Civil War series discussion (spoilers)

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Awesome. Thanks...

But if this is going to fall into the background now...

Where do you think the story is going to go next?

I'm thinking that it has a lot to do with the classified disc that Reed didn't let Susan see...

Also, I think Johnny Storm will die, and Sue will divorce Reed.
 
I don't think Johnny will die. And as much as what's happening, I don't believe that Sue would divorce Reed. The team would definetly break up as I think that has been said, and that would last for a little while.
 
if you guys will watch the firsr 30 minutes of the incredibles you will see where marvel is getting there ideas
 
hey guys. not to belabor the issue.... but i'm gonna belabor the issue a little bit about my ny post spoiler griping from a few days ago. these are from an article from Sequart about spoilers in general in the comic world, and the spidey unmasking in particular:

"The most surprising thing about this situation is not the fact that Marvel has chosen to unmask one of comics' oldest heroes (what, you don't see any laugh lines?). Rumors about Spider-man unmasking have been circulating for some time, and given the subject of secret identities at stake in the company-wide crossover, a development of this kind has almost become expected. Having the New York Post break the story, on the other hand, was not expected."

"If publishers such as Marvel feel that the spoiled surprise for purist fans is an acceptable sacrifice to lure in more potential buyers that may just want to see if Peter Parker actually goes through with it, that's their call. However, it is thoroughly unfair to those readers that wish to take advantage of the story's drama. There are plenty of stalwart fans out there that do manage to avoid spoilers and make the most out of their comic book enjoyment; when the next issue's big event is spoiled by your morning newspaper, that's just downright rude. Marvel should know better than that, but if their only concern is to sell more issues, well, they certainly found a way to accomplish that."

here, here.

and here's the full article:
http://www.sequart.com/columns/?col=17
 
So, once Peter realizes that all his villains are going to go after his family, he's going to switch sides?
 
ProjectX2 said:
So, once Peter realizes that all his villains are going to go after his family, he's going to switch sides?

i figure he'll switch after one of them is whacked. or he may persevere, or become the center voice of reason, who knows.

i've thought about the unmasking, and i thinkt hat people haven't really been discussing 2 things. a major topic of discussion is that an unmasked peter goes against what his book was originally about, just as JQ talks about how a married peter goes against what this book was originally like. but i believe a counter to this argument is that Spider-man is a character of innovation. Now, since the comic rennaisance in the 80s that spawned high concept books, it may not seem like it, but Spider-man was always meant to be an atypical hero. Stan Lee wanted it to be a kid, he wanted him to be an everyman, he wanted him to be based after a revulsive creature. He wanted to make Spider-man these things because that is not what characters were like back in the day. And it worked! Spider-man being different was what made him popular. One can argue that him getting married is an extension of experimenting with comics in general through Peter, as many characters still weren't married then.

What I think the unmasking does is help push Spider-man in a direction that has not been taking by the major comic book characters. Spider-man has been kind of tame lately, and I think that's largely due to the acceptance of the status quo. Spider-man's formula works, and thus it is kept the same. But Spider-man is meant to be different than other heros, and if all the other heros nowadays are like Spider-man, Peter is no longer interesting. The unmasking does this. Now some people say, "oh, there are plenty of public superheroes." To this I respond, "Not many, and none of them are as big as Spider-man." The most popular characters go Superman, Batman, Spider-man. The secret identity is very important to all 3 of these characters. Spider-man is the first very major character to go in a public direction. He is once again different.

Another facet of Spider-man's character is perseverance through tragedy. Some say it would be his main character trait. He has survived through tons of loss, all these bad things that are happening to him because he tries to do the right thing, and he keeps on doing the right thing because it is right. To Peter, unmasking himself and trying to legitimize heroes is the right thing to do. It's the responsible thing to do. And yes, he's going to get hammered by villains for it. But for this to happen and for Spider-man to survive it is an integral part of the character. A happy, care-free Spider-man, as much as we all want to see him, is not the best Spider-man for stories.

So these two major points are the reasons I support the unmasking of Spider-man. Change is good when it makes sense (i.e. no spider-wolverine claws due to mystical powers that are weird and cure cancer). In a situation like this, there is a chance Spider-man would do this. Great power, great responsibility.

As a minor note, I'm pretty sure that a majority of Spider-man's more important villains already know his identity. Osborn has known for years, Venom and MacGargan know, and they are on that cover to number 5. Bullseye didn't know, but I think he is on that cover more for coolness factor. These characters could have gone after Spider-man and his family any time in recent history. This is what Millar did in his run of Spectacular. So the New Avengers know, 2 most major villains know (where has Ock gone, btw?), SHIELD knows... Peter's secret identity ain't exactly what it used to be. The issue at hand is more one of the public and Superheroes, as compared to Supervillains and Superheroes.

So those are my reasons. Hurrah.
 
Well, as of recently he has been having a hard time keeping the mask on. I think Spider Woman even commented on it in one of the 1st NA comics. Maybe 6,7.
 
As for his secret identity not being what it used to be, you've got a point, but there is a big difference between having your nemesis know your identity and having everyone knowing it. Now any jack *** with a rifle can take a shot at your loved ones if they feel the urge.
 
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Now, who predicted that they were going to get divorced??

Was it... Me?

Because I think it WAS.
 
Dr.Strangefate said:
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Now, who predicted that they were going to get divorced??

Was it... Me?

Because I think it WAS.
You think that automatically means divorce? :?

It can mean many things, but that automaticall mean, "WE'RE THROUGH!"

Even if it's brought up, I don't think they'll actually go through with it.
 
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Dr.Strangefate said:
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Now, who predicted that they were going to get divorced??

Was it... Me?

Because I think it WAS.

Dude....you can't call it on account of the cover. This goes back to the whole "False Cover" arguement. Your pschic powers are weak homey. Go back to dinosaur noises. :p
 
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I think the cover to FF just means that Valeria is going to find a BB-Gun and accidently shoot a beloved family photo, and the whole issue will be Reed and Sue teaching the kids about how violence is dangerous, followed by Reed and Sue having dirty wild-animal sex while making their favorite birdcalls.
 
Yeah, sorry Doc, but it's a little early to be puffing your chest out about that.
 
Dr.Strangefate said:
FF541_cov_renamed_13374.jpg

Now, who predicted that they were going to get divorced??

Was it... Me?

Because I think it WAS.

but when has a comic's cover ever been what happens in the actual book?
 
Dr.Strangefate said:
FF541_cov_renamed_13374.jpg

Now, who predicted that they were going to get divorced??

Was it... Me?

Because I think it WAS.
The reason I don't think they're getting divorced is because them getting divorced would be a bigger deal than Spiderman getting unmasked and there hasn't been enough hype for a move like that.

p.s. This discussion should really be moved to the solit thread.
 
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