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If he's brainwashed to believe he's Bond, he shouldn't be aware of "the other fellow" or that "this never happened to him" etc.

This depends on what exact theory you want to ascribe to. Perhaps this Bond didn't go through the exact same brainwashing as the previous guy. Or perhaps there is no brainwashing at all and they are all just "James Bond" (the alias) and each of them signs up to take on the backstory given to them by MI6. "If you sign up with us, here is your new name, identity and backstory." Ya know, super top secret spy organization stuff.

The point is, there is no 100% canon answer within the films themselves. It's a muddy franchise and you can either try to make sense of it in as logical a way as possible (me) or you can simply choose to ignore the discrepancies. Nobody is "right" or "wrong" here.
 
so the brainwashing actually further proves that line was a 4th wall breaking, interesting...
No, actually it doesn't. The line either is to be taken literally OR Lazenby is like Deadpool and can break the 4th wall, is aware he's in a movie and then the entire franchise falls apart into self-parody.
 
I was thinking that all of the time, but didn't want to cause a bigger argument.
But that now that you mention it...
So according to the brainwashing theory all of them believe themselves to be a man called James Bond and they are all coworkers but they never realice that something weird is going on?
Of course you were....

Perhaps they know of a predecessor but don't know he was the previous "James Bond". They may just be aware of 007 agents. MI6 is a large organization. Forgive me if I'm misremembering, but aren't you the guy who thinks Bond could be a super soldier using some serum to not age? Or he's a timelord or some "weird sci-fi shit"?
 
In your opinion. I take it literally and seriously. We fundamentally disagree on this key point and I'm not going to convince you otherwise.
not in my opinion. Like I'll do an analogy, what you're syaing is that in a video game with 2 endings both are canon, just what you think is right. Nope, one of them MUST be canon. If start with I disagree you're giving me the idea you're just ignoring canon and going into headcannon (which is fine, just say it out loud).

It's not "just to explain" the different actors, there is actual precedent for it. Again, M and Q (and I believe Blofeld) are confirmed code-names. Heck you even agree 007 itself is a code-name, you just don't think James Bond is. So code-names are a thing in this universe, you just don't like the idea that the main character is using one.
i like the idea of the main character using a code-name, infact Bond uses OO7 as the code-name.

Simplicity doesn't equal correct. And again, OHMSS at minimum muddies the "it's jus a recast bruh" framing you've got going. How many times must we keep hitting this point until you finally
until me finally what? And still it doesn't as their points can be explained with evidence inside the movies themself or going meta with their crew, while you're going with smt that it doesn't exist. And if you don't like simplicity, let's go with probability, at MAX the code-name theroy can be true at 35%.

I know you believe this, but as I've stated MANY times, I disagree due to dialogue in this very same film. When will you understand we have a fundamental disagreement on this movie?
still one of them MUST be canon, you can't have both as canon, so again, what are your evidences? And here too it's headcannon.

That's of course one way, not the only way, to look at it. I perceive it differently than you, go figure.
AKA Headcannon.

I'm simply going by what we see on-screen. She flirts with both Connery and Lazenby, so clearly she's into both of them.
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You know Lebron James shoots hoops almost exactly the same way Jordan did...it's almost like they have the same technique. Steve Rogers and Sam Wilson both know how to throw a shield in the same way...yawn, this proves nothing dude.
cos they're trained for them, are you telling me that they train "every Bond" to do the hat trick or to eat the same way? (these are serious questions).

Yes, the different 007 agents all share the same co-workers...not that deep.
or more probably (see? The word came back) becouse it's the same man?

You are familiar with what a THEORY is right? We've been over this. Nobody is saying that the official word from EON backs this idea up. NO ONE.
so again this isn't canon, but just your headcannon (in this case).

Yes, nothing you have quoted here refutes the theory bro. If you'll recall, you think Bond being a sci-fi timelord dude makes more sense than MI6 being good at brainwashing it's agents. Let's keep it in context pal.
i don't believe in both, tho i have the time lord theory as more probable (oh again) cos it plays with the different actors, the brainwash thing is made by the fans it's like a whole off-screen storyline, so now Goku SSJ5 and more is canon? Theories are mostly headcannons and never creates storylines.

I never once said the films spell it out for us, we have to sometimes infer things to make sense of them. You do understand how this works right? Rarely in any franchise is everything spelled out in a black and white manner. Sometimes vagueness is part of the fun. You need to understand that we are talking FICTION here. You really are taking this entire thing quite seriously and I'm not sure why. Have some more fun my guy.
so i can take star trek and have my theory that says that kirk is a kilngon brainwashed into a human? Makes that canon? Nope, tho it can be an headcannon which is FINE. What I'm saying is that you can have fun, but say that it's headcannon in the open, like i believe, that RoboCop, Terminator and the Buffyverse are set in the AVP Universe but ik it's not canon infact i explicity stated that it is my Headcannon in that thread.

I never said it's the ONLY possible explanation. Just one that MAKES SENSE in the world of super top secret spy organizations where the bad guys use clones (doubles) and want to rule the world and where Voodoo is real and where lasers are real. You need to calm down dude.
which makes more probable the de-aging serum by your own words you resolved yourself your own aging problem, Wondefull!
 
No, actually it doesn't. The line either is to be taken literally OR Lazenby is like Deadpool and can break the 4th wall, is aware he's in a movie and then the entire franchise falls apart into self-parody.
yeah, cos people who traps people into a table to be cut by a laser is to be taken seriously....

Or surfing on a tsunami to escape a giant laser
 
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Forgive me if I'm misremembering, but aren't you the guy who thinks Bond could be a super soldier using some serum to not age? Or he's a timelord or some "weird sci-fi shit"?
Yes, you are misremembering. Probably you are cofusing me with someon else. I haven't really argued with anyone in this thread for the moment. The only things I have said are:
-"So, you are going with the multiple Bonds idea?" in page 1
-"It would actually be very cool if Earth-66 would be the Spyverse" in page 2
-"Ugh, I have hidden the Watchmen and V for Vendetta threads to not heard of Alan Moore and now he comes out here, great..." and "There is some video game universe out there" in page 3.
-And the comment you are quoting.
 
Why can't their be two universes where one where the code name theory is true and another universe where James Bond is one person exist at the same time?
What would be the point in that? Anyway, I think something like that happens in the non-canonical Casino Royale film from 1967.
 
Here's all of the known Bond universes so far

League of Extraordinary Gentlemen Universe
Sean Connery-Pierce Brosnan Movie Universe
Daniel Craig Movie Universe
Novel Universe
Dynamite Comics Universe
Earth 66?
Never Say Never Again
Casino Royale 1967
Based for including the Return of the Man from U.N.C.L.E.: The Fifteen Years Later Affair cameo in that list, lol.
 
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Forgive me if I'm misremembering, but aren't you the guy who thinks Bond could be a super soldier using some serum to not age? Or he's a timelord or some "weird sci-fi shit"?
No, I purposed that idea, but I never said I believed it or that it's canon. In fact, I outright said that it wasn't canon. He's not a timelord either haha, it's a recast. Something quite common in fiction actually. If anyone said he's a timelord, they were joking. I personally don't think you even need to assume he's got anything special going on. Here's an old quote from timeline discussion by me:

As for Bond's age, this is speculative, but if we apply Bond's age from the Moonraker novel (37) to the film timeline, we can apply that to every other film. It's not canon, but it's certainly interesting how well it plays out. The Bond films simply occur from his 20s all the way to his early 60s. It's not unbelievable in the realm of fiction. We can just apply this to the other characters in the series, like Monnypenny, Leiter, maybe Q and M, whatever seems the most reasonable compared to Bond's age.

1962 - Dr. No (Age 21)
1963 - From Russia with Love (Age 22)
1964 - Goldfinger (Age 23)
1965 - Thunderbolt (Age 24)
1966 - You Only Live Twice (Age 25)
1969 - On Her Majesty's Secret Service (Age 28)
1971 - Diamonds Are Forever (Age 30)
1973 - Live and Let Die (Age 32)
1974 - The Man with the Golden Gun (Age 33)
1977 - The Spy Who Loved Me (Age 36)
1978 - Moonraker (Age 37)
1980 - For Your Eyes Only (Age 39)
1982 - Octopussy (Prologue) (Age 41)
1983 - Octopussy (Age 42)
1985 - A View to a Kill (Age 44)
1987 - GoldenEye (Prologue) (Age 46)
1987 - The Living Daylights (Age 46)
1989 - Licence to Kill (Age 48)
1996 - GoldenEye (Age 55)
1997 - Tomorrow Never Dies (Age 56)
1999 - The World Is Not Enough (Age 58)
2001 - Die Another Day (Prologue) (Age 60)
2002 - Die Another Day (Age 61)
 
In fact, let me add the rest of my comment. It was actually on the Batman (1966-1968) timeline thread, I apologise.

Anyway:
Let me prove that it's the same guy from 1962 to 2002.

Firstly, the dates in the films do place them definitely in their release years. Don't worry, that has a solution that doesn't involve super serums or anything, lol.

James Bond (George Lazenby) meets Blofeld for "the first time" after meeting him in the previous film (played by Sean Connery). This is because On Her Majesty's Secret Service was their first meeting in book canon. Bond was wearing a Japanese disguise in the previous film, so I guess Blofeld didn't recognise him (?).

In On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969), James Bond marries Tracy in 1969, where she is killed in a drive-by shortly afterwards.

In For Your Eyes Only (1981), Bond (Roger Moore) takes flowers to Tracy's grave (George Lazenby's wife). The gravestone states that died in 1969. In the script and comic adaptation, it states that Bond and "Blofeld" last met 10 years ago, which matches with Diamonds are Forever (1971), starring Sean Connery. There's other connections between these three Bonds but this definitely places them in a single timeline.

In License to Kill (1989), it's mentioned that Bond (Timothy Dalton) married once, and it's a sore subject, tying in continuity from previous Bonds.

In The World Is Not Enough (1999), Bond (Pierce Brosnan) avoids the question of if he ever lost someone he loved, once again bringing Tracy up as a continuity nod. Further, Bond's family motto mentioned in On Her Majesty's Secret Service (1969), "the world is not enough", is referenced, although that was taken from Sir Thomas Bond, a real person.

In Die Another Day (2002), we get a scene with various gadgets and references to previous Bond films, suggesting that they are all part of the same history as that film.

Additionally, certain characters are recast even within a single Bond's series, or they stay the same actor even between Bonds. To say that a different Bond is a new continuity would essentially make most of Sean Connery's films different universes too, if we assume that a recast means a different reality. We know that's not the case though, so logically every film is a shared timeline until the explicit continuity reboot.
 
Another one using comic books for fun.

If you're including Origin, then Bond is quite a bit older than 21 in 1962.

1945 - James Bond: Origin #1-12
1953 - James Bond: Casino Royale
1962 - Dr. No
1963 - From Russia with Love
1964 - Goldfinger
1965 - Thunderball
1966 - You Only Live Twice
1969 - On Her Majesty's Secret Service
1971 - Diamonds Are Forever
1973 - Live and Let Die
1974 - The Man with the Golden Gun
1977 - The Spy Who Loved Me
1978 - Moonraker
1981 - For Your Eyes Only
1983 - Octopussy
1985 - A View to a Kill
1987 - The Living Daylights
1989 - Licence to Kill
1989 - James Bond 007: Permission to Die #1-3
1992 - James Bond 007: Serpent's Tooth #1-3
1993 - James Bond 007: A Silent Armageddon #1-2
1993 - Dark Horse Comics #8-11, "James Bond 007: Light of My Death Part 1-4"
1993 - James Bond 007: The Duel
1994 - James Bond 007: Shattered Helix #1-2
1994 - Dark Horse Comics #25, "James Bond 007: Minute of Midnight"
1995 - James Bond 007: The Quasimodo Gambit #1-3
1996 - GoldenEye
1997 - 007: Tomorrow Never Dies
1999 - 007: The World Is Not Enough
2001 - 007: Agent Under Fire
2002 - 007: Die Another Day
2003 - 007: Nightfire
2004 - 007: Everything or Nothing
 
Another one using comic books for fun.

If you're including Origin, then Bond is quite a bit older than 21 in 1962.

1945 - James Bond: Origin #1-12
1953 - James Bond: Casino Royale
1962 - Dr. No
1963 - From Russia with Love
1964 - Goldfinger
1965 - Thunderball
1966 - You Only Live Twice
1969 - On Her Majesty's Secret Service
1971 - Diamonds Are Forever
1973 - Live and Let Die
1974 - The Man with the Golden Gun
1977 - The Spy Who Loved Me
1978 - Moonraker
1981 - For Your Eyes Only
1983 - Octopussy
1985 - A View to a Kill
1987 - The Living Daylights
1989 - Licence to Kill
1989 - James Bond 007: Permission to Die #1-3
1992 - James Bond 007: Serpent's Tooth #1-3
1993 - James Bond 007: A Silent Armageddon #1-2
1993 - Dark Horse Comics #8-11, "James Bond 007: Light of My Death Part 1-4"
1993 - James Bond 007: The Duel
1994 - James Bond 007: Shattered Helix #1-2
1994 - Dark Horse Comics #25, "James Bond 007: Minute of Midnight"
1995 - James Bond 007: The Quasimodo Gambit #1-3
1996 - GoldenEye
1997 - 007: Tomorrow Never Dies
1999 - 007: The World Is Not Enough
2001 - 007: Agent Under Fire
2002 - 007: Die Another Day
2003 - 007: Nightfire
2004 - 007: Everything or Nothing
What about the Daniel Craig movies?
 
What about the Daniel Craig movies?
movies happens in release date (there is a 2 years time jump between Vesper's death and the last scene of Casino Royale), games happens in release date. (Also to note that legends could potentially be non-canon). Craig's Bond doesn't have canon comics or books.
 
Another one using comic books for fun.

If you're including Origin, then Bond is quite a bit older than 21 in 1962.

1945 - James Bond: Origin #1-12
1953 - James Bond: Casino Royale
1962 - Dr. No
1963 - From Russia with Love
1964 - Goldfinger
1965 - Thunderball
1966 - You Only Live Twice
1969 - On Her Majesty's Secret Service
1971 - Diamonds Are Forever
1973 - Live and Let Die
1974 - The Man with the Golden Gun
1977 - The Spy Who Loved Me
1978 - Moonraker
1981 - For Your Eyes Only
1983 - Octopussy
1985 - A View to a Kill
1987 - The Living Daylights
1989 - Licence to Kill
1989 - James Bond 007: Permission to Die #1-3
1992 - James Bond 007: Serpent's Tooth #1-3
1993 - James Bond 007: A Silent Armageddon #1-2
1993 - Dark Horse Comics #8-11, "James Bond 007: Light of My Death Part 1-4"
1993 - James Bond 007: The Duel
1994 - James Bond 007: Shattered Helix #1-2
1994 - Dark Horse Comics #25, "James Bond 007: Minute of Midnight"
1995 - James Bond 007: The Quasimodo Gambit #1-3
1996 - GoldenEye
1997 - 007: Tomorrow Never Dies
1999 - 007: The World Is Not Enough
2001 - 007: Agent Under Fire
2002 - 007: Die Another Day
2003 - 007: Nightfire
2004 - 007: Everything or Nothing
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Also what about the Rogue Agent Game?
 
Well, whatever... we all know Alfred brainwashed all of Gotham into believing Val Kilmer, and later George Clooney, are Bruce Wayne. That's just the most logical explanation. I mean, they look nothing like Michael Keaton or one another! :p
 
I'm a little late to this, but after catching up...
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How the hell did this thread go from a simple James Bond timeline to y'all arguing about whether or not bro is multiple people/a codename? Seriously guys/gals...
It was never my intention for this to happen, but some people really like to argue. It's exhausting, but since I started this thread, I feel obligated to reply to everyone.
 
Well, whatever... we all know Alfred brainwashed all of Gotham into believing Val Kilmer, and later George Clooney, are Bruce Wayne. That's just the most logical explanation. I mean, they look nothing like Michael Keaton or one another! :p
Nice, still bringing in other franchises to make your point. Ever hear of "whataboutisms"?

Regardless, what would be the problem with someone wanting to believe this about Batman? It's all fiction you know.
 

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