Dollhouse - Whedon/Minear/Dushku Back To TV

I watched episode 4. It was good but it wasn't good enough to make me watch this show regularly. It is too inconsistent and often tries to trick me with the occasional good episode but I shall not fall for it!

Firefly deserved a second season more than Dollhouse. :(
 
I hope they replace it with a new Seth MacFarlane show.
 
I'd be more upset if I didn't think it was kinda due. The whole "post-apocalypse" thing was really all that was holding it together, and they didn't capitalize on it enough in season 2. Instead of doing those stories they decided to do more "Echo's engagement goes awry" which was the most boring aspect of the show.

FIREFLY upsets me because there's so much we didn't see. DOLLHOUSE upsets me not because it got cancelled, but because it could've been so, so much better.
 
Yeah, I was saying much of the same the other day...

Firefly never had the chance to live, regardless of whether it would have been great.

Dollhouse had the opportunity, and never found its footing, save for a few episodes towards the end of the first season... and they threw that away for more boring Echo nonsense.
 
Angel was also canceled.

But it lasted.

If it had been in the first season you'd have a point, but 5 seasons? That's pretty good.

Hardly a "black hole" that's just exaggerating.
 
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It was still cancelled meaning that people eventually lost interest. and the previous season wasn't very explosive either. Plus Friday night is the tv graveyard, it was doomed for cancellation.
 
Nobody watches Heroes anymore. That'll be cancelled in spring when even fewer people come back from the winter break.
 
After seeing the latest two episodes of Dollhouse, I hate Fox even more.

They were awesome.


Senator Perrin prepares to show his hand, and holds a press conference announcing the existence of the Dollhouse. backed up with a surprise witness, Mellie/Maddie/November. She has been shown evidence of the things she did as a Doll and comes forward to help bring down Rossum and the Dollhouse.

DeWitt and the crew, while watching this unfold come across evidence that makes Perrin's wife potentially not who she says she is, and when Perrin says "it was like she was built for me", come to the conclusion she is a Doll, implanted as a sleeper by Rossum. They determine she may be there to take down November, and send Ballard to disable her and kidnap November, using a device Topher has been working on to scramble Dolls based on Alpha's remote wipe tech. Meanwhile, Perrin is drugged and Echo is imprinted as an escort named Bree and sent to get blackmail evidence on him.

After Perrin works out that EchoBree is a Doll, he drags her to his house to see his wife 'who may be able to help her'. As they pull into the driveway, Ballard activates the disruptor, which cripples November but has no effect on Cindy. Outside, both Echo and Perrin collapse, revealing that Rossum's doll was in fact Perrin all along, set up to totally exonerate Rossum at the Senate hearings and then be in a position to set up new laws etc that Rossum require.

Unfortunately, the disruptor has now screwed with both Echo and Perrin's minds and they freak out and go on the run. We find out that Perrin isn't a true Doll, but was a real person who has been 'improved' and set up as Rossum's inside man. Cindy is also his handler. Eventually Echo and Perrin are captured by the DC Dollhouse, who plan to reimplant Perrin as he should be and send him off to do what he is supposed to... while Echo is tortured by Bennet, the DC Topher.

That's the first episode anyway. It was a proper, classic Whedon show. In a word, awesome.

A fun showdown between Cindy and Echo over Perrin leads to a great line.. "You just woke up a lot of people... and they all think you're a *****."
 
That line screamed, "I am so ready for quotage".

Anyhow, this two-parter was... well, you can work it out.

Echo is in most of it.

Is it good or bad?

It is mostly bad. Not only that, but I am reminded why I was disappointed to hear season 2 didn't follow directly from "Epitaph One". This episode had lots of twists and turns and then it got railroaded to fit the future. The ending just didn't work.

The problem with super-sci-fi tech is that once you make a rule, you stick to it. When Echo explains she remembers everything and she's essentially Alpha, it doesn't work when she does things Echo doesn't want to do but the imprint does. There is no reason for Echo to pretend to be Bree. This is what aggravates me. Echo knows what she is and has control - she's demonstrated several times, almost every damn episode.

By the same token, Topher is staring at Perrin's brain and can work out if he's in assassin mode and what not, and yet doesn't see the final play. And how could he see him anyway? Didn't they take out the GPS things that had the bio-link? Doesn't that mean that Bennet couldn't imprint the assassin? Blah blah blah.

And Rossum's plan is stupid. I hate these super secret societies whose plan is so overly complex, no one in that situation would ever allow it to happen. Rossum wants a president who works for them.

They can do that with something called "money'. Campaign financing. If they DID want a doll, all they had to do was pick any damn senator who looked like he could be president and "enhance" him to like Rossum. And then, they can use him to "enhance" more people (please meet me in the oval office alone - zap) and you've made a coup without anyone knowing your name. Why would you create a plan which, if it doesn't succeed completely will leave you as a company branded with human trafficking and murder? Why? Why not just do it without anyone knowing? See... if you're a secret organisation, then you stay secret. It's a stupid ass plan and it made no sense. The "shock twists" were predictable. I knew, as soon as Echo said Mrs Perrin was a doll, that Perrin was going to be the doll. I knew because that's the cheap-twist it was going to be. What I couldn't work out was why. Why would Rossom do it? And it occurred to me, "Oh, because it's a double-bluff". Here's the thing, who are they double-bluffing? These gambits wind me up because all the double-bluffing is to bluff the audience. That's right. Rossom was trying to outbluff us. Or the writers were. It's just blerg. Winds me up so damn much.

Especially since, if Perrin has to be a doll, why not make him a doll for a company like Rossum but not actually Rossom? Why not a rival Dollhouse. That has recruited Alpha. That will WAR with Rossom and create the doom future. What if, as bad as Rossom is, they're one step behind a much worse, much more despicable corporation. What if Perrin is supposed to destroy Rossom and help out this new company, and it ends with Rossom switching it to exactly the speech Perrin just made?

Yay! The Dollhouse and Rossom saved the US from an evil corporat... waitaminute. We've seen Epitaph One. We know where this is going.

Now imagine the ending montage with everyone happy, DeWitt and Topher rewarded, Rossum in charge of the White House, and an ominous glance from Echo and Ballard as they realise that Rossum is going to abuse Perrin just like the competitors would've...

No. Instead, let's have the episode end with Echo getting a bump on the head, which messes up the imprint, and she has to run away from a man who's trying to kill her until she finds her inner strength and beats him up. Let's do that. Every ****ing week.

Badness aside - I adored Victor as Topher and I adored Topher and Bennet. In other words, Topher is awesome. Also, DeWitt's "bluff" was ****ing wonderful.
 
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OK then, opinions on the last two episodes?

Episode 1
- Echo on the run with Ballard. I found that more of a side issue to what was going down in the Dollhouse. DeWitt was demoted, Topher put on R&D. And Topher develops a remote wipe gun.

He has also realized Rossum is developing the very thing that leads to Epitaph One. Not only that, but he worked out how to build it while working out what they were trying to build.

He goes to DeWitt with his concerns, who stabs him in the back, steals the plans, gives them over to Rossum and gets her old job back. DeWitt takes a nice evil turn there.

Oh and Echo gets locked up to see what's going on with her. Coolest thing? Random access to skills and such, for example, she hops onto a motorbike and is asked if she can ride one. She pauses then just replies "I do now."


Episode 2 - QUOTABLE LINE!!

"He's more of a man than you'll ever be. And you're like 40 guys."

Any episode rocks when it has Alpha in it. Our favourite serial killer has decided to get his kicks killing every client who ever had echo programmed to 'love' them. Topher finds this out when Sierra's current imprint mentions meeting a guy called Alpha with a message for them.
They sneak one of the clients into the DH to keep him safe. DeWitt wants him moved to a hotel so Alpha walks out of her toilet and makes a suggestion. They really need to work on security.
Turns out Alpha was reprogrammed Sierra with a virus that spread to the chairs and all the Actives who used it since. He pulls out a new toy, and it turns all the Actives into crazed serial killers who attack everyone else. Meanwhile, Alpha attacks Topher and the client. Uses them as bait to get to Ballard who he thinks Echo is in love with. Echo busts in just as Alpha tears Ballard's personality from his brain leaving him brain-dead, and has implanted it in himself. Echo and Alpha fight for a while, then Ballard surfaces briefly telling Echo to kill him, but she can't and Alpha escapes again.
 
I only just saw the first episode, but ARRRRRG.

The episode has Trinity - I mean, Echo - going around downloading skills and breaking a girl out of prison. During this break-out, she has a handler watching her (Ballard), and pretends to be a nurse. She then gets a headache and problems arise in her false personality, causing her to scupper the mission. She then finds renewed strength and beats up her male oppressors.

AGAIN.

I'm glad this show is cancelled. The same damn thing every week. Redneck cops beating on spanish women just because? REALLY? I remember when Whedon shows would take a stereotype or cliche and play with it. Look, not once has a Whedon show been predictable. DOLLHOUSE is so mind-numbingly repetitive, it's just a crappy QUANTUM LEAP.

BUT!!! Someone thought to focus on Echo when the backstory is a powerful intrigue in the Dollhouse between DeWitt, Boyd, Topher, and Harding, culminating in Harding getting access to tech that will destroy the world. During which, DeWitt wrestles with her conscience and chooses to do the wrong thing.

And that plays second fiddle to montage sequences of Echo fighting people men in sweats.

I ****ing hate this show. Good it's cancelled. It's such a desperately damn shame since the DeWitt story was brilliant. ARRG.
 
Just saw the second episode.

It was very exciting. Echo is absent for the majority of it.

Alpha shows off a version of the machine that will destroy humanity, which is super cool. Everything was great.

One thing I don't get - why couldn't they imprint Ballard with the imprint Alpha used? It's still in the chair. Shouldn't they be able to just reboot Ballard?

Also... was Ballard in Epitaph One? I thought he was.

WEIRDNESS! Apparently the second episode next week is directed by John "Planetary" Cassaday! How weird!
 
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One thing I don't get - why couldn't they imprint Ballard with the imprint Alpha used? It's still in the chair. Shouldn't they be able to just reboot Ballard?


WEIRDNESS! Apparently the second episode next week is directed by John "Planetary" Cassaday! How weird!

Knowing Alpha he probably destroyed or at least stole the drive with it on.

Next week also has the return of the CIA guy they sent to the attic.
 

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