The Miyagi-verse (Karate Kid/Cobra Kai) Timeline

JudgeDreddpool said:
Lemme get back to you on that. I may know of some... black magic sources to help you. ;)
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Dude...you rule...I will knock these out ASAP. I wish there was a way to pull them off that site. None of my "magic tools" can detect the video file so I can't get them off the site. :( But, hey! They're there!
 
There's a 4 issue tie-in comic called Cobra Kai: The Karate Kid Saga Continues that's set during the first film and told from Johnny's perspective. Fits into canon perfectly fine.

Present day story is November 2018. Not sure how that fits with the show, but probably fine. If not, you can always just ignore the date and place it where it's intended to fit in the story.
 
Pro Bot said:
There's a 4 issue tie-in comic called Cobra Kai: The Karate Kid Saga Continues that's set during the first film and told from Johnny's perspective. Fits into canon perfectly fine.

Present day story is November 2018. Not sure how that fits with the show, but probably fine. If not, you can always just ignore the date and place it where it's intended to fit in the story.
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Thanks! I will look for that...
 
Pro Bot said:
There's a 4 issue tie-in comic called Cobra Kai: The Karate Kid Saga Continues that's set during the first film and told from Johnny's perspective. Fits into canon perfectly fine.

Present day story is November 2018. Not sure how that fits with the show, but probably fine. If not, you can always just ignore the date and place it where it's intended to fit in the story.
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According to those on social media, these books aren't canon and present an "alternate" view of CK and Johnny. It might be worth including at the end of the timeline as an "alternate history".
 
tabascoman77 said:
According to those on social media, these books aren't canon and present an "alternate" view of CK and Johnny. It might be worth including at the end of the timeline as an "alternate history".
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I've been told that's a load of BS from the wiki with no source at all. The video games with a similar name are that, yes. The comic is not.
 
Now that you mention it though, maybe the video games would be good as an alternate timeline near the end.
 
Pro Bot said:
Now that you mention it though, maybe the video games would be good as an alternate timeline near the end.
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Read the comic. This is so canon to everything. It's funny because they include one of the original KK deleted scenes where Johnny gives Daniel the permission slip for the tournament. I can't see why people are saying this isn't canon. It very much is.
 
I'm glad to hear that. As for why, well, fandom wikis seem to do that a lot.

The Evil Dead wiki doesn't consider the fourth or fifth films canon despite confirmation from Sam Raimi, Bruce Cambell, Lee Cronin and Fede Álvarez that they take place in the same universe. They confirmed that the different books are the trap copies from Army of Darkness.

The Exorcist wiki claims that only the first and third films are canon, Dominion and the TV series is semi-canon (which is certainly the least canon instalment after Believer even though I'm still covering it), and II, The Beginning, and Legion VR (despite being about different characters and not adapting Legion) are non-canon. Now, the continuity of that franchise is weird, but Green confirmed that The Exorcist: Believer wasn't erasing any of the other films canon-wize. The third film literally avoids showing the original house so that it doesn't contradict the second film.

I'm sure there's other examples.

If there's no source, it's likely just someone making it up and rationalising it. "It's a comic book, therefore non-canon" energy.
 
Pro Bot said:
I'm glad to hear that. As for why, well, fandom wikis seem to do that a lot.

The Evil Dead wiki doesn't consider the fourth or fifth films canon despite confirmation from Sam Raimi, Bruce Cambell, Lee Cronin and Fede Álvarez that they take place in the same universe. They confirmed that the different books are the trap copies from Army of Darkness.

The Exorcist wiki claims that only the first and third films are canon, Dominion and the TV series is semi-canon (which is certainly the least canon instalment after Believer even though I'm still covering it), and II, The Beginning, and Legion VR (despite being about different characters and not adapting Legion) are non-canon. Now, the continuity of that franchise is weird, but Green confirmed that The Exorcist: Believer wasn't erasing any of the other films canon-wize. The third film literally avoids showing the original house so that it doesn't contradict the second film.

I'm sure there's other examples.

If there's no source, it's likely just someone making it up and rationalising it. "It's a comic book, therefore non-canon" energy.
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I've run into that with Stranger Things. The story about the school bully feels non-canon because it runs contrary to what happened on the show. I can see why some people would say it. My rule is always "comics are canon if they don't contradict the main material".

Though I am running into a helluva problem with Dexter. The entire series, by itself, has a good timeline...then it gets to New Blood and the timeline cannot be possible because his son shouldn't be that old. Then we get the new series and it almost completely resets the canon to the point where I am seriously considering having two different timelines: the original Dex and "Dexter's Truth" which is Original Sin.
 
tabascoman77 said:
I've run into that with Stranger Things. The story about the school bully feels non-canon because it runs contrary to what happened on the show. I can see why some people would say it. My rule is always "comics are canon if they don't contradict the main material".
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No matter how weird or out-of-character tie-in material might be, I would generally always accept it unless it's outright contradictory to the events depicted. For example, the Stranger Things x Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles crossover is naturally very weird and has the odd implication of mutated turtles, but it's still written to fit into the Stranger Things timeline and contains no contradictions. On the other hand, there's the X-Men movie prequel comics. Completely irreconcilable even with just the 2000 film, let alone First Class.

tabascoman77 said:
Though I am running into a helluva problem with Dexter. The entire series, by itself, has a good timeline...then it gets to New Blood and the timeline cannot be possible because his son shouldn't be that old. Then we get the new series and it almost completely resets the canon to the point where I am seriously considering having two different timelines: the original Dex and "Dexter's Truth" which is Original Sin.
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I get that. Maybe it'll clear itself up down the line like that Supernatural sequel series that everyone thought was either a prequel or a reboot. My take, as long as you've got both covered, you can fold them in down the line if it is necessary. I'd have to think there's a reason for the contradictions though.
 
Pro Bot said:
I get that. Maybe it'll clear itself up down the line like that Supernatural sequel series that everyone thought was either a prequel or a reboot. My take, as long as you've got both covered, you can fold them in down the line if it is necessary. I'd have to think there's a reason for the contradictions though.
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In fact, I think the prequel show sounds like it actually takes place in Dexter's head after the final scene of New Blood. Maybe a separate timeline for Dexter's memory of the past apart from the present day framing device. I don't know, not a Dexter expert.
 
Pro Bot said:
In fact, I think the prequel show sounds like it actually takes place in Dexter's head after the final scene of New Blood. Maybe a separate timeline for Dexter's memory of the past apart from the present day framing device. I don't know, not a Dexter expert.
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No, I said the same. Dex thinks he's on his death bed and he's just unleashing the truth. It's odd because he graduated high school in '91 and his 20 year high school reunion is 2011...but in Original Sin, he graduates college in 1991, which is just odd. That, and it runs contrary to his birthday which is 1972 in both the original Dex and the prequel. So he was 19 when he got a college diploma? It makes little sense to me.
 
Just working on adding the final eps of Cobra Kai...I will also add the comic...but I am torn on the animated series. On the one hand, the Miyagi Shrine from the show is in CK...but the producers of CK basically said that is just a homage and that the animated series isn't canon.
 
tabascoman77 said:
Just working on adding the final eps of Cobra Kai...I will also add the comic...but I am torn on the animated series. On the one hand, the Miyagi Shrine from the show is in CK...but the producers of CK basically said that is just a homage and that the animated series isn't canon.
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They also said The Karate Kid 2010 isn't canon.
And see how wrong they were lol. They included the shrine, they didn't have to, and the series fits the world eitherway. It'd be odd that this one specific series that has no contradiction wouldn't be canon.
 
Maciej Jankowski said:
They also said The Karate Kid 2010 isn't canon.
And see how wrong they were lol. They included the shrine, they didn't have to, and the series fits the world eitherway. It'd be odd that this one specific series that has no contradiction wouldn't be canon.
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Right...it wasn't canon until Legends officially connected them. That's far different than the animated series.
 
tabascoman77 said:
Right...it wasn't canon until Legends officially connected them. That's far different than the animated series.
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Yesn't.
The CK showrunners stated that the 2010 film is not canon and that only refrence they'd make would be for it to be an in-universe film 'cause Jackie Chan is an actor, who got in-universe recognition. Forgot in which season they mentioned him.

the series, was stated non-canon, without elaboration. the shrine, instead of working in favor of that statement works against it. There is not a single thing in that series that contradicts anything in the films nor in CK. And the fact they have the shrine... like they could throw it on a poster or anything but no instead it's the actual shrine from the animated series put in a place that makes sense after what happened in the animated series.
 
Maciej Jankowski said:
Yesn't.
The CK showrunners stated that the 2010 film is not canon and that only refrence they'd make would be for it to be an in-universe film 'cause Jackie Chan is an actor, who got in-universe recognition. Forgot in which season they mentioned him.

the series, was stated non-canon, without elaboration. the shrine, instead of working in favor of that statement works against it. There is not a single thing in that series that contradicts anything in the films nor in CK. And the fact they have the shrine... like they could throw it on a poster or anything but no instead it's the actual shrine from the animated series put in a place that makes sense after what happened in the animated series.
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I'm not quite sure what you are saying here. Legends officially connects 2010's reboot film to the universe. The shrine does connect TAS with the overall universe but not officially and the writers and producers of CK already said that. You can include the shrine but invent a different story surrounding it.
 
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