Dreamcasting #11 - GHOSTBUSTERS (closes 4th November)

Right, onto my 'critique'.

Ourchair will most likely win because he didn't give us a cast - he gave us a movie.

And a bloody good one. Seriously - it's wonderfully funny, original, and very well conceptualised. Like Langsta who got bonus points from me for casting Dracula as the villain (a bloody awesome idea), I loved the idea that the internet is the villain and that the major non-spiritual antagonist is not an environmental agent, but the head of a massmorg. These are the kinds of decisions which make me giddy with delight. You two created GREAT villains.

But Ourchair doesn't stop - no, he gives us a plot line (a pretty funny one) and some great characters: Winston Zeddemore made me laugh out loud as I imagined him suddenly panicking in the face of a 'ghost'. I think it's a brilliant improvement over the original.
Sincerely, your compliments are very much appreciated. Thank you very much. :)

Bass said:
So - by all rights, Ourchair should be total winatron. However - I like Ourchair's FILM. I'm not sure I like his cast. I don't really care for the Fantastic 4 guy, nor do I know his choice for Venkman well enough. I like Giamatti a lot, but I don't see him as a Ray Stanz. Not only that, I don't know his Winston, Janine - in fact, the only guy I properly know is Justin Long and I think it's a brilliant bit of casting.

So as a cast - I'm not impressed.
I have to admit... I feel that I may have indeed 'cheated' by providing an entire story and gone a little bit out of control. I feel like marvelman's complaint that 'coming up with an entire plot' to be even considered a worthy contender is a legitimate complaint.

But the entire logic I had in mind was this...

I just couldn't imagine how to replace the original Ghostbusters. There really was no way to duplicate Bill Murray or Dan Aykroyd or Harold Ramis or anybody else. I believed that no matter how talented an actor is who would come to take over their roles, they were essentially... inimitable.

So the next best thing I could think of was to find actors who could create performances that were faithful to the way the writers had conceived them... but without attempting to duplicate the portrayals... and remain true in spirit.

  • Aaron Eckhart is miles away from being anything like Bill Murray but I pictured him as a version of Peter who relies on his smarts more often than Murray's Peter --- who was always stated as being a college professor. Eckhart is intended to bring to the surface an aspect of the character that Murray made largely invisible.

  • Paul Giamatti is an odd bird who uses a largely comical bag of tricks for dramatic purposes. You can't replace Aykroyd's obssessive energy and strangely child-like vacuousness, but Giamatti could at least channel the same intensity into a kind of 'dispassionate wonder' that would remain faithful to the idea of what Ray was always about. If you've ever listened to Henry Jenkins --- an MIT professor who does social commentary on geek culture and fandom --- on a podcast or seen him on TV, that's the Ray I'm looking at.

  • Egon Spengler often gets mistakenly described as 'rigid', 'stuffy', 'self-serious' or 'humorless' when he's not. He's just really ****ing boring. Harold Ramis perfected this kind of dull drone that really made the Egon character what he was... a guy who can tell a joke with the most boring intonation. I wanted Ioan because there's a certain way he breathes in through his mouth and furrows his brow that clamps down on whatever emotions his characters may be feeling at any given moment, and I felt that would do well for Egon.

  • Winston Zeddemore, I felt had no other defining characteristic than being the everyman... though I do like that touch where he says that "If there's a buck in it, I'll believe in anything you want..." A character like Zeddemore was humorous without resorting to 'Psycho Negro' shenanigans like say Chris Rock or Chris Tucker or Eddie Murphy. He's the disbeliever, and so I thought, why not turn it on its head by making Winston a 'believer in denial'? Hence the idea of bringing in King, who turned the act of 'macho black toughness' into a humorous act of uptightness... (I think Keith David works on a similar level).

I could go on and on and talk about the other characters, but what it all boils down to is this... that despite the motivation given above, and the individual criteria for each actor... I knew that I couldn't present the cast and expect everyone to 'get it'.

And so, the story was born... the story came about as a way to justify the casting choices.

Peter was the best candidate to get the boot from the university. Making Raymond a pal made it easier to get him kicked out too. Stripping Raymond of any engineering skills and giving them ALL to Egon made him indispensable to them but it would be ludicrous to make him another university reject, so I had to de-age him... which permitted a more 'indebted' academic relationship.

It was a pull between giving new actors liberty to not be wedded to the old portrayals, and a push to change the characters to fit their chemistry better. Everything flowed from that idea.

So sorry guys if I went too far. :oops:
 
Ice, for your own personal safety, I would ask that you never put Nathan Fillion and Famke Janssen within SEVEN words of each other.

Better yet would be not to mention Nathan Fillion in the same sentence with any actor/actress who has done a decent film in modern history.

As an example, you could say "I hate Nathan Fillion but Charle Chaplin was an innovator", because Charlie Chaplin was doing movies back in the silent days before "talkies".

However, you couldn't say "Why the hell do people in Hollywood hire Nathan Fillion? WOW, that George Clooney is knockin' 'em dead in Ocean's 13!" Because that's less than seven words between "Fillion" and "George", and George is a great actor of modern history (let's just forget his turn at playing Batman, though, shall we?).

Dig?

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I don't care if I've used it before.

I disagree with the suggestion that we should 'forget' Clooney's portrayal of Batman.

Clooney is on record for saying that he played Batman as gay.

Which I think is great.

Because that's why I loved his Batman.

Really? That sounds like "Hmm... I ****ed up. Let's pretend I ****ed up on purpose and be cool." I dunno.

So sorry guys if I went too far. :oops:

You absolutely did not and everyone should be so awesome.

That said, I'm not voting for you. If this was a Dreamcreating thread, you'd win. But it's just about the cast. You're story - top notch, deserves a prize - your cast - for me - meh. :D
 
Ice, for your own personal safety, I would ask that you never put Nathan Fillion and Famke Janssen within SEVEN words of each other.

Better yet would be not to mention Nathan Fillion in the same sentence with any actor/actress who has done a decent film in modern history.

As an example, you could say "I hate Nathan Fillion but Charle Chaplin was an innovator", because Charlie Chaplin was doing movies back in the silent days before "talkies".

However, you couldn't say "Why the hell do people in Hollywood hire Nathan Fillion? WOW, that George Clooney is knockin' 'em dead in Ocean's 13!" Because that's less than seven words between "Fillion" and "George", and George is a great actor of modern history (let's just forget his turn at playing Batman, though, shall we?).

Dig?
:sure:

What's wrong with having Nathan Fillion and Famke Jannsen together? I see nothing wrong typing the names (Nathan Fillion and Famke Jannsen) regardless of who did what in movies. I mean, it's just Nathan Fillion and Famke Jannsen having their names close together. I would understand (not really) if Nathan Fillion and Famke Jannsen were like dating or something in real life (no worries- Nathan Fillion and Famke Jannsen are not dating in real life), but they're not. So yeah: Nathan Fillion and Famke Jannsen.

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:)
 
You absolutely did not and everyone should be so awesome.

That said, I'm not voting for you. If this was a Dreamcreating thread, you'd win. But it's just about the cast. You're story - top notch, deserves a prize - your cast - for me - meh. :D
Nuh-uh! You imaginary vote for me! Imaginary votes count!

All kidding aside, what I meant to say was that I wrote the forum's most elaborate 'why they would be perfect for the part' ever in the history of Dreamcasting.
 
:sure:

What's wrong with having Nathan Fillion and Famke Jannsen together? I see nothing wrong typing the names (Nathan Fillion and Famke Jannsen) regardless of who did what in movies. I mean, it's just Nathan Fillion and Famke Jannsen having their names close together. I would understand (not really) if Nathan Fillion and Famke Jannsen were like dating or something in real life (no worries- Nathan Fillion and Famke Jannsen are not dating in real life), but they're not. So yeah: Nathan Fillion and Famke Jannsen.

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:)
Who is this Famke Jannsen person you are speaking of?

I know another actress named Famke Janssen, who happens to be the world's sexiest handsome man.
 
Who is this Famke Jannsen person you are speaking of?

I know another actress named Famke Janssen, who happens to be the world's sexiest handsome man.

Was he the guy that James Bond almost had sex with in Goldeneye? Mmmmm. . .Onatopp.
 
Who is this Famke Jannsen person you are speaking of?

I know another actress named Famke Janssen, who happens to be the world's sexiest handsome man.

The ****ing Hope Diamond created by the always incredible Alec Baldwin!

I would've hit. Even after I found out.


Obscure FX reference FTW!
 
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So this contest has closed now, but my PM box is 99% full and I can't be arsed to clean it.

*sigh*

I'll get to cleaning it now...
 
SILENCE, IMPUDENT WHELP!

Also, I have space now. So PM me or whatever. I hate running these games. BUT I DO LIKE WINNING!

OH! THE AMBIVALENCE!
 

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