservative pitch is Jake Gyllenhaal as Spider-Man. A slightly radical but faithful approach is 40+ John Cusack as the former Spider-Man, retired father of a teenage daughter and an insane approach is the late George Carlin, via CGI as an aging cranky Spider-Man who never got married because all his loves died and now acts like Peter Bagge's Sensational Spider-Man.
In Dreamcasting, you ARE pitching. You're pitching a movie about something that exists in pop culture, with the emphasis on the cast... and on people's preconceptions of the property, whether it's Chad Michael Murray as Batman or Willem Dafoe as the Shadow or Michael J. Fox as Wolverine. But in The Pitch, you'd be dealing with pitching not just the cast, not just the movie, but the ENTIRE danged idea.
In The Pitch, you invent stuff up from scratch.
