007 Chronological Viewing Order

Megatron said:
if i own my work i can enforce it indeed, i can even cancel projects that deviates from my view.
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Sure, but since it's FICTION, people can also add/remove/ignore anything they want to because none of it ever happened! It's all made up make believe LOL
 
Megatron said:
you forgot second part "ANOTHER GROUP WITH A THUMBS UP FROM THE ORIGINAL CREATORS". And yes they're wrong if they think that.
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Nope, didn't forget anything. I ignored it because it doesn't matter. The original creators aren't always considered (Disney ignored Lucas during the Sequel Trilogy development for instance).

It sounds to me like you shouldn't watch the EON movies because they deviate from Fleming's original intent too much. You should just stick to the novels. And no, they aren't "wrong' they simply have a different preference than YOU.
 
Dallas Kinard said:
The term canon derives from the Greek κανών (kanon), meaning "rule", and thence via Latin and Old French into English.[1] The concept in English usage is very broad: in a general sense it refers to being one (adjectival) or a group (noun) of official, authentic or approved rules or laws, particularly ecclesiastical; or group of official, authentic, or approved literary or artistic works, such as the literature of a particular author, of a particular genre, or a particular group of religious scriptural texts;[2] or similarly, one or a body of rules, principles, or standards accepted as axiomatic and universally binding in a religion, or a field of study or art.[3]

It's not mutually exclusive to scripture. But again that's a debate for another thread, certainly not this one.
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even better than.

Dallas Kinard said:
Their books and movies are "real" in the sense that they physically exist as books and film reels/discs. But the stories are fiction. Are you really making this argument because if you are, this is getting to pure absurdity at this point. Fiction isn't real!
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and so? We aren't in Loony Toons. It's a semi-realistic word.

Dallas Kinard said:
Right, so we have no evidence Bond can fly. He had to use a Jetpack and that's evidence he can't. If someone posits gravity doesn't exist, they just need to provide some evidence for it and then we can interpret the evidence like we do for literally everything else in fiction.
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not really.... when I see a detective movie i don't think that a character could have potentially superpowers.

Dallas Kinard said:
Terms change. Meanings of words change. Get with the times bro.
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terms EVOLVE.

Dallas Kinard said:
I never did. YOU are saying that I did to make some weird point on here. I think you just like to argue so you can appear "correct" on this forum.
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with you now and on the MCU thread, i only argued 2 times in this site..... against, how many years I'm here? 2 years..... It seems that i wanna argue random? And why would I need that?

Dallas Kinard said:
Eh, they are just people too. We are all fans at the end of the day and nobody is above another.
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then write your own James Bond movie (and before you answer with "this is the kind of toxic answrs i don't like" well... going with logic, if everyone is the same, why don't you write your own movie or story? I'm asking that in a serious way. Cos like everywhere there are people who works and says things are canon.

Dallas Kinard said:
I never once did call it "official" lol stop putting words in my mouth!
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then it's an headcanon....

Dallas Kinard said:
Cool story bro. Lazenby Bond disagrees.
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you disagree*. Tho it's not a fact.

Dallas Kinard said:
None of the "theories" exist in the movies. But there is EVIDENCE that points us to them being possible. Like OHMSS (I will never stop saying it as long as I breath).
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then gets destroyed by other scenes in the movies itself and then the following ones.

Dallas Kinard said:
Source? I want "official" word of EON that Connery - Brosnan is 100% "the same guy" without a shadow of a doubt. I'll wait.
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you said you would have ignored it anyway, so it's useless to send it....

Dallas Kinard said:
Oh so that website means it's "official" huh?
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it's a dictionary online...

Dallas Kinard said:
But EON's "official" canon is different than Fleming's book canon....so which one is correct?
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EON.

Dallas Kinard said:
Um, definitions can be subjective because people have different experiences and perspectives. For example, what "success" means to a business person may be different from what it means to an artist. So sometimes they ARE subjective. You would know this if you paid better attention in your studies.
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nope, when i say a term you can associate with different images, like if i tell you home, you could imagine a little cottage, or an appartment or your own house, this is SUBJECTIVE, but the meaning of the word is OBJECTIVE.
 
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Dallas Kinard said:
Nope, didn't forget anything. I ignored it because it doesn't matter. The original creators aren't always considered (Disney ignored Lucas during the Sequel Trilogy development for instance).

It sounds to me like you shouldn't watch the EON movies because they deviate from Fleming's original intent too much. You should just stick to the novels. And no, they aren't "wrong' they simply have a different preference than YOU.
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cos he sold the rights, so Disney has them now, so they're now the original, that's why i only specified that Lucas was important with the old EU.
 
@Pro Bot is it possible that James Bond: Origins and the Casino Royale comic are set in both the Novel Universe and the Sean Connery-Pierce Brosnan Universe?
 
Megatron said:
cos he sold the rights, so Disney has them now, so they're now the original, that's why i only specified that Lucas was important with the old EU.
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You've PM'd me about this topic and we'll keep it there. This is a 007 only thread and I'm keeping it that way.
 
Megatron said:
nope they can't.... If they did they do what ifs on that. Like the deviations line with X-Files and Transformers.
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lol yes they can actually. It's FICTION. What part of that doesn't make sense to you? It's literally ALL make believe and made up stories. Anyone can do whatever the heck they want with them and you can't stop them.
 
"even better than."

Not sure what you mean, but this sounds like your opinion so have at it.



"and so? We aren't in Loony Toons. It's a semi-realistic word."

Again, not sure what point you are making here. Are you saying Bond isn't Loony Toons? Idk JW Pepper seems pretty Loony Toons IMO. And btw you are making my point. 007 DOES indeed fit into a semi-realistic world where there are no such things as ageless timelords or super-soldiers or sliding timelines. Codenames, however, WERE established to be quite real and used by at least a few individuals (M and Q come to mind).



"not really.... when I see a detective movie i don't think that a character could have potentially superpowers."


Why not? Is it possible? You need to start asking yourself that question more often. Remember, this is FICTION. I'll keep on saying it and you'll apparently keep on ignoring it.


"terms EVOLVE."

Yep, and change too.


"with you now and on the MCU thread, i only argued 2 times in this site..... against, how many years I'm here? 2 years..... It seems that i wanna argue random? And why would I need that?"

Idk you seem pretty heated about this franchise and this idea. Not sure why, because this is all fiction. Take a deep breath and enjoy yourself. Stop obsessing with people who disagree with you on FICTION.


"then write your own James Bond movie (and before you answer with "this is the kind of toxic answrs i don't like" well... going with logic, if everyone is the same, why don't you write your own movie or story?"

I'm not much of a writer. But if I did write one, I would consider it "canon" until something outright contradicted it and then I would put it in an alternate timeline because, wait for it - FICTION! Who knows, maybe I will write something some day. And I'll drive people like you crazy because I'll count it as "official"! You can't stop me!

"I'm asking that in a serious way. Cos like everywhere there are people who works and says things are canon."

Sure, and it doesn't mean anything really. It's all subjective because FICTION.


"then it's an headcanon...."

Yep, I used my head to interpret what I watched in the movie. So "head-canon" if you will.


"you disagree*. Tho it's not a fact."

The dialogue spoken IS a fact, I watched the movie. Did you?



"then gets destroyed by other scenes in the movies itself and then the following ones."

Define "destroyed"? I call it adding further context and evidence to sort out. There are "solutions" to pretty much everything in the world of FICTION.


"you said you would have ignored it anyway, so it's useless to send it...."

Still waiting. My DM's are open.


"it's a dictionary online..."


And? This is a forum online. What's your point?


"EON."

Says who?


"nope, when i say a term you can associate with different images, like if i tell you home, you could imagine a little cottage, or an appartment or your own house, this is SUBJECTIVE, but the meaning of the word is OBJECTIVE."

Lol not it's not. "home" can mean a few different things. It can be a place where someone lives permanently OR temporarily. The earth is the "home" of everything on it. Space is the "home" of the Earth. The galaxy is the "home" of our solar system. So it all depends. I could say "I live on this forum" and everyone knows what I mean. There are literal and non-literal ways to say things.

Now, go and touch some grass bro, you have completely de-railed this thread almost single handedly. I'm ready to get back to the point of this thread - the timeline itself. Everything else be damned.
 
Ok let's see if we can agree on something! @Pro Bot mentioned The Man from Uncle movie that Bond cameo's in. Should I include the series as canon to this universe? It's not on Blu-ray yet so getting high definition screenshots is out of the question. I believe it has a spin-off called "the girl from Uncle".
 
If you do though, well, then I'd have no excuse for not adding The Man from U.N.C.L.E. to the Batman (1966) timeline, so...

Go ahead! :p

Okay, the reason why is that they couldn't 100% confirm that it's Bond for legal reasons. However, the evidence for it actually being THE James Bond is this:
A secret agent played by George Lazenby called JB who drives an Aston Martin, wears a white tux, is "just like On Her Majesty's Secret Service" (possibly an in-universe fictionalised film about Bond), and has a take on James Bond's theme. Additionally, The Man From U.N.C.L.E. was produced by MGM while MGM distributed the James Bond film series. The scene only works if you understand that the cameo IS James Bond.
 
Pro Bot said:
If you do though, well, then I'd have no excuse for not adding The Man from U.N.C.L.E. to the Batman (1966) timeline, so...

Go ahead! :p

Okay, the reason why is that they couldn't 100% confirm that it's Bond for legal reasons. However, the evidence for it actually being THE James Bond is this:
A secret agent played by George Lazenby called JB who drives an Aston Martin, wears a white tux, is "just like On Her Majesty's Secret Service" (possibly an in-universe fictionalised film about Bond), and has a take on James Bond's theme. Additionally, The Man From U.N.C.L.E. was produced by MGM while MGM distributed the James Bond film series. The scene only works if you understand that the cameo IS James Bond.
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Ok sounds good enough to me. Now I don't have the series on DVD is it available to stream anywhere? It's definitely going to take time for me to eventually watch it and timeline each and every episode.
 
barryh said:
There are a lot of Bond spoofs, I don't think they belong on a chronology.







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Are we positive the Lazenby one is just a parody? And in "The Master" it's stated that "Mallory" IS a codename! So I def. think that could be James.
 
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Pro Bot said:
The Lazenby one is more of a plot point than a parody though. They need help, Bond comes to the rescue.
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Yea I'm counting 1984's The Master and The Man From UNCLE. Both seem to be legit cameos. I LOVE that he's going by "Mallory" as one of his codenames. "It's as good as any." Any what Mr. Lazenby? Any codenames???
 
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